RyanC883 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 the designed runs HAVE to stop, esp when up 21. More an OC issue than QB issue. Otherwise Ja missed some open guys, but also made good throws. Hopefully those misses go down during the season with more reps. Overall I’d say an A- B-plus game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 hours ago, JohnNord said: To be fair, he also had a wide open miss to Dawson Know. Couple that with 2 fumbles. But for the most part, that’s it. When you look at the totality of the game, he did more good than bad - which is “The Josh Allen Experience.” Never a dull moment, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Every QB makes bad plays EVERY game they play, and it doesn't matter what name you insert here. Yet Allen is SCRUTINIZED with every f'n bad play he makes. It's really tiresome. Allen's arm and legs are the big reason the Bills put up 400 yards and 27 to begin with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: God that was such a horrendous pass by Allen. But it was just one pass. 71% completion rate is pretty good.... I take you don't watch a lot of NFL games. Because I see throws like that every week by pretty much every single quarterback But only allen does it get talked about after a 33 of 46 game Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 hours ago, TBBills said: Joe attacks people for no reason. I think he wants a temp ban or something... Criticizing players for playing poorly or making bad mistakes isn't worthy of a ban, temp or otherwise, regardless of if we like the opinion or not. Josh deserves flack for that pass (and some other misses), but deserves all the praise in the world for the others he made. That's just par for the course being an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I take you don't watch a lot of NFL games. Because I see throws like that every week by pretty much every single quarterback But only allen does it get talked about after a 33 of 46 game I really, really do not understand why Allen's performance is getting downplayed. He put up a franchise caliber line yesterday. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: God that was such a horrendous pass by Allen. But it was just one pass. 71% completion rate is pretty good.... You take the good. You take the bad. You take them both and there you have The facts of life. The facts of life. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: I did see a few. If Josh has that same game every game for the rest of the season, then we’re probably winning the division IMO. Yes the throw was bad and boy do I wish he’d hold on to the ball tighter, but to me he looked like a QB that’s ready to take the next step yesterday if Josh has the same game every week we'll be 8-8. Losing 2 fumbles and missing 2 guys WIDE OPEN in the EZ will be good enough vs the Jets who have no offense. However against some of th other teams on our schedule like the Cheaps, Hawks 49ers, Cardinals, Cheats x2, Rams, Titans, and Steel Curtain, not so much. He played a.good game for the most part. Keep on winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I take you don't watch a lot of NFL games. Because I see throws like that every week by pretty much every single quarterback But only allen does it get talked about after a 33 of 46 game Please read my other posts in this thread. I said it was a bad throw, was it not a bad throw? Holy *****. I also said that it was “just one pass”. I appreciate you guys coming to Allen’s defense but holy *****, I wasn’t talking bad about him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Brennan Huff said: Please read my other posts in this thread. I said it was a bad throw, was it not a bad throw? Holy *****. I also said that it was “just one pass”. I appreciate you guys coming to Allen’s defense but holy *****, I wasn’t talking bad about him There's literally no reason to bring up that one throw when he was 33 of 46. Every single quarterback misses throws throughout a game Especially when they're rolling out to the wrong side. This is the only place in the world that breaks down every poor throw. Tom Brady has two or three bad throws a game for 15 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 7 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Seriously. Sometimes I wonder if Bills fans ever watch any of the other great QB’s play entire games. They all make ‘bad plays’ every game. Mahomes made some egregious misses on Thursday, and I literally looked at my friend and said had that been Josh Allen it would be talked about non stop regardless what he did rest of game. With Mahomes and other QB's, you never hear about it again after the game. Allen had a very good day throwing the ball. I bet you 99 times out of 100 he makes that throw to Brown for the easy TD. He just let that one get away from him. He made so many key throws all day with precision, it was more a fluke than anything. The Knox throw was clearly more about he had no idea how much space he created escaping the pocket. He threw the ball as if someone was still on him and simply didn't set his feet. It was an awkward throw, and he just escaped major pressure. That one wasn't that big of a deal IMO, just more that he had no idea he left everyone in their dust actually and had the time to set and not make the awkward throwing angle. Now the fumbles are to be concerned about. This was an issue for him last year, and I cant for the life of me figure out why a man this big and strong with big hands cant hold onto the ball better. But if they are going to keep utilizing his threat to run, and they should, they need to drill down on him and figure this ball control out. It can be done, Tiki Barber was terrible about fumbling until they finally fixed it. Call him or something, figure it out, but it needs to be fixed. You cant take away his designed runs, its a big part of what makes him so hard to defend. But you also need to not over use it and also be smart about it and help the kid figure out ball security better. