Sherlock Holmes Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Simon said: Instead of relaxing with a bowl of chili and watching the 4:00 games, I'm now going to take a chunk of my Sunday evening and clean up a bunch of trash from this thread. The 3-4 knuckleheads that are responsible for me having to do that because of the off-topic nonsense they've littered all over this thread should knock it off. I've already asked twice. I will not ask again. I'll hold your chili while you deal with the knuckleheads...sorry about the oyster cracker crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Josh was fine. Not fantastic; fine. He made two outstanding plays for TDs that got wiped out by sloppy WR plays, but thems the breaks. He isn’t at all the problem. and a BS penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JY422 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, rayray808 said: WEEK ONE: B+ WEEK TWO: A+ WEEK THREE: B+ WEEK FOUR: A- WEEK FIVE: B- WEEK SIX: D WEEK SEVEN: D+ 30/43 - 70% completion - 307 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 61 yards rushing - 1 fumble This is just a spoiled, unrealistic grade. funny you post the stats immediately after the grade. if JA or any other QB had posted those numbers any of the previous 5 years in Bill win, this forum would have exploded with appreciation. was he perfect? No... but D+??? ridiculous!! solid B performance. Took what the Jets gave him. Led his team to a much needed win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: and a BS penalty I didn’t see the replay to know if we were lined up properly, but I tend to fault the player in that situation—gotta know the rules and pay attention. But I do acknowledge that such a penalty has absolutely no impact on the play, so yeah, it should’ve been a TD with a little bit of attention to detail. The Beasley play doesn’t quite bother me as much, but if he simply knows where the sideline is that’s a TD too. Both were fantastic plays by the QB. On the Davis play, he hard counts to expose the blitz, changes the protection, hard counts again, adjusts Davis’ route, pump fakes to freeze the safety, and throws a perfect ball. When that’s wiped out by a penalty, he comes right back and hits the perfect throw to Beasley for another TD, but alas he puts himself out of bounds and wipes that out as well. Josh is good. When the rest of the team catches up to him we’ll be AOK. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 D+ = Someone bet the Bills to cover & he lost money. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) It is funny too see people give Allen a C or higher. C means average. A franchise QB needs to put more than 18 points on the board against the worst team in the league. A team that probably won't win a game. 18 points is the fewest a team has scored against this powerhouse of a team. Edited October 25, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) Another D performance due to the fumble. A C without the fumble. Edited October 25, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Beast said: It is funny too see people give Allen a C or higher. C means average. A franchise QB needs to put more than 18 points on the board against the worst teamin the league. A team that probably won't win a game. 18 points is the fewest a team has scored against this powerhouse of a team. Sure, but I'd argue that it's not Allen's fault that Davis wasn't set or Kroft stumbled. Both of those plays were set up by Allen to be touchdowns. The rest of the offense needs to execute in the redzone too. Allen wasn't perfect but he was doing a lot right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, rayray808 said: WEEK SEVEN: D+ 30/43 - 70% completion - 307 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 61 yards rushing - 1 fumble I will address the elephant in the room first - yes, he has a D+ despite throwing for 300 yards. First and foremost that 300 yard thing was mainly a "Bills" stat that we were all obsessed with and frankly in his 3rd year we have to move on from that glorified marker. Josh Allen gets a D+ today because he made way too many mistakes in the red zone and our offense relied on a rookie kicker to SCORE ALL OF OUR POINTS. WTF? D+? what are you smoking? 33 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: D+ = Someone bet the Bills to cover & he lost money. must be that ^ If Bass makes the 2 missed kicks and or Kroft doesn’t trip over his own feet line covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Solid C+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Given the stiffs (I can count probably 12 of them off the top of my head) who've been under center at some time or other since Kelly retired, JA could stand to improve. However, he's not the problem, fumbling aside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: Sure, but I'd argue that it's not Allen's fault that Davis wasn't set or Kroft stumbled. Both of those plays were set up by Allen to be touchdowns. The rest of the offense needs to execute in the redzone too. Allen wasn't perfect but he was doing a lot right. The Bills should have scored over 50 today. They had the ball NINE times inside the Jets 30. That's a 2 point average on those drives regardless of what happened. Just because I give Josh a D+ doesn't mean I think he sucks. He's our guy and I look forward to watching him for many years. However, I expect more him especially against the competition and coming off two games where our offense wasn't very good. Edited October 25, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Solid B+ First the Bills won. Second the Bills drove into FG position on EVERY SINGLE possession. They did not punt. 307 yards passing & 61 yards rushing for a total of 368 yards. That's highly productive. Had one fumble but QB's fumble a lot when the edge rusher blows by his guy and hits the QB as he's looking downfield. The reason Allen didn't get an A from me was that the Bills struggled in the red zone. Some of this was on Allen. But most of it was on bad luck, no power running game and much below average TE play. A running game and good TE play are essential to red zone production. The Jets may suck but they're in our division and Greg Williams knows how to defense Allen. That Allen showed great patience in taking the check down passes was very encouraging. And completing 70% of his passes was a nice rebound from the last 2 weeks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 Got the W it's good enough for me! