I was WRONG about Josh Allen

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Cool story, bro...but nobody cares...

 

We’re all Bills fans and want what’s best for the team...so, you can go on your phony virtue signaling tour, as you try to rehash the way that most of the fan base felt in years passed...but nobody cares...

 

Why? Because right now, Josh Allen is playing lights out, and in this moment, all of Bills nation is “over the moon” as we ride this wave! 👍

 

The only thing phony is you bro; character assassinating your QB and fellow human stating he hadn't proved anything at any level.  Lastly, you don't speak for the most of the fan base, just a select few!

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

The only thing phony is you bro; character assassinating your QB and fellow human stating he hadn't proved anything at any level.  Lastly, you don't speak for the most of the fan base, just a select few!

Based on your definition, I don’t think you have the proper understanding of what character assassination is...This could be the leading cause for why you’re getting so worked up over nothing.

[IDBillzFan]

12 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

4. Were quickly won over by the person and his story and his Buffalo guy persona. 

 

While it helps that he's having 300- and 400-yard games, I can't tell you how much this side of Allen impresses me. 

 

Not sure if you caught it, but at a recent interview post-Jets game, a reporter asked him something to the effect of "Have you given thought to what your career would be like if you were picked by the NY team," to which Allen replied with a Buddy Christ wink and point, "I AM on a NY team."

 

The dude clearly has embraced the city and fans, which I think is huge for the city.

 

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

While it helps that he's having 300- and 400-yard games, I can't tell you how much this side of Allen impresses me. 

 

Not sure if you caught it, but at a recent interview post-Jets game, a reporter asked him something to the effect of "Have you given thought to what your career would be like if you were picked by the NY team," to which Allen replied with a Buddy Christ wink and point, "I AM on a NY team."

 

The dude clearly has embraced the city and fans, which I think is huge for the city.

 

Ha. I had not seen that, no. Thx. It’s hard to find anything off the field not to love about the guy. That plays a big part. Of course, on the field is what matters and right now he’s got that steamrolling too. 

[thurst44]

14 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOSH ALLEN.  I'll be having that crow now. 

Me too. And I was loud about it, here and beyond. My friend, also a Bills fan, does a radio show in North Carolina and has me on yearly to talk about the draft a few days before it happens. I'm no expert, but it's fun to play one on radio. That archived show features my screaming (we're talking Skip Bayless/Stephen A. level coherence levels of screaming) about how dumb the Bills would be to take Josh Allen. However, after the draft, I slowly read more about Allen and was impressed by what he had overcome and by stories he was considered the leader of the QBs at the combine (which ostensibly is a group of leaders), and decided maybe there's more there and that I would be open-minded. By the Minnesota game, I was convinced that he at least had a chance to be something great. It's been exciting to watch him grow. I wish I could say he was my first choice and I knew, but I definitely was very, very wrong -- and am so glad I was.

[Kirby Jackson]

Superstar: 

Lamar

 

On the verge of stardom:

Allen

 

Jury is out:

Darnold

Baker

Rosen (such a terrible situation I’m not ready to give up)

 

Bad player:

Rudolph

Falk

 

Irrelevant:

Every other QB drafted

Edited September 24, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Based on your definition, I don’t think you have the proper understanding of what character assassination is...This could be the leading cause for why you’re getting so worked up over nothing.

 

I'm not worked up at all; just called out your BS statement.  Maybe you can explain how someone who hasn't proved anything at all at any level is considered to be the first overall pick after his first season at Wyoming in 2016 per Adam Schefter, and eventually taken 7th overall after his 2017 season at Wyoming.  Explain that or retract your statement!

[Captain Hindsight]

I was skeptical and thought Rosen was a safer pick. Went to his first start against the Chargers and Josh threw some deep out on a rope like a 40-50 yard throw and I audibly gasped. From then on, I knew he had a shot to be really special. The Vikings game the next week just showed just how athletic he was and what he was capable of.

 

Its been bumpy at times, but from that one throw, I had a feeling he was going to be great

[RevWarRifleman]

Zerovoltz, we'll serve you a side of Buffalo wings with your crow. They tell me it pairs well.                  Go Bills!

[JaCrispy]

8 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I'm not worked up at all; just called out your BS statement.  Maybe you can explain how someone who hasn't proved anything at all at any level is considered to be the first overall pick after his first season at Wyoming in 2016 per Adam Schefter, and eventually taken 7th overall after his 2017 season at Wyoming.  Explain that or retract your statement!

Just let it out, Aldo...just let it out...I’m right there, by your side, brother...just give it to Jesus...just give it to Jesus (whispering)...

Edited September 24, 2020 by JaCrispy

[ColoradoBills]

I repeatedly said during the 2018 draft that I didn't have a dog in the "who do you want as QB" fight.

