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Very good assessment.  Miami is better than people think and are well coached.  They have a ton of draft picks.

Not sure if you meant official reviews would have been overturned in the past because it was the Bills or how the NFL was implementing the reviews. If you meant they went with the call on the field because there was not indisputable evidence, I agree. That is how the rule and replay should be used. 

 

 

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Just now, BillsRdue said:

Dak was #1. Allen was #2 I have both on my team. Of course started Allen.

 

I looked at my ESPN league, but we do give QB's a little more credit for passing.  I'm not a fan of the run-heavy focus in the default scoring.

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Nice write up as always, Virgil.  Being a Penn State alum, I got to see a lot of Gesicki.  I really wasn't thrilled when Miami drafted him...knowing the damage he could do against a defense.  As to Fitz, he always seems to play his best against the Bills.  I don't think it's a "revenge" thing as much as perhaps Fitz plays loose and has fun playing against his old team.  I knew we'd miss Edmunds and Milano.  I agree with you that Dodson fared pretty well in his first start.

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3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I looked at my ESPN league, but we do give QB's a little more credit for passing.  I'm not a fan of the run-heavy focus in the default scoring.

I think Josh had the best game, and only cost me a few points not to start. Dak had 3 rushing TD's which inflated his #'s.  But when Allen throws for 400, that's a huge reason to celebrate. 

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As always @Virgilgreat write up.  Yes, the D struggled. I want to see the Bills explore other options for backup LBers. Made a huge difference in the game having both of them inactive today. Finally, we saw the Fitz we liked when he was here today. Not the one that made us cringe. Lets go Bills!!!

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I was nervous about this one too as it seems whenever Fitz has a bad game and people start to say he's washed up,  the next week he comes out and lights things up.  And the next week game was us.  Throw in the injuries to the defense and seemed like a bad thing coming.

 

Funny haven't seen any threads since cut down day whining about how we cut such a talent in Duke and what a mistake it was.  Think Oliver will soon be the star of the D line.  Funny too how overall young the line has got between Oliver, EJ, and Phillips.  Even V Butler is only 26.

 

I recall seeing Shaq exit the game injured, guess he did come back, I say "guess" as don't recall hearing his name much at all!

 

Agree about the officiating call, I was kind of thinking the same.

 

Wallace did make things worry some today, seemed like a step back from last season for his play.

 

Allen was amazing, nothing more to say.

 

Overall great game!!

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2 hours ago, Virgil said:

10 - Daboll - Nah, I'm just kidding.  (Even though he did call another beautiful game).  Josh!!!!!!  The kid threw for 4 Touchdowns and over 400 Yards!  Allen missed on only one pass over 20 yards and hit on the other 7 of them!  What the hell did I just witness?! 

 

Virg, as always, your write-up was great.

 

With regard to Josh's long balls, I will say this.  Last year, I opined that the coaching got into his head and he was trying to be mechanically perfect and find a perfect arc.  That's not his game.  Today, he threw those passes with natural movement and instinct.  They are letting him play his game and it's paying dividends.

 

Thanks, again, for the great commentary.  I love you a little.

 

Gug

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I will always love Fitz - even when he drives me crazy, like he did at times today.  He's been good for the league, in his own way.

 

And he gave me one of the best Buffalo wins of the drought, coming back against the Patriots. Really, the only meaningful win we had against them in years.  He was spectacular that day, as he can still be at times.

 

Great write-up.

 

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4 minutes ago, Success said:

I will always love Fitz - even when he drives me crazy, like he did at times today.  He's been good for the league, in his own way.

 

And he gave me one of the best Buffalo wins of the drought, coming back against the Patriots. Really, the only meaningful win we had against them in years.  He was spectacular that day, as he can still be at times.

 

Great write-up.

 

I'd love him as a back-up QB here.

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8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Virg, as always, your write-up was great.

 

With regard to Josh's long balls, I will say this.  Last year, I opined that the coaching got into his head and he was trying to be mechanically perfect and find a perfect arc.  That's not his game.  Today, he threw those passes with natural movement and instinct.  They are letting him play his game and it's paying dividends.

 

Thanks, again, for the great commentary.  I love you a little.

