Joe B All-22 review of Jets game

[YoloinOhio]

It’s late this week because all-22 was not out until wed night 

 

 

22. MLB Tyrel Dodson
Snaps: 17/56
Grade versus Jets: B-minus

29. SLB A.J. Klein
Snaps: 35/56
Grade versus Jets: C-plus

 

Spotlight on how the backup LBs looked

[whatdrought]

What’s the play demonstrating Josh’s progress?

[GoBills808]

BUT DOES IT HAVE THE MISSING FG FOOTAGE

[YoloinOhio]

Also this is good:

2. The Ford-Williams pairing was outstanding

Now that the secret of the summer is out in the open, we got our first chance to see the Bills’ new-look offensive line. The headline was the brand-new right side, with right guard Cody Ford and right tackle Daryl Williams. Longtime readers of the All-22 in Review know I’ve been a fierce advocate of Ford playing guard. In the two primary examples during games, a preseason contest versus the Coltsand fill-in duty against the Bengals in Week 3, Ford looked comfortable and showed he belonged. Almost one year after his last guard stint, Ford turned in one of his best performances as a pro. It’s not a case of confirmation bias, either. Ford played with power in the run game, he controlled defenders in pass protection and, best yet, he didn’t have to worry about the speed threat to the outside of him. It wasn’t a perfect game for Ford, as he had a few bad reps that led to some negative plays. However, that’s probably more to do with rust on the interior than it is his playing ability. Ford flashed massive potential against a good Jets defensive line. He was more impressive and more comfortable in one start at guard than he ever was at right tackle last year. As long as this level of play continues, the Bills should keep their second-year player at right guard — even when Jon Feliciano is healthy.

However, the real revelation was Williams. I’ll admit, I was not optimistic about Williams’ chances. Last year in Carolina, he looked heavy-footed and unbalanced and seemed like his best days were past him. While it isn’t time to call it a full-fledged comeback just yet, Williams was easily the most impressive Bills player on Sunday outside of Allen. He was impenetrable in the first half and easily engulfed pass-rushing attempts. His foot quickness wasn’t even close to an issue, as he always looked in control. Williams packed a punch and knocked a couple of defenders off balance when chipping in on a combination block on running plays. He could also move the defender the way he wanted to open up running lanes.

However, it’s wise to show a little more caution with Williams than Ford because of the competition. The Jets’ interior defensive line is a strength, so Ford’s performance is impressive, but the Jets don’t have quality edge rushers, which could have influenced Williams’ performance. Regardless, his showing was so good that fans should be optimistic about what he’ll do against better pass rushers in Miami. If Williams keeps up this level of play, the Bills would have no reason to change the offensive line’s right side at all. If that were the case, Feliciano’s potential spot on the offensive line could be at left guard and replace the usual average performing Quinton Spain.

Just now, whatdrought said:

What’s the play demonstrating Josh’s progress?

TD to Moss

 

Allen then turned his attention back to Moss, now his sixth (!) read on the play. However, that was where Allen’s running prowess came into play. The Jets defenders who originally bracketed Moss were cued by Allen’s scrambling to attack the quarterback. They took the bait and Moss was wide open in the end zone.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Oh, Joe B.

[Nick the Greek]

15 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

What’s the play demonstrating Josh’s progress?

TD pass time Moss because he went thru 6 different reads before passing to Moss. 

[BigBuff423]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s late this week because all-22 was not out until wed night 

 

 

22. MLB Tyrel Dodson
Snaps: 17/56
Grade versus Jets: B-minus

29. SLB A.J. Klein
Snaps: 35/56
Grade versus Jets: C-plus

 

Spotlight on how the backup LBs looked

 

The LB group is now my biggest concern due to the injuries. It reveals how much more needs to be done for depth. That said, I'm very pleased with how Beane et. al. have taken on the depth issue with vigor at nearly every other position group. So, I'm hopeful that while locking down Milano is the priority this Off-season, they should see the LBer depth as one of their top 3 pressing areas to address.