Beane was new and it was going to be the biggest pick of his GM life.

When I heard Beane wanted Josh Allen from the start and ended up getting him I said, "OK, I'll back him for 3 years".

 

Josh was so behind the learning/experience curve that he deserved that much of a chance.

 

Josh Allen's rise at QB is wonderful and the credit should be spread to all involved.  Josh, Brandon, Sean, Daboll and all the coaches both in and out

of the organization all deserve a tip-of-the-hat!  His teammates encouraging him along the way too.

 

@Zerovoltz, It seems like destiny that Mahomes and Allen have a great rivalry ahead of them for many reasons!

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Just let it out, Aldo...just let it out...I’m right there, by your side, brother...just give it to Jesus...just give it to Jesus...

 

It's understand you don't have the mental aptitude to rationalize your statement, retract it, or even say it was a poor choice of words.  Says a lot more about you than me.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

14 hours ago, Zerovoltz said:

I joined this board, after the trade that allowed KC to select Patrick Mahomes and have stuck around the last few years to see how things played out.  I hung out here, speculating about all the 2018 QB's, the draft manuvering, and watched you guys all debate and discuss who you wanted the Bills to take. .....when the Bills took Allen.....I came here and put in my 2 cents.  I did NOT think Allen would make it as an NFL QB.  I was on the side of the debate that said, his completion pct is who he is, and who he's going to be.  I didn't think he could improve enough to be much more than an enticiing novelty.  I posted that opinion here numerous times.

 

I am here today to tell you.....to admit....the I was WRONG.  While I've always enjoyed watching Allen play, I'd always thought he'd ultimately be a flash in the pan in the big picture as time wore on.  He's not.  He's legit.  He's taken a big leap each season he's been in the NFL.  It's a credit to him, and especially to your coaching staff for identifying the talent, and the potential, and then actually getting Allen to progress.  I want to thank you all for allowing me to be a part of your community and give my opinion.  I have enjoyed it, and will continue to pop in from time to time.  I'm sure I'll be around when KC plays the Bills...that should be fun.  Anyhow....one more time....

 

I WAS WRONG ABOUT JOSH ALLEN.  I'll be having that crow now. 

 

This here is being a MAN.

 

[Alphadawg7]

Is this where I get to say I told you so to all the wrong Josh meltdowns?  Hehehe

 

I took a lot of crap for constantly telling people Josh Rosen was easily the worst QB among the top 5 or 6 expected to go in the first round.  
 

Not only was I certain and thrilled the pick at 7 was going to be Allen, but I had also started a thread titled “My case for Lamar” who I was also high on and stated we could stay put without trading up and get him too.

 

I’m thrilled I was right about Josh, but wish I was wrong about Lamar so Baltimore wouldn’t be so good haha

Edited September 24, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[JaCrispy]

2 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

It's understand you don't have the mental aptitude to rationalize your statement, retract it, or even say it was a poor choice of words.  Says a lot more about you than me.  

Meh, I like your arts & crafts post better...

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

This here is being a MAN.

 

 

We are waiting your Ed Oliver crow. I expect it will be extra salty.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

We are waiting your Ed Oliver crow. I expect it will be extra salty.

 

You'll keep waiting until he shows me Donald status.

 

In fact, this week would be a PERFECT time to show he's the next Aaron Donald.

 

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You'll keep waiting until he shows me Donald status.

 

In fact, this week would be a PERFECT time to show he's the next Aaron Donald.

 

 

He has to be Aaron Donald before you concede the point?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He has to be Aaron Donald before you concede the point?

 

I was assured he was the next Aaron Donald.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I was assured he was the next Aaron Donald.

 

Even if you were (I'm not sure that is true) surely he doesn't have to be the best defensive player in the entire league before you accept you were wrong? Otherwise maybe the Allen crow eaters should hold their horses if that is the standard....

[Kelly the Dog]

3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I was assured he was the next Aaron Donald.

 

 

Second to the last of the Mohicans is still pretty good. 

[tomur67]

Yes, I was disappointed that they missed out on Baker.  But, I fell in LOVE with him watching him play in that first Minnesota Vikings game.  I think that game won him over with the fans and his teammates as well.

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

You'll keep waiting until he shows me Donald status.

 

In fact, this week would be a PERFECT time to show he's the next Aaron Donald.

 

Anything short of being Aaron Donald? That is criminally unfair to Oliver. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, K-9 said:

Anything short of being Aaron Donald? That is criminally unfair to Oliver. 

 

I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season.

 

It's in the history.

 

But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season.

 

It's in the history.

 

But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle.

 

 

They could have had BOTH.  Your beef should be with Cody Ford, not sure why you're making it so hard on yourself.

[K-9]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season.

 

It's in the history.

 

But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle.