 

Gug


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2 hours ago, Virgil said:

The Miami defense seemed to be one step ahead of us for a lot of the game

Ahead of us to the tune of 524 yards allowed at 8.9 yards per play, including Allen's first 400 yard and 4 passing TD games.  I'll take being behind opposing defenses like that 7 days a week.

12 minutes ago, Success said:

I will always love Fitz - even when he drives me crazy, like he did at times today.  He's been good for the league, in his own way.

 

And he gave me one of the best Buffalo wins of the drought, coming back against the Patriots. Really, the only meaningful win we had against them in years.  He was spectacular that day, as he can still be at times.

 

Great write-up.

 

That win was directly responsible for getting me a girlfriend and engaged, good times.  Was a good way to never forget our anniversary. 

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Thank You, Virgil. As always, a great job!

 

A few more thoughts from my view:

  • Levi Wallace had one of those games he will have. I hope Josh Norman is able to get back soon, to at least see if he's an improvement.
  • I think it's time to feature Singletary more.
  • Question: When our LBs heal, will Dobson stay in the line-up? It seems to me he is a much more athletic option than Klein?
  • How can you not like Fitz, the ultimate gamer. And he seems to have his best days against the Bills.
  • I, like most on this board, want Knox to succeed. His reception for 37 yards and fumble all in on the same play epitomizes his young career. Something tells me Reggie Gilliam is going to get his chance if Knox can't go for a few weeks---is he the right mix of Lee's blocking ability and Knox's athleticism? I hope. But too early to give up on Knox.
  • The thing I most love about J Allen's game yesterday, only one called run. Has he truly become a dual threat? If so, pick your poison opposing D coordinators.
  • MVP of the game: The Bills Mafia guys who were FaceBook Live-ing the game during the blackout. Someone find out who they were and do a GoFundMe to cover their game and travel expenses. On second thought, the Bills should take care of these guys. They were great and represented what this fan base is all about.

The Bills Win! Happy Monday, BillsMafia! And try to get some work done for your boss today.

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11 hours ago, Virgil said:

 

 

I am with you that I may have overthought this game too much as I picked them to lose (may have been the only one). The big thing is I didn't see Josh evolving into a 400 yd thrower so I am soo happy I was wrong. My thoughts back to you:

 

1 - Diggs - Agreed the offense is completely different and soo much more dynamic with him. When the Duke williams crowd tries to tell me he could be a guy, I point to Diggs first two games and then just think how we wouldve beat Houston how we had him last year. #1 WRs make plays and Diggs does that tenfold.

 

2 - Frazier - Bad day for him and the defense. Not only was the D a sieve at points but they couldnt get off the field when the offense was going most of the day. I agree I couldn't figure out with how quick Fitz was releasing why they didn't bump and play closer then to slow them. The most concerning thing to me was even without Milano/Edmunds soo many of our best guys White, Hyde etc.. had bad days and couldn't pick up the slack. I have thought defenses would be flat footed in general to start the season given no pre season games etc.. so I believe it is that and I am happy the offense covered. BUT I have only seen one really good/great quarter of play by the D which was the 1st against the Jets. They have room to improve big time.

 

3 - Dodson - He was not a liability and I think he could be the third LB with Milano and Edmunds. He read plays well and in general was mistake free compared to our more established guys.

 

5 - Pass Coverage - EJ Gaines opting out hurts more then Norman at this point. That was the depth we needed and Norman you knew would be iffy anyway. I think they will come together like they did last year, but the secondary has been very average outside of Poyer to start the year.

 

8 - Old Friends - Some people don't think guys should be friends but I love the fact Shaq and the Bills were talking and having fun. I told my wife had Shaq been here from the start with McD I think he would've been still here.

 

10 - Daboll- Prepare for him to leave after this year unfortunately. He has earned his stripes to become a HC, heck of a job over the years developing the offense and Allen to where they are now.

 

Go Bills!!!