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: There's literally no reason to bring up that one throw when he was 33 of 46. Every single quarterback misses throws throughout a game Especially when they're rolling out to the wrong side. This is the only place in the world that breaks down every poor throw. Tom Brady has two or three bad throws a game for 15 years Im guessing you didn’t even read the MMQB article. Read it and then you’ll see why I even brought it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Brennan Huff said: Im guessing you didn’t even read the MMQB article. Read it and then you’ll see why I even brought it up... No I didn't. if you want to bring up negatives from Allens game bring up the fumbles His arm is money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: No I didn't. if you want to bring up negatives from Allens game bring up the fumbles His arm is money That pass was brought up in the article because it went “viral” on social media. So me bringing up the pass and then saying “but it was just one pass. 71% completion percentage is pretty good” is basically saying what you’re trying to say to me in defense of Allen. I know it was one bad pass. Unfortunately he has a narrative of being inaccurate, and Twitter land ate that throw up. I love Josh Allen and I think he’s on his way to elite status. Edited September 14, 2020 by Brennan Huff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There is some rust/field awareness I believe. I don’t have time for it this morning and I suck at searching our archives, but at one point after last season I went through every fumble Josh made last season and put them into three categories: 1) strip-sack - hit while setting up to throw. QBs are gonna get those. There’s no way around it if you don’t turn into “Cap’t Checkdown” and pitch it at the first pressure. 2) rushing fumble - hit and stripped while running. No excuse. 3) transition fumble - hit and stripped while making a decision whether to run or throw What I saw when I did this was that early in the season, 2) predominated. After the Browns game, 1) and occasionally 3). He had 5 games with 0 fumbles, the 1 fumble in the Dallas game was actually a botched snap (or he wouldn’t have been able to advance it by rule), and the fumbles in the Ravens game 1 was for sure a blindside hit/strip sack where 95/100 QB fumble and I think the other was a transition fumble. The lost fumble in the Houston game was a transition fumble. I think in regards to the Houston game fumble, Josh had decided to make a throw. His eyes were fixed down field and his left had had just come off the ball but category 3 is the better match over 1. Mercilus beat Kroft, Singletary and Dawkins on the play and accidentally poke checked it from Josh's right hand with the back of his. Sorry, I have had a thing with reviewing those strange plays that went wrong from that game. The excuse I see for fumbles of the #2 type is that QBs are not only not hit in practice but they aren't even to be touched. I think that does not prepare them well for in game defenders making a play on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 49 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: That pass was brought up in the article because it went “viral” on social media. So me bringing up the pass and then saying “but it was just one pass. 71% completion percentage is pretty good” is basically saying what you’re trying to say to me in defense of Allen. I know it was one bad pass. Unfortunately he has a narrative of being inaccurate, and Twitter land ate that throw up. I love Josh Allen and I think he’s on his way to elite status. Give it a rest.🤦♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: Not sure they'll overcome two fumbles/TOs in the opposing teams red zone against elite competition.... very doubtful. Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Give it a rest.🤦♂️ Give what a rest?!? What the hell is going on here?!? Why do I have to defend my defense of josh Allen??? It’s like I’m in ***** bizzarro world right now Edited September 14, 2020 by Brennan Huff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: Criticizing players for playing poorly or making bad mistakes isn't worthy of a ban, temp or otherwise, regardless of if we like the opinion or not. Josh deserves flack for that pass (and some other misses), but deserves all the praise in the world for the others he made. That's just par for the course being an NFL QB. The problem is be the little bit critical and Joe attacks you as if you are not allowed to talk about the fumbles or missed throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, TBBills said: The problem is be the little bit critical and Joe attacks you as if you are not allowed to talk about the fumbles or missed throws. Someone's a bit tender, I see. There's always ignore, little buddy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Did anyone see the Ravens game. Jackson is terrible. The guy is not a real QB. Not sure why he gets so much props and Allen gets bashed for throwing for 300+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 40 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: I think in regards to the Houston game fumble, Josh had decided to make a throw. His eyes were fixed down field and his left had had just come off the ball but category 3 is the better match over 1. Mercilus beat Kroft, Singletary and Dawkins on the play and accidentally poke checked it from Josh's right hand with the back of his. Sorry, I have had a thing with reviewing those strange plays that went wrong