 

I’ll keep waiting on Metcalf until he shows me Randy Moss status.

 

Seriously though, while I still feel Metcalf is limited athletically in what he can do, he is GREAT at what he is asked to do. He’s a weapon out there and it would be fun to see what he could do with Allen chucking the rock to him on go routes. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

People are setting themselves up for disappointment. This thread is a week too early.

[Logic]

41 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I've already SOMEWHAT eaten crow on Ed last season.

 

It's in the history.

 

But, I won't deny mourning when I see Metcalf making huge plays in Seattle.

 

I don't see why "Metcalf over Oliver" is even a discussion. We could have had BOTH.

I will eat crow on my assertion that Ford was the right pick over Metcalf. While I believe that offensive line trumps wide receivers in importance, Ford has not shown himself to be anything better than a replacement level guard, while Metcalf is clearly an ascending star at WR.

So yeah, forget picking Oliver over Metcalf. That was the right move. It's picking FORD over Metcalf that was, in retrospect, no bueno.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

I don't see why "Metcalf over Oliver" is even a discussion. We could have had BOTH.

I will eat crow on my assertion that Ford was the right pick over Metcalf. While I believe that offensive line trumps wide receivers in importance, Ford has not shown himself to be anything better than a replacement level guard, while Metcalf is clearly an ascending star at WR.

So yeah, forget picking Oliver over Metcalf. That was the right move. It's picking FORD over Metcalf that was, in retrospect, no bueno.

Metcalf means no Diggs, who is significantly better at this point. Although we would have an extra #1 instead of Ford. 

[HappyDays]

I was disappointed when Mayfield and Darnold got picked, they were my top 2 that year. I was one of the few on here that liked Lamar Jackson a lot but I knew the Bills weren't going to pick him. At that point I was ready to settle for Rosen even though I thought he was too much of a statue in the pocket to become a top tier QB - you can't be a top QB in the modern NFL without some level of athleticism.

 

But I wanted nothing to do with Allen. His profile of QB has busted so many times I just wasn't comfortable with it. The biggest thing I missed is his athleticism. I gave way too much credence to his scouting reports and they didn't mention his elite strength and scramble ability. That alone would have made me feel better even in light of his flaws.

 

I also didn't like Mahomes or Watson so turns out I'm really really bad at this. I have officially given up trying to have an opinion on QBs before they hit the NFL so you can all be spared my bad takes in the future.

[Coach Tuesday]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

I don't see why "Metcalf over Oliver" is even a discussion. We could have had BOTH.

I will eat crow on my assertion that Ford was the right pick over Metcalf. While I believe that offensive line trumps wide receivers in importance, Ford has not shown himself to be anything better than a replacement level guard, while Metcalf is clearly an ascending star at WR.

So yeah, forget picking Oliver over Metcalf. That was the right move. It's picking FORD over Metcalf that was, in retrospect, no bueno.

Is there an echo in here?

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Is there an echo in here?

Ah yes, just saw your post.

Sorry, didn't read the thread first and should have.

Great minds think alike.

[MJS]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I was disappointed when Mayfield and Darnold got picked, they were my top 2 that year. I was one of the few on here that liked Lamar Jackson a lot but I knew the Bills weren't going to pick him. At that point I was ready to settle for Rosen even though I thought he was too much of a statue in the pocket to become a top tier QB - you can't be a top QB in the modern NFL without some level of athleticism.

 

But I wanted nothing to do with Allen. His profile of QB has busted so many times I just wasn't comfortable with it. The biggest thing I missed is his athleticism. I gave way too much credence to his scouting reports and they didn't mention his elite strength and scramble ability. That alone would have made me feel better even in light of his flaws.

 

I also didn't like Mahomes or Watson so turns out I'm really really bad at this. I have officially given up trying to have an opinion on QBs before they hit the NFL so you can all be spared my bad takes in the future.

I really liked Mahomes, but I was a little concerned with the whole "air raid offense" thing that everyone always talks about. I liked Mayfield, Darnold, and Rosen, but didn't like Allen, but looking back I think I didn't like Allen because all of the draft analysts were so down on him.

 

I also didn't want anything to do with Jackson, for a few reasons. First, I didn't want another running QB. I was sick of Tyrod and wanted a gifted passer. Second, Jackson had a poor pro day, in my opinion, and I also thought he handled the pre draft process really poorly, including having a terrible wonderlic score. I just felt he should have been better prepared for the draft, but maybe he wanted to slide so he could go to a better team. He landed in a perfect spot for him. I still wonder how sustainable his style of play is and whether or not defenses will adjust over time, but so far so good. He does have to prove it in the playoffs, though, which he has failed at twice now.

 

I'm happy with Allen. He convinced me his rookie year after the Vikings game and after that week 17 Dolphins game.