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFBillsfan Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 The Bills are 5-2 and in first place within their division. Josh is on pace for a 4,000 yard season, 37 TD’s and 9 interceptions with a 68% completion rate. Some of you really need to step off the ledge regarding Josh. D+. I needed a good laugh but the jokes on you. Let’s Go Buffalo! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 For a moment I was confused why there were grades Then I saw the merged title. I wouldn’t give him under a B. he made some good throws into tight coverage and the WR just couldn’t make the play. Josh started off with a very bad competition 56 ish % but to get it back to near 70% says A LOT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Crayola64 said: he moved the ball today with ease. A lot of self-destruction by the offense killed drives, and most were not by Allen. Allen has become such a great player. Week in week out he's pretty much never the problem with the offense. Even on days when the Bills offense and/or team gets handled, he's clear one of the best players on offense and one of the only ones to show up. It's pretty much become the norm. It's refreshing to have a QB who is actually the reason why we are winning rather than the entire team around him carrying more of the load. That said, to be an elite team we will need everyone else to show up consistently as well. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Allen has become such a great player. Week in week out he's pretty much never the problem with the offense. Even on days when the Bills offense and/or team gets handled, he's clear one of the best players on offense and one of the only ones to show up. It's pretty much become the norm. It's refreshing to have a QB who is actually the reason why we are winning rather than the entire team around him carrying more of the load. That said, to be an elite team we will need everyone else to show up consistently as well. Agreed. Josh is no longer the guy holding the offense back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Bruffalo said: Sure, but I'd argue that it's not Allen's fault that Davis wasn't set or Kroft stumbled. Both of those plays were set up by Allen to be touchdowns. The rest of the offense needs to execute in the redzone too. Allen wasn't perfect but he was doing a lot right. He was set. It was a BS call. Edited October 26, 2020 by Patrick_Duffy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 3 hours ago, rayray808 said: The bad: I'm sure I was not alone in receiving text messages from friends that Josh had that "panic" look in his eyes again. It reminds me of when someone studies for a test, shows up in the classroom confident and ready, and then opens the page and realizes that the teacher switched the test questions. He simply refuses at times to take what the defense gives him and always tries for the hero ball play. Wide open receivers underneath only to be forcing it into windows that don't exist. He needs to be better. Dude, I think you are confusing "panic" look with his hero ball mentality. It's actually a great trait for a QB to have as long as they have the arm talent to go along with it. Which Allen does. Just like Favre did. Yes, it does lead to a couple of bad plays now and again. But with all due respect, GTFO with this "panic" look nonsense. There is a reason why Allen has so many GW drives and 4th QC's since coming into the league. He's got ice water in his veins. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 25, 2020 Author Share Posted October 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: They were set. It was a BS call. was this also where the Jets tried twice to jump Offside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: ‘Selfishly kept the ball’ on read option lmfao lol. Josh was the guy who kept the offense moving. I had actually said to myself we need some hero ball 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 WEEK SEVEN: B 30/43 - 70% completion - 307 yards - 0 TD - 0 INT - 61 yards rushing - 1 fumble With all the injuries and the way the defense played for the first 20 minutes or so it was going to come down to Josh. In the second half he responded and became much more patient and as a result his completion percentage went up and he lead us on many long drives. The red zone woes were not on him. He had on TD called back on penalty and another were our TE fell while running for a score. We never punted today. Thankfully the defense played a fabulous 2nd half and help to enable the win. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: was this also where the Jets tried twice to jump Offside? Not sure about that, just saw where Davis even signaled that he was set on that play in an earlier post. Didn't pay attention to see if Jets did. Edited October 26, 2020 by Patrick_Duffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I trust him so much on his reads now. Startled by his development. solid B today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: I can't go any higher than a C+ today. No TD's is a problem. TD wiped out with a penalty and Kroft tripped on a site TD. Beasley (pushes) OOB and didnt re-establish himself Not Joshs fault Edited October 26, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: Excuses... Scoreboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Gene1973 said: Excuses... not excuses Facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Real McNasty said: D+ is absurd. More like B- Can't even take OP seriously with a D+. If Gabe lines up 12 inches closer to the LOS Josh's qbr is over 100. The "scared child" look in the 2nd qtr is concerning but he learned a very important lesson today on how to take what a defense (deep zone C2) gives you. Daboll called a mediocre game in the redzone. I'll also give Josh B-. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 10 hours ago, H2o said: They covered well today in the red zone. Gannon broke it down multiple times. He's also not the one out there throwing the flags or getting penalized. Three of those flags pushed us back in the red zone and one took a TD off the board. two took TDS off. Davis and Beasley, though Beasley’s should have been DPI for pushing him out of bounds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Beast said: The Bills should have scored over 50 today. They had the ball NINE times inside the Jets 30. That's a 2 point average on those drives regardless of what happened. Just because I give Josh a D+ doesn't mean I think he sucks. He's our guy and I look forward to watching him for many years. However, I expect more him especially against the competition and coming off two games where our offense wasn't very good. 9 hours ago, Beast said: It is funny too see people give Allen a C or higher. C means average. A franchise QB needs to put more than 18 points on the board against the worst team in the league. A team that probably won't win a game. 18 points is the fewest a team has scored against this powerhouse of a team. So either Davis lining up wrong or bad flag (didn't see replay so don't know) that wiped a TD off the board is Josh fault? How about the TE that could have walked in for a TD if he didn't stumble over his own feet? How about Beasley going out of bounds? Those are 3 TD's that Josh threw. How about the two missed FG's? How many points is that that isn't Josh fault? Edited October 26, 2020 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 13 hours ago, Real McNasty said: Was a solid day. Don't forget 11 carries for 61 yards at some crucial moments. This game could have been 40-10 if we converted in the redzone. I hope they get that squared away quick. technically the bills were inside the Redzone only 3 of their 9 drives. The other drives stalled between tbe Jets 40 and 20 yard line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Can't even take OP seriously with a D+. If Gabe lines up 12 inches closer to the LOS Josh's qbr is over 100. The "scared child" look in the 2nd qtr is concerning but he learned a very important lesson today on how to take what a defense (deep zone C2) gives you. Daboll called a mediocre game in the redzone. I'll also give Josh B-. Two threads were merged. Can't even take OP seriously Can't even take First GRADE post seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 300 yards passing & 60 rushing..... 300 yards gets you an A+😜 He was good, not great. Unfortunately TD wiped out and some issues in the redzone, though were in Jet's territory all game. A grade of B sounds right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Gene1973 said: No one in the NFL is ever going to except excuses like these "facts". Allen didn't get the job done in the RZ, bottom line. Why should I care what anyone else in the NFL has to say? Most of them don't pay enough attention to make a proper review. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 hours ago, Gene1973 said: Excuses... I doubt you’d have an issue with 350 passing yards and 2 TD’s if Davis is lined up correctly and Kroft doesn’t fall down. It is excuses, but they’re valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 4 hours ago, jlgarsh said: two took TDS off. Davis and Beasley, though Beasley’s should have been DPI for pushing him out of bounds And also the one where Kroft would have been gone down the sideline if he had just kept his balance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Scott7975 said: So either Davis lining up wrong or bad flag (didn't see replay so don't know) that wiped a TD off the board is Josh fault? How about the TE that could have walked in for a TD if he didn't stumble over his own feet? How about Beasley going out of bounds? Those are 3 TD's that Josh threw. How about the two missed FG's? How many points is that that isn't Josh fault? They weren't playing the 2000 Ravens. They were playing the Jets. Maybe the worst team in football for the past decade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Gene1973 said: No one in the NFL is ever going to except excuses like these "facts". Allen didn't get the job done in the RZ, bottom line. Gannon sure doesn't accept it. Went off endlessly on how Josh "has a problem with ball security" on the ball coming out caused by ground impact (down by contact) and says nothing about Darnold's penchant for putting it on the grass and pitching it to the wrong color jerseys, and which he did all 2nd half (actually since USC). He did have an underrated insight as to why Allen's interceptions are relatively low, is the velocity of his throws make them hard to catch for both sides. DB's don't just pluck those like Peterman's soap bubbles. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 24 minutes ago, Beast said: They weren't playing the 2000 Ravens. They were playing the Jets. Maybe the worst team in football for the past decade. And they moved the ball all game. Had miscues in the red zone that's not all on Josh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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