[Logic]

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

[whatdrought]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

 

No clue. I don't mind adding his opinion to the pile, but I don't see it as overly authoritative. He's said some things in his reviews in the past that just do not match up with what I see in the games, so I always take it with a grain of salt. 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

It’s just a review ... like all the others 

[ILBillsfan]

I also liked this play and the mention in the cover 1 review of the game that Moss did a nice subtle vet move by moving back behind the lb's covering the goal line opening himself up for that pass as well

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

No clue. I don't mind adding his opinion to the pile, but I don't see it as overly authoritative. He's said some things in his reviews in the past that just do not match up with what I see in the games, so I always take it with a grain of salt. 

Don’t know why anyone would expect it to authoritative. It’s just an all22 review 

[Jauronimo]

33 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

BUT DOES IT HAVE THE MISSING FG FOOTAGE

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

I'm an engineer. Which means I know nothing about football

[cage]

39 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

 

He's the only one offering this kind of analysis.  The Cover1 guys do some of this, but pick/choose the players, scenarios and themes that they want to focus on.  They don't look at each player, each game and aggregate that over the course of the season.  So I'm not sure of Joe's qualifications in their entirety, he offers a body of work that seems to be worth looking at and debating.  I don't think his analysis should be dismissed out of hand.

 

If he's monitoring this discussion, I do think he should publish his criteria and if he's working with anyone else in determining his ratings.  This back/forth happens every time someone references his analysis to make a point.

 

Edited September 18, 2020 by cage

[Logic]

19 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I'm an engineer. Which means I know nothing about football

 

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Don’t know why anyone would expect it to authoritative. It’s just an all22 review 

I didn't say he knows NOTHING about football.

There's a difference between understanding and enjoying football as spectator or fan and understanding it on a deep enough level to be able to analyze coach's tape.

As far as expecting it to be "authoritative"...Joe B gets paid for this. The assumption from the reader would therefore likely be that he knows what he's looking at and is some sort of expert.

People are perhaps taking my question to mean more than it does. As I said, I like Joe B and I pay for a subscription to The Athletic. I was simply asking what makes his opinion of the All-22 worth any more than, say, mine or ScottLaw's?

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

38 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

Fun fact, Logic, appeal to authority is, in fact, itself a logical fallacy.

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, cage said:

 

He's the only one offering this kind of analysis.  The Cover1 guys do some of this, but pick/choose the players, scenarios and themes that they want to focus on.  They don't look at each player, each game and aggregate that over the course of the season.  So I'm not sure of Joe's qualifications in their entirety, he offers a body of work that seems to be worth looking at and debating.  I don't think his analysis should be dismissed out of hand.

The Yards Per Pass twitter account does a really nice one but it’s time consuming to post here , series of tweets with vids. I’ve done it in past years. 

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

I didn't say he knows NOTHING about football.

There's a difference between understanding and enjoying football as spectator or fan and understanding it on a deep enough level to be able to analyze coach's tape.

As far as expecting it to be "authoritative"...Joe B gets paid for this. The assumption from the reader would therefore likely be that he knows what he's looking at and is some sort of expert.

People are perhaps taking my question to mean more than it does. As I said, I like Joe B and I pay for a subscription to The Athletic. I was simply asking what makes his opinion of the All-22 worth any more than, say, mine or ScottLaw's?

Nothing ... please post yours! I don’t have time to do one 

Edited September 18, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

WHy do people give a *****? 

 

They ruled it no good and the kicked sucked. 

uh oh we agree again!!!!!

 

 

[Just in Atlanta]

55 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

You could say that about any journalist about any topic they cover. Most movie critics never wrote or directed a movie. Reporters who cover government never ran for office. On and on. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

I really can't stand his arbitrary grading system.