[PrimeTime101]

he passed the eye test early, some see it some dont then they get consumed by stats. Now that Josh is passing the stats test and the eyes merge with the numbers, most have come aboard.

 

I dont blame people for not being on board early because we have gone through one bad qb after another. Us older people were spoiled by a guy named Jim Kelly

Us younger people especially the ones that just watch Bills football dont no the difference quite as much because of past failures.

 

I dont ask people to eat crow,  yet I remind people that a stat means nothing. Believe that one can learn anything. Believe in what you see not in what you hear or read.

 

All welcome aboard the wagon.

This is a special time for this team. Enjoy it.

[Success]

I've never understood the consternation that goes on here on draft day.

 

I feel like everyone looks at the mocks and the "public facing" scouting reports (usually a paragraph) before the draft, and then determines who they think we "should" get based on that.  Maybe they'll check some youtube.

 

Sorry - but unless you live & breathe this stuff, and watch hundreds of hours of film of everyone at a given position, you just have to put faith in the braintrust.  And this particular braintrust has 100% earned that faith at this point.   

 

Usually, when the Bills draft a guy, I'll get to know him by looking up everything I can about him - but I never chime in w/ the "they should have gotten so & so...what are they thinking?"  They know more than we do. They get the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

I’ll keep waiting on Metcalf until he shows me Randy Moss status.

 

Seriously though, while I still feel Metcalf is limited athletically in what he can do, he is GREAT at what he is asked to do. He’s a weapon out there and it would be fun to see what he could do with Allen chucking the rock to him on go routes. 

 

Absolutely the case on Metcalf. He is limited. He is a bit one dimensional. But it is a dimension worth having. I still think AJ Brown was the receiver to draft out of that class. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Alot of us were wrong about Josh Allen. I didn't think he'd have the leadership of Kelly. I was wrong. I didn't think he'd be accurate enough. I was wrong. I didn't trust Daboll enough to develop him. Wrong again. Sean and Brandon were the ones right all along. Glad to be so wrong.  Trust the Process. And in case anyone cares I wanted Darnold followed by Rosen. Wrong & Wrong.

[Victory Formation]

I was right about Allen but I was wrong about Jackson.. hit a few right, missed a few.. I guess the sun occasionally does shine on a dog’s ass for once..

[smuvtalker]

18 hours ago, AirAllenPower said:

I was a baker/ Rosen guy

 

My whole issue with Allen was in the Iowa game I got really put off by him. I thought he was scatter shot, erratic and just not a natural smooth qb... 

 

His progress from the beginning of his rookie year, to the end. The jump he took in year 2, and now a massive leap in year 3 is really amazing... 

 

His leap this year reminds me of the leap jo e burrow took in his jr to Sr year at LSU 

Ditto 100% on several things you said.

 

I was also squarely on the Rosen/Mayfield train, (wanted Rosen 1st, Mayfield 2), and I'll even clarify further in that I actually thought Darnold would be the best of them all, but I just naturally assumed he was going to be the 1st pick and that we couldn't afford the cost to trade up to 1.  So my heart was settled on Rosen or Baker.

 

As soon as I saw that the Bills had pulled off the trade to move up, my heart began fluttering, and I was ready!!  Welcome to Buffalo Josh Rosen!!   When they announced that we had selected the wrong Josh, I literally fell out of my chair, curled up into the fetal position and began rocking back and forth sobbing and screaming...metaphorically.

 

But I did scream at the TV, and began exchanging horrified/disbelief/disgust text messages with all my family up in Buffalo.  I don't think a single one of us BESIDES my Uncle Reggie was happy with the pic. I wrote my own obituary telling everyone I had gotten into a barrel and plunged myself over the Niagara Falls. 

 

BOY was I wrong!  My crow actually tasted pretty good though. 🙂

 

Josh Allen IS the franchise QB we've been waiting for.  And you hit the nail squarely on the head when you compared his leap from year 2 to year 3 to Burrows jump from junior to senior season.  I couldn't agree more.

 

Let's go Buffalo!

Edited September 24, 2020 by smuvtalker

[TheBrownBear]

I thought all of the big name guys were overrated (Mayfield, Darnold, Rudolph and Rosen), but thought Rosen was the best pure passer of the bunch.  Plus, I'm a UCLA alum and saw all his games so I felt comfortable with him.  Still shocked by how he's fallen flat on his face.  I really wanted nothing to do with the other guys, particularly Darnold and Rudolph who completely lack any elite skills.

 

I didn't want Allen since he had mediocre numbers in the Mountain West and just assumed he would be an enormous bust based on the experts opinions.  I knew he had a big arm, but had no clue about his awesome athleticism or leadership skills or personality.

 

I didn't know what to think about Lamar, but would have been on board wth us using our second 1st  rounder on him.