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I know this won't be popular here but I wanted to give a shout out to a Dolphins player. Isaiah Ford is a guy I really liked coming out of Virginia Tech back in 2017. I had a mid round grade on him coming out but he didn't run well at the Combine and slipped to the 7th round. He then got injured his first camp and spent his rookie year on IR. In 2018 he went on the practice squad and then eventually got elevated late in the year and 2019 he bounced between the active roster and the practice squad before getting his shot due to injuries late in the year and putting up a couple of hundred yards over the last few weeks. This season he seems to have won himself a job and had himself a day yesterday with 7 for 76. Good for him. Good player who has never stopped fighting and has earned his chance to show he can play at this level. I am as pleased for him as it is possible to be for a Dolphins player. I always believed he could play in this league and he might be on the cusp of proving it.

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4 hours ago, CSBill said:

 

  • I, like most on this board, want Knox to succeed. His reception for 37 yards and fumble all in on the same play epitomizes his young career. Something tells me Reggie Gilliam is going to get his chance if Knox can't go for a few weeks---is he the right mix of Lee's blocking ability and Knox's athleticism? I hope. But too early to give up on Knox.
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Speaking of TEs, honest question - where is Tyler Kroft ? Is he injured (again) ? 

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I agree that Dodson played well.  However, I think that Edmunds provides a unique advantage in Frazier's defense, particularly against quick passing.  He is so athletic and has such long arms that he plays like a wing defender in basketball and makes those quick middle plays difficult.  I remember last year, I don't remember the game (Patriots, maybe) that the commenter pointed out it was clear the opposing quarterback wanted to go quick, but Edmunds was always there.  He had some tips...maybe an interception...and then the threat of him made the qb turn away from the middle as an option. I hope he's back against the Rams.

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- The other thing we learned about Diggs in week 1 was how tough he is - time and time again shaking off huge hits and not even missing a snap.   We've also learned since TC his incredible drive to make himself and those around him better.  You hit a huge point as well his ability to snag balls out of the air that are anywhere near him - it makes such a huge difference.  How many years have we seen tough but catchable balls bounce of the hands of Bills receivers - and just have people b!tch and moan about QB accuracy when good NFL receivers all over the league make those catches regularly.  It is a revelation to have that weapon on the team now - it makes such a HUGE difference.  Clutch grabs throughout the game are the difference between winning and losing so many times

 

- If Milano/Edmunds can't go hopefully the D staff will have learned something from this game on how to scheme around who we have to put on the field until they get back

 

- Dodson had a string of plays where he was being shot out of a cannon all over the field - likely the Dolphins took notice and got him to overpursue and be out of position times after that.  I'm sure his head was spinning at times - hopefully if he has to keep playing he learned some things from this game

 

- Shout out to Davis - what an incredible catch.  Not ready to panic on Moss yet - but right now it looks like playing against real men is proving to be a big adjustment for him

 

- The NFL badly needs to revise the "blindside" block rule.  It is creating ridiculous situations like yesterday where a defender is literally running at (and looking at) an offensive player and the offensive player can't touch them?  It is ridiculous

 

- Josh definitely looks relaxed and in control.. There are lots of things that contribute to his progress to date, but think having Diggs and true confidence in WRs to make plays is such a huge thing.  One thing I've noticed even from the TC clips is he seems to throw more 3/4 almost sidearm sometimes now on his deep ball - not just footwork seems to me he's actually changed his motion on those throws.  The other thing that has really stuck out to me the first two weeks his the awareness in the pocket and escapability he's shown - he's been so effective in avoiding guys coming at him from all angles and still getting throws off

 

- I've been programed to never expect a blowout any week.  All the crap w/ the power, lightning, FitzMagic - so happy to just get out of there with a W

 

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9 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

Ahead of us to the tune of 524 yards allowed at 8.9 yards per play, including Allen's first 400 yard and 4 passing TD games.  I'll take being behind opposing defenses like that 7 days a week.

That win was directly responsible for getting me a girlfriend and engaged, good times.  Was a good way to never forget our anniversary. 


Good catch.  I meant to say their offense was ahead of our defense 

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9 hours ago, Success said:

I will always love Fitz - even when he drives me crazy, like he did at times today.  He's been good for the league, in his own way.

 

And he gave me one of the best Buffalo wins of the drought, coming back against the Patriots. Really, the only meaningful win we had against them in years.  He was spectacular that day, as he can still be at times.

 

Great write-up.

 

 

I liken Fitz to the guy who plays in your local poker tournament who plays and calls every hand and bet. 

