Even Josh Allen agrees we need a dome... :P

[Warcodered]

Snow games and having the weather on your side are cool but this aerial bombardment is pretty fun to watch.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

Let’s cross that bridge when we come to it

 

This.

 

Also, I look at GB with its strong-armed QB and they play outdoors and I think it is an advantage, playing at Arrowhead does not seem to impede Mahomes putting up gaudy numbers...often when warm weather dome QBs and teams play in the elements they struggle so there is some home field advantages.

 

The only benefit is you can trick out a dome and host other events even in bad weather, a city is also able to try to host a Superbowl if you erect a dome that is attractive enough for such an event.

 

Obviously, there is a lot more to this and it starts going down the road of balancing investors with public investment, logistics, and how such an endeavor fits in an overall strategy of attracting businesses, favorable taxation policies, and revitalization efforts and those belong on another board.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, WideNine said:

 

This.

 

Also, I look at GB with its strong-armed QB and they play outdoors and I think it is an advantage, playing at Arrowhead does not seem to impede Mahomes putting up gaudy numbers...often when warm weather dome QBs and teams play in the elements they struggle so there is some home field advantages.

 

The only benefit is you can trick out a dome and host other events even in bad weather, a city is also able to try to host a Superbowl if you erect a dome that is attractive enough for such an event.

 

Obviously, there is a lot more to this and it starts going down the road of balancing investors with public investment, logistics, and how such an endeavor fits in an overall strategy of attracting businesses, favorable taxation policies, and revitalization efforts and those belong on another board.

I think we might be worrying about this a bit too much because we had some bad weather games at the same time Josh was recovering from his shoulder injury.

[Inigo Montoya]

 

13 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

This.

 

Also, I look at GB with its strong-armed QB and they play outdoors and I think it is an advantage, playing at Arrowhead does not seem to impede Mahomes putting up gaudy numbers...often when warm weather dome QBs and teams play in the elements they struggle so there is some home field advantages.

 

The only benefit is you can trick out a dome and host other events even in bad weather, a city is also able to try to host a Superbowl if you erect a dome that is attractive enough for such an event.

 

Obviously, there is a lot more to this and it starts going down the road of balancing investors with public investment, logistics, and how such an endeavor fits in an overall strategy of attracting businesses, favorable taxation policies, and revitalization efforts and those belong on another board.

 

It's not just the cold, it's the 25 mph winds swirling around the stadium from a different direction every five minutes that makes throwing the ball difficult. Lambeau and Arrowhead don't have Lake Erie 10 miles away.  Bad weather games favor the defense and mitigate a strong offense.  For years with the Bills identity being defense it played to our strength.  Now that we have an elite offense these late season cold weather games will work against us.  I don't want to play Tennessee in Buffalo when its 20 degrees outside with 20+ mph winds a month from now. 

 

Edited December 8, 2020 by Inigo Montoya

[WideNine]

3 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

It's not just the cold, it's the 25 mph winds swirling around the stadium from a different direction every five minutes that makes throwing the ball difficult.  Bad weather games favor the defense and mitigate a strong offense.  For years with the Bills identity being defense it played to our strength.  Now that we have an elite offense these late season cold weather games will work against us.  I don't want to play Tennessee in Buffalo when its 20 degrees outside with 20+ mph winds a month from now.  

 

I don't want us to play against Henry period.

 

Man - it is like watching a tank that can blow by a Lamborghini

[gjv001]

Why not put a fabric Dome over the current stadium?

[Jim Steele]

Not  a Tom Brady fan but look what he did in New England for years in the cold and snowy games.  Teams with guts are the ones that prevail.

[Joe Ferguson]

But some dumb, hillbilly old folks would say, "Derr, why would we want a dome?...derrr. We need the cold rain and snow, would be bad for Bills opponents...derr!".

[Mr. WEO]

If Pegula wants a dome, he will have to buy one.  No chance NYS will be kicking in going forward.  

[Bangarang]

I’m 100% in favor of a dome. We finally have a QB that can sling the ball anywhere he wants and put up massive numbers. I want him in ideal playing conditions. 
 

Not a fan of limiting our passing attack because people think playing wind and snow gives us a competitive advantage. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

It's a shame that Allen will probably be in somewhere around year 10 by the time a dome is finally live.

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 I don't want to play Tennessee in Buffalo when its 20 degrees outside with 20+ mph winds a month from now. 

 

 

So Bills should win the division and then make up a reason why they cannot play there and then suggest Detroit since they have played there before and found is from Detroit?

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

Why not put a fabric Dome over the current stadium?

