YoloinOhio Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Well damn. Good if you can get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR. Diggs deal is looking better and better. 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 This will hurt them in the long run. Good for him, tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR. Diggs deal is looking better and better. Kind of like a lot of money for a CB...who can easily be taken out of the game by throwing away from him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 I'd gladly trade a first for a second for an extra 54 mill cap room - Diggs deal and especially his contract rework looking golden. WTG Beaner, btw, Houston