 

He has no inhibitions and is going to jolly well enjoy himself along the way. He'll win a few hands early doors, enjoy a drink and a giggle but eventually he get picked off by the better players but ultimately, won't win a penny. 

 

The other players love having him there and he's a good person but they also know he gives them a very good chance of doubling their chips. 

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12 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Very good assessment.  Miami is better than people think and are well coached.  They have a ton of draft picks.

Not sure if you meant official reviews would have been overturned in the past because it was the Bills or how the NFL was implementing the reviews. If you meant they went with the call on the field because there was not indisputable evidence, I agree. That is how the rule and replay should be used. 

 

 

 

If you get Flores more talent, he's going to win.  He's a good coach.

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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If you get Flores more talent, he's going to win.  He's a good coach.


I didn’t want to spent too much time talking about the Dolphins, but I also think Chan Gailey has evolved as an offensive coordinator.  His scheme was good yesterday and he mixed up a lot of his looks 

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43 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

If you get Flores more talent, he's going to win.  He's a good coach.

He seems like it but other Patriot assistants have looked good early only to fail when they did not have Brady and Belichick. Still early. Only questionable move was the challenge on Diggs sideline catch. It cost him a timeout that could have been needed. If memory serves that was only second down so even if overturned would not have forced a punt.

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10 minutes ago, Virgil said:


I didn’t want to spent too much time talking about the Dolphins, but I also think Chan Gailey has evolved as an offensive coordinator.  His scheme was good yesterday and he mixed up a lot of his looks 

 

Retiring 3 times has been good for him.

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NIce job, VIrg.  Good stuff here.

 

I particularly liked you comment about the replays reviews.  I thought the Davis TD was fine - replay showed clear possession, and if the ball touched the ground, it certainly had nothing to do with the catch.  

 

Diggs' catch was, as you say, the kind of play that the review team has overthought in the past.  You can look at that replay all day trying to figure out if Diggs got possession before the first foot left the ground, I suppose eventually one might conclude that it did and the pass should have been incomplete.   But it was so close that the review team needs to stick with the call on the field and go back to the game, which is what they did.

 

Similarly, the deep ball against Tre White on the right sideline just short of the goal line.  I didn't hear a discussion of it during the broadcast, but the way that play was being called a couple years ago, that was an incomplete pass.  He got two feet in grounds, but the rule apparently says, and the NFL was interpreting strictly, that the receiver had to maintain possession through his collision with the ground.  On that play, the receiver had to go down to make the catch - he dragged his second foot, so he couldn't stay on his feet and run out of bounds, and when he hit the ground the ball came out.   Incomplete.  But as far as I'm concerned, that interpretation has always been wrong.  The guy caught the ball, no question, got two feet down, and that should be the end of it.  Completion.   Even though it was bad for the Bills, that's the way that play should be called.   Did I miss the NFL announcement that they've changed the way they're calling it?

 

In any case, I like how the review process seems to be working so far this year.  

 

 

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13 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Very good assessment.  Miami is better than people think and are well coached.  They have a ton of draft picks.

Not sure if you meant official reviews would have been overturned in the past because it was the Bills or how the NFL was implementing the reviews. If you meant they went with the call on the field because there was not indisputable evidence, I agree. That is how the rule and replay should be used. 

 

 

Miami isn’t that good yet.  There have some very glaring lack of talent in some positions.  But they are gamers and Fitz had a Fitz game.  A win is a win and this offense looks so confident.  Great start.

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10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Miami isn’t that good yet.  There have some very glaring lack of talent in some positions.  But they are gamers and Fitz had a Fitz game.  A win is a win and this offense looks so confident.  Great start.


I think they are at where we were in year 2. If Tua gets in there this year and they hit on some picks, they will contend next year

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19 hours ago, BritBill said:

 

I liken Fitz to the guy who plays in your local poker tournament who plays and calls every hand and bet. 

 

He has no inhibitions and is going to jolly well enjoy himself along the way. He'll win a few hands early doors, enjoy a drink and a giggle but eventually he get picked off by the better players but ultimately, won't win a penny. 

 

The other players love having him there and he's a good person but they also know he gives them a very good chance of doubling their chips. 

You forgot the part where he goes on a heater 2-3 times a year. 