 

A architect friend of mine who unfortunately died from brain cancer had sketches he made per request of possible redesign of the Ralph.  It had slanted dome over it with hole in center and it was designed so that snow would flow along the roof to the ground. Seats were all covered but field was not.  It reminded me of  Bundt cake. It is a very different design from Cowboys stadium despite having an eye.

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

If the pegulas want a new stadium it could come quick, one of the biggest issues in building a stadium or arena is % of public money invested

 

Needless to say in todays landscape there will be no to very little public money available

 

With little public investment its all private funds and theoretically less hoops to jump through

[LABILLBACKER]

New stadium talks with a dome can't start soon enough. It's windy in Buffalo 365.

[SirAndrew]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 

It's not just the cold, it's the 25 mph winds swirling around the stadium from a different direction every five minutes that makes throwing the ball difficult. Lambeau and Arrowhead don't have Lake Erie 10 miles away.  Bad weather games favor the defense and mitigate a strong offense.  For years with the Bills identity being defense it played to our strength.  Now that we have an elite offense these late season cold weather games will work against us.  I don't want to play Tennessee in Buffalo when its 20 degrees outside with 20+ mph winds a month from now. 

 

Exactly, I think I’ve read we have the highest average wind speed of any NFL stadium. That doesn’t even take into account the fact the stadium is below ground level, and the winds swirl in very mysterious ways. Our stadium deals with winds that no QB could possible throw in at times. Josh has yet to play a great game in those type of conditions as well. Everyone knows he has a strong arm, but there are times that isn’t even enough. 

[PromoTheRobot]

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

Maybe we can build one in Lancaster? 

 

Or Batavia. Start buying land.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

Why not put a fabric Dome over the current stadium?

 

Because the area that you have to cover is massive. Notice that most domes have small footprints with multiple levels. Bills Stadium is a shallow bowl with one shallow deck. Then take account of the winds off the lake! 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

He will be able to buy one after he signs his next contract. 

[HOUSE]

If Josh says we need one then I guess the discussion is over

[PromoTheRobot]

I'm fairly certain a downtown dome was to be announced this year but Covid ruined everything. The lost revenue set back the whole process. Expect the Bills to stay put in OP another 5-10 years.

1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

It's a shame that Allen will probably be in somewhere around year 10 by the time a dome is finally live.

 

If they are going to play without fans, why not hold games in the fieldhouse?

[Buffalo Boy]

3 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

Haha.  No kidding.  I'm a former John A. Sciole award winner...lol.

Mr. Sciole,

    I was in his office a couple times.... hence the Catholic school😂

[Warcodered]

16 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

If they are going to play without fans, why not hold games in the fieldhouse?

Needs to be able to be set up for the broadcast.

[GymShorts84]

I’m for a retractable roof. Open all fall, closed during snow pre-game then opened up for the game, and closed during pouring rain. Keep the grass real too. 

[Playoffs?]

4 hours ago, Success said:

The way this team is designed, actually getting playoff games in Buffalo in the worst months of winter could be a BIG negative.  We aren't built to run, and as strong as Josh's arm is, it would still put us at a big disadvantage if there was bad weather.

 

I'm all in on the dome.  We should hopefully be hosting a lot of playoff games in the years ahead.

 

I’m good with a dome.. as long as it’s retractable!  Close it for rain and wind.. open it for snow!!!

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Needs to be able to be set up for the broadcast.

there are plenty of electrical outlets in the fieldhouse!

[RyanC883]

we should play at the carrier dome if bad weather is in the forecast in playoffs!

[Warcodered]

Isaiah McKenzie was also in favor on the Buffalo Fanatics interview.

[The Frankish Reich]

7 hours ago, NewEra said:

He really does look like a different Qb playing in a dome or ideal conditions.  While his arm is suited for the cold weather, maybe he isn’t.  Poor conditions 💯 have a negative effect on our bread and butter, the passing game.  Wether or not it should, because he has a strong arm to cut through the wind, is irrelevant.  Having our passing offense perform at its high lest level gives us our best chance to win.  

I've been saying that for a while. Because he played at Wyoming -- trust me, it is always windy in Laramie -- and because he's got that big arm, people just assumed he was the perfect fit for "Buffalo weather." But they conveniently forget that he actually wasn't, umm, that good at Wyoming. This was more of a potential play than a proven record of success one.

As for that new dome: I hear that Dunkirk Don is buying up some land east of Buffalo.

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

I've been saying that for a while. Because he played at Wyoming -- trust me, it is always windy in Laramie -- and because he's got that big arm, people just assumed he was the perfect fit for "Buffalo weather." But they conveniently forget that he actually wasn't, umm, that good at Wyoming. This was more of a potential play than a proven record of success one.