[stevewin]

Praise for the right side of OL and Williams in particular is a good sign going forward

[FLFan]

29 minutes ago, Logic said:

 

I didn't say he knows NOTHING about football.

There's a difference between understanding and enjoying football as spectator or fan and understanding it on a deep enough level to be able to analyze coach's tape.

As far as expecting it to be "authoritative"...Joe B gets paid for this. The assumption from the reader would therefore likely be that he knows what he's looking at and is some sort of expert.

People are perhaps taking my question to mean more than it does. As I said, I like Joe B and I pay for a subscription to The Athletic. I was simply asking what makes his opinion of the All-22 worth any more than, say, mine or ScottLaw's?

Well, he does do this for a living.  He puts in the time, does the analysis and puts his opinion out there in print.  People are free to disagree with it.  At the end of the day, he is a journalist, not Vince Lombardi, and it his opinion.    Anyone else is free to do put in the time and effort and express their own opinions.  

[nedboy7]

Does anyone need any qualifications anymore?  For anything?  Its a just ***** show on the internet.  But I do like Joe B. 

[Logic]

15 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

I really can't stand his arbitrary grading system.

Agreed.

[junior]

48 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

WHy do people give a *****? 

 

They ruled it no good and the kicked sucked. 

 

 

People care because a professional sports league in 2020 is somehow incapable of definitively determining whether or not a football went between two poles. 

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

L -

 

I'm generally of this view, too.   But...

 

Like Yolo said, it's just a review.   It's someone looking at the film and giving his opinion.   

 

My sense of Joe is that he's pretty even-handed, and he seems to make sense.   Given his job, his probably spends more time looking at film than I do, and he seems smart enough, so he's probably learned some things along the way.   

 

As with anyone else, the more often a guy seems to make sense, the more confidence I have him, the less he makes sense, the less.   Joe's on the plus side.  

 

Those guys who do Cover One, they don't have long coaching resumes, but they seem to be pretty good at reviewing film and understanding what was happening.  So, for me, they're on the plus side.   

 

As much as anything, I like reading these things not so much for the actual conclusions as for little things the author may have noticed that I didn't.  For example, on the Moss TD, I didn't know Moss was Allen's sixth read.  That's pretty cool.  

57 minutes ago, Logic said:

I was simply asking what makes his opinion of the All-22 worth any more than, say, mine or ScottLaw's?

Well, my friend, applying the same standard I just said I apply to Joe B and Cover One, as between you and ScottLaw, one's a plus and one's a minus.  

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

I guess you hope someone that does this all the time every day eventually picks up some nuance somewhere. 
 

I mean we all gain insight from the hobbyists here that dedicate much less time than Joe B does 

29 minutes ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

 

People care because a professional sports league in 2020 is somehow incapable of definitively determining whether or not a football went between two poles. 

that is not true, we all know for sure it didn’t go between the two poles. That’s not the problem here. 

Edited September 18, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

The LB group is now my biggest concern due to the injuries. It reveals how much more needs to be done for depth. That said, I'm very pleased with how Beane et. al. have taken on the depth issue with vigor at nearly every other position group. So, I'm hopeful that while locking down Milano is the priority this Off-season, they should see the LBer depth as one of their top 3 pressing areas to address.

No team is strong everywhere. There will always be compromises to make. 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

 

I didn't say he knows NOTHING about football.

There's a difference between understanding and enjoying football as spectator or fan and understanding it on a deep enough level to be able to analyze coach's tape.

As far as expecting it to be "authoritative"...Joe B gets paid for this. The assumption from the reader would therefore likely be that he knows what he's looking at and is some sort of expert.

People are perhaps taking my question to mean more than it does. As I said, I like Joe B and I pay for a subscription to The Athletic. I was simply asking what makes his opinion of the All-22 worth any more than, say, mine or ScottLaw's?

That he is good enough at this football thing to make a living by being employed as a sports reporter by one of the highly regarded outfits is a step ahead of you, me, Scott, and the rest of us here, 😁 that alone adds gravitas to his opinion, in other words he does it full time for a living, not after work, and on weekends when the lawn work is done, 😁 that’s why most sports reporters voices are considered to have some level of authority. It is then up to us individually to agree or disagree with the points of a reporters review, but that has not changed since football started. 
 

Go Bills!!!

 

 

[somnus00]

Miami's TEs will have a good day on Sunday if Klein is covering them. This makes me a bit nervous. Are we going to see Siran Neal, Dean Marlowe, or Jaquan Johnson used in the lineup to help on passing downs?

 

It'll be interesting to see how McDermott and Frazier gameplan.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, junior12thman92 said:

 

 

People care because a professional sports league in 2020 is somehow incapable of definitively determining whether or not a football went between two poles. 

It was a bad kick and given the distance, the Bills kinda got what they deserved. I have no idea whether it was good or not, but I also think that at that distance, it's on the kicker to make a kick that is clearly through the uprights. Bass does not inspire confidence at all. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s late this week because all-22 was not out until wed night 

 

 

22. MLB Tyrel Dodson
Snaps: 17/56
Grade versus Jets: B-minus

29. SLB A.J. Klein
Snaps: 35/56
Grade versus Jets: C-plus

 

Spotlight on how the backup LBs looked

It's late because they were busy doctoring the missed field goal footage...

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

I mean this as no disrespect to Joe Buscaglia, but...

What qualifies him to grade All-22 footage?

For what reason should we believe that he knows what he's looking at?

As far as I know, he never played or coached college football and never took any scouting courses.

He's a journalist. He writes and broadcasts for a living. That's an entirely different skillset than analyzing and understanding coach's tape.

If someone knows something I don't, please pass it along. I like Joe B well enough, but I don't get the sense that he understands the nuances of what he's looking at the way that, say even the Cover 1 crew do.

I have found many of his prior reviews to be really far off base, and conflicting with others’ reviews too. So I usually don’t bother putting any stock in his reviews of the film. 

[mykidsdad]

The kick was too close not to have video review available. I mean if people take time to review anything they should review scoring plays. It seems straight forward. 

Edited September 19, 2020 by mykidsdad

[CLTbills]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Also this is good:

 

 

TD to Moss

 

 

 

I was literally going to make a new post about this. He had no chances of actually running for it. There was nowhere for him to go. But the moment he rolled out of the pocket, both defenders covering Moss ran toward him and left Moss all alone. 

Defenses are so scared of him running, that he doesn't even have to run for it to be effective.

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

I was literally going to make a new post about this. He had no chances of actually running for it. There was nowhere for him to go. But the moment he rolled out of the pocket, both defenders covering Moss ran toward him and left Moss all alone. 

Defenses are so scared of him running, that he doesn't even have to run for it to be effective.

Especially in the red zone 

[CLTbills]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Especially in the red zone 

Exactly. Moss wasn't even remotely open. He was covered by 2 guys. The moment Josh rolled out, they both overcommitted to Josh and left him all alone. 

 

There was another play that I remember watching that there is no way he'd have made in his first two seasons. It was the play immediately before John Brown's TD. It was a play-action, and the moment he came out of the play fake he had a couple guys in his face and he calmly made a beautiful little touch pass to I believe Singletary. 

 

It's such a minor play in the grand scheme of the game... but I remember thinking in real time, "wow, now that's progress." It's just a play he wouldn't have made in his first year and a half to two years in the league. He would have panicked and ran for it. It was just another example of how much he has matured as a QB.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 hours ago, Just in Atlanta said:

You could say that about any journalist about any topic they cover. Most movie critics never wrote or directed a movie. Reporters who cover government never ran for office. On and on. 

I thought Gene Siskel wrote The Godfather?

[Mr. WEO]

Another NFL conspiracy dies a quick death...