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On 9/21/2020 at 4:41 AM, CSBill said:

Thank You, Virgil. As always, a great job!

 

A few more thoughts from my view:

  • Levi Wallace had one of those games he will have. I hope Josh Norman is able to get back soon, to at least see if he's an improvement.
  • I think it's time to feature Singletary more.
  • Question: When our LBs heal, will Dobson stay in the line-up? It seems to me he is a much more athletic option than Klein?
  • How can you not like Fitz, the ultimate gamer. And he seems to have his best days against the Bills.
  • I, like most on this board, want Knox to succeed. His reception for 37 yards and fumble all in on the same play epitomizes his young career. Something tells me Reggie Gilliam is going to get his chance if Knox can't go for a few weeks---is he the right mix of Lee's blocking ability and Knox's athleticism? I hope. But too early to give up on Knox.
  • The thing I most love about J Allen's game yesterday, only one called run. Has he truly become a dual threat? If so, pick your poison opposing D coordinators.
  • MVP of the game: The Bills Mafia guys who were FaceBook Live-ing the game during the blackout. Someone find out who they were and do a GoFundMe to cover their game and travel expenses. On second thought, the Bills should take care of these guys. They were great and represented what this fan base is all about.

The Bills Win! Happy Monday, BillsMafia! And try to get some work done for your boss today.

 

This is something I can not get off my mind.  I hoped that Knox worked on his catches/fumbles in the offseason. But I think Josh will lose confidence quickly (if he has not already). Gilliam's catch today made me think that Knox may end up being a "blocking" tight end.

 

I know - too early, yada-yada. 

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2 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

This is something I can not get off my mind.  I hoped that Knox worked on his catches/fumbles in the offseason. But I think Josh will lose confidence quickly (if he has not already). Gilliam's catch today made me think that Knox may end up being a "blocking" tight end.

 

I know - too early, yada-yada. 


Does Gilliam have anywhere near Knox’s open field speed?  That’s what I liked most about Knox. 
 

Imagine a Waller, Engram on this team

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22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Miami isn’t that good yet.  There have some very glaring lack of talent in some positions.  But they are gamers and Fitz had a Fitz game.  A win is a win and this offense looks so confident.  Great start.

 

I think Byron Jones going out early and Xavien Howard being hobbled hurts them. When those two are fully healthy that looks a good corner combo. Asking the rookie from Auburn to cover Diggs in man once Jones went out was a complete mismatch. I like Flores but I think I said on Diggs first or second catch in the game thread that if they tried that all day he would eat. He ate. Enough to get a lockdown belly in fact.

 

Think they still have a problem on the offensive line but I liked Solomon Kindley's game on Sunday. I thought he was the best long term bet of the three olinemen they took relatively early in the draft. He still has some work to do as a pass blocker, but I thought he got some movement for them in the run game.

2 hours ago, cd1 said:

 

This is something I can not get off my mind.  I hoped that Knox worked on his catches/fumbles in the offseason. But I think Josh will lose confidence quickly (if he has not already). Gilliam's catch today made me think that Knox may end up being a "blocking" tight end.

 

I know - too early, yada-yada. 

 

Should say on Knox's second "mistake" I think that was a heck of a play by the DB keeping his hand in there and ripping the ball out. He has to do a better job on the fumble though, no question. His ceiling is still very high.

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3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think Byron Jones going out early and Xavien Howard being hobbled hurts them. When those two are fully healthy that looks a good corner combo. Asking the rookie from Auburn to cover Diggs in man once Jones went out was a complete mismatch. I like Flores but I think I said on Diggs first or second catch in the game thread that if they tried that all day he would eat. He ate. Enough to get a lockdown belly in fact.

 

Think they still have a problem on the offensive line but I liked Solomon Kindley's game on Sunday. I thought he was the best long term bet of the three olinemen they took relatively early in the draft. He still has some work to do as a pass blocker, but I thought he got some movement for them in the run game.

 

Should say on Knox's second "mistake" I think that was a heck of a play by the DB keeping his hand in there and ripping the ball out. He has to do a better job on the fumble though, no question. His ceiling is still very high.


was a video of the Knox fumble ever posted?  It’s the only play I haven’t seen. 

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