As for that new dome: I hear that Dunkirk Don is buying up some land east of Buffalo.

 

One of the games Beane talked about with drafting Allen was a crappy weather snow game against rival CSU where Allen willed us to victory.

[Big Blitz]

Well.  I would like a dome yesterday.  I've been saying this since Allen's rookie year. 

 

But until then we got to find a way to instill the "if it's too tough (the weather) for them, its just right for us" mentality.

[The Frankish Reich]

8 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

One of the games Beane talked about with drafting Allen was a crappy weather snow game against rival CSU where Allen willed us to victory.

I had forgotten about that one. Thanks for pointing it out.

https://gowyo.com/news/2017/11/4/football-allen-and-company-keep-bronze-boot-in-laramie-with-16-13-win-over-csu.aspx

I didn't watch it as it was happening, but it looks like Allen put together a strong game winning drive. He may have willed them to win, but as I read the description, it looks like he completed one pass and did the rest on the ground with the help of his RB.

Then again, Nathan Peterman was pretty good in that one snow game too.

General point remains, however: Allen has looked great in dome/perfect weather games, and I'm sure he loves the idea of playing every game in that environment.

Edited December 9, 2020 by The Frankish Reich

[Jay_Fixit]

9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I agree.

So do I.

[gjv001]

12 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Because the area that you have to cover is massive. Notice that most domes have small footprints with multiple levels. Bills Stadium is a shallow bowl with one shallow deck. Then take account of the winds off the lake! 

The Carrier Dome was designed with 1970 fabric dome technology. It certainly is not a small footprint. In addition, I would think there has been advancements in fabric dome technology since then. 

[Royale with Cheese]

9 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

So do I.

 

How often do I make your day better?

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, gjv001 said:

The Carrier Dome was designed with 1970 fabric dome technology. It certainly is not a small footprint. In addition, I would think there has been advancements in fabric dome technology since then. 

 

But it has a rim. Bills stadium does not. You'd have to build one before you could put a roof on. Fabric domes are out of use now anyway. What we want is US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. Fixed roof but mostly glass. Lots of natural light, plus the walls open to allow fresh air to flow in. That is a nice stadium.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sports/football/4075180-vikings-fans-can-enjoy-outdoor-feel-us-bank-stadium

Edited December 9, 2020 by PromoTheRobot

[gjv001]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

But it has a rim. Bills stadium does not. You'd have to build one before you could put a roof on. Fabric domes are out of use now anyway. What we want is US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis. Fixed roof but mostly glass. Lots of natural light, plus the walls open to allow fresh air to flow in. That is a nice stadium.

https://www.duluthnewstribune.com/sports/football/4075180-vikings-fans-can-enjoy-outdoor-feel-us-bank-stadium

Yes it would be great to get a stadium like what they have in Minneapolis. However, WNY doesn't have the financial strength of a Minneapolis. Modifying the current stadium and installing a fabric dome is a more feasible solution for a dome stadium in WNY.

[LabattBlue]

16 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

I'm fairly certain a downtown dome was to be announced this year but Covid ruined everything. The lost revenue set back the whole process. Expect the Bills to stay put in OP another 5-10 years.

 

If they are going to play without fans, why not hold games in the fieldhouse?

While there is no way a stadium will be decided on, built, and ready to go in the next 3-4 years, I could definitely see it happening in the 5-7 year range....and IMO it will be a fixed roof dome downtown. 

Edited December 9, 2020 by Back the Blue

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

A dome make sense too if they want to use it for more than just football. As a multiuse stadium makes sense if plan on putting it downtown or at the waterfront. 

 

Could add another hotel.  Get a NCAA bowl game maybe, try for the final 4, big 4 wrestling show.  Maybe some of the larger touring musical artists like taylor swift, etc. 

 

A super bowl is out of the question unless theres massive hotel improvements.  For that reason alone the budget for a bills stadium has to be drastically lower than minnesota/atlanta/LA/LV.  I'd probably cap it at around 1 billion with cost overruns expected.  Something nice and boring like lucas oil stadium would be my guess. 

[PromoTheRobot]

51 minutes ago, gjv001 said:

Yes it would be great to get a stadium like what they have in Minneapolis. However, WNY doesn't have the financial strength of a Minneapolis. Modifying the current stadium and installing a fabric dome is a more feasible solution for a dome stadium in WNY.

 

I disagree. To put a roof on the current stadium would cost as much if not more, and all you end up with is an old stadium with a tent over it. Either stick with what you have or build new. There's no shortcut.