from that game. The excuse I see for fumbles of the #2 type is that QBs are not only not hit in practice but they aren't even to be touched. I think that does not prepare them well for in game defenders making a play on him. That's exactly my assessment of that Houston fumble - and I too went through the Gamepass frame by frame. People say "but but Mercilus barely touched it", well, there's a lever effect. Hitting the tip of a ball on the opposite side of where it's being held is the optimal leverage to pop it out. Physics. Josh said that after the Cleveland game, "those guys are bigger and they hit harder than it's possible to hit the QB in practice", but nevertheless, he did make a big improvement in fumbles during runs during the course of last season. He went 5 of the last 7 games of the season with 0 fumbles but a normal amount of rushing attempts. The fumbles he had were a botched snap in the Dallas game that he recovered and converted, and two strip sacks in the Ravens game. (to be fair, he coughed the ball up but it was ruled down at Pittsburgh, but held on through some rough treatment at other times) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 35 minutes ago, ngbills said: Did anyone see the Ravens game. Jackson is terrible. The guy is not a real QB. Not sure why he gets so much props and Allen gets bashed for throwing for 300+. Holy ***** dude. Nobody is bashing Allen. Criticizing yes, bashing no not even close. What is going on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 8 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Holy ***** dude. Nobody is bashing Allen. Criticizing yes, bashing no not even close. What is going on here? You responded in the context of an article. Other folks didn't read the article, but are responding to the message board context of a group of posters who like to scrutinize every bad pass or mistake Allen makes, often because they have embraced a narrative where Allen is not very good. You, yourself, are fine. Just let it go. In the end, you and 716 and most rational folks are on the same page. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The fumbles have come from him doing too much. Like it or not Allen is going to do that. As a team Buffalo needs to limit his hits. I want the offense to run Allen less. Move away from the zone read. If the play breaks down, he runs ok. But get down or out of bounds. The pass in the endzone was a situation where he was being asked to execute an insansly difficult pass. Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson would struggle with that pass too. Reverse roll out running against his body float it over the wr and defender in the flat. The narrative is set. He is a turnover machine and is too inaccurate to win. Some how some way he threw 40 passes at 70%. 2 tds 1 rushing over 300 yards passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You responded in the context of an article. Other folks didn't read the article, but are responding to the message board context of a group of posters who like to scrutinize every bad pass or mistake Allen makes, often because they have embraced a narrative where Allen is not very good. You, yourself, are fine. Just let it go. In the end, you and 716 and most rational folks are on the same page. Is it the the people who scrutinize? Or that anyone who scrutinizes or appears to scrutinize is attacked. This board is so sensitive to anything possibly being said in a negative way. Only rainbows and butterflies allowed... Edited September 14, 2020 by ngbills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Is it the the people who scrutinize? Or that anyone who scrutinizes or appears to scrutinize is attacked. This board is so sensitive to anything possibly being said in a negative way. Only rainbows and butterflies allowed... As I'm sure you are aware, when folks disagree, one person's explanations are another's excuses. I don't think folks who think Allen is on the way to becoming a franchise qb ignore mistakes or the need to improve. I therefore don't agree that only rainbows, butterflies, unicorns, etc. are allowed. In my opinion, there are skeptical folks who remain insightful and in the range of rational opinion. I distinguish those folks from those who clearly have an agenda. But it's a message board. Everyone puts in their two cents and each person has to decide who is worth attending to and who is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: if Josh has the same game every week we'll be 8-8. Losing 2 fumbles and missing 2 guys WIDE OPEN in the EZ will be good enough vs the Jets who have no offense. However against some of th other teams on our schedule like the Cheaps, Hawks 49ers, Cardinals, Cheats x2, Rams, Titans, and Steel Curtain, not so much. He played a.good game for the most part. Keep on winning! What if Josh also has the same 33-46, 312, 2 TDs passing, and one TD rushing every week as well? Will we still be 8-8? Does the defense have a say in any of it? Edited September 14, 2020 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Just now, K-9 said: What if Josh also has the same 33-46, 312, 2 TDs passing, and one TD rushing every wee as well? Will we still be 8-8? Does the defense have a say in any of it? Another way to ask it: say this team puts up 27 points every game. Is that team finishing 8-8? Not very plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You responded in the context of an article. Other folks didn't read the article, but are responding to the message board context of a group of posters who like to scrutinize every bad pass or mistake Allen makes, often because they have embraced a narrative where Allen is not very good. You, yourself, are fine. Just let it go. In the end, you and 716 and most rational folks are on the same page. Finally somebody making sense. Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Finally somebody making sense. Thank you Come here you big lug and get a hug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, WotAGuy said: Come here you big lug and get a hug. 🤗 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: That's exactly my assessment of that Houston fumble - and I too went through the Gamepass frame by frame. People say "but but Mercilus barely touched it", well, there's a lever effect. Hitting the tip of a ball on the opposite side of where it's being held is the optimal leverage to pop it out. Physics. Josh said that after the Cleveland game, "those guys are bigger and they hit harder than it's possible to hit the QB in practice", but nevertheless, he did make a big improvement in fumbles during runs during the course of last season. He went 5 of the last 7 games of the season with 0 fumbles but a normal amount of rushing attempts. The fumbles he had were a botched snap in the Dallas game that he recovered and converted, and two strip sacks in the Ravens game. (to be fair, he coughed the ball up but it was ruled down at Pittsburgh, but held on through some rough treatment at other times) The Bills went max protect and a triple teamed defender, Mercilus, beat the protection and caused the fumble. So many plays in that game would have made for some tough video review. TJ Watt punches should be illegal. When he misses it becomes more akin to a PF. I don't ever recall any other player going after the ball like that. He got Singletary to fumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: TJ Watt punches should be illegal. When he misses it becomes more akin to a PF. I don't ever recall any other player going after the ball like that. He got Singletary to fumble. That was essentially my reaction "why isn't that a personal foul?" Watt essentially punched Josh hard in the xiphoid process, or hopefully in whatever protector Josh is wearing over the area but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 11 hours ago, Brennan Huff said: God that was such a horrendous pass by Allen. But it was just one pass. 71% completion rate is pretty good.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Its becoming really weird to me that there are so many of you that just stopped reading after the first sentence. Maybe that’s your thing. Like you won’t even make it this sentence right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 hours ago, ngbills said: Did anyone see the Ravens game. Jackson is terrible. The guy is not a real QB. Not sure why he gets so much props and Allen gets bashed for throwing for 300+. Sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dr. Who said: You responded in the context of an article. Other folks didn't read the article, but are responding to the message board context of a group of posters who like to scrutinize every bad pass or mistake Allen makes, often because they have embraced a narrative where Allen is not very good. You, yourself, are fine. Just let it go. In the end, you and 716 and most rational folks are on the same page. Yeah I've been out golfing and drinking all day. . I didn't read the article but there will be people that will scrutinize every pass from Allen for the rest of his career And they will highlight the bad ones but never talk about the good ones, that's life and I agree most of the rational people are on the same page Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, TBBills said: The problem is be the little bit critical and Joe attacks you as if you are not allowed to talk about the fumbles or missed throws. Ah, I see. Well there will always be those who personally invest themselves so much in an invidividual player that they take everything other than sheer praise as a slight, or can spin anything into a personal attack on their favorite player. There used to be a few posters around here who were DIEHARD Tyrod defenders....game after game, no matter how miserable he played, and if you so much as laid basic evidence out as to why he was the main issue, they went on a crusade against you lol. In regards to Josh, people should just understand there is going to be criticism of him while he plays like this. We take the bad with the good, not disregard all the bad & pretend it's ALL good. I mean in another thread about Diggs, I complimented how clutch he was & how impressed I was with his ability to hang onto the ball even after big hits, but since I said something like "even if Josh was to somehow flame out, Diggs would still be worth everything we traded for him," some guy got all pissed off & called that personally attacking Josh 😂 I mean... I didn't even say one critical thing about the guy. I was saying absent of the current QB, the massive amount of picks we invested to get Diggs + what we're paying him is worth it, so in a worst case scenario we aren't stuck with some highly paid player that falls apart without other pieces around him. Diggs is good independent of other factors. That's it. But damn will people get offended if you even speak a hypothetical about Josh lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Mat68 said: The pass in the endzone was a situation where he was being asked to execute an insansly difficult pass. Mahomes, Rodgers, and Wilson would struggle with that pass too. Reverse roll out running against his body float it over the wr and defender in the flat. The narrative is set. He is a turnover machine and is too inaccurate to win. Some how some way he threw 40 passes at 70%. 2 tds 1 rushing over 300 yards passing. Nah. He didn’t complete the pass because he didn’t stop and set his feet. If he did that he would have completed that pass. He got in too much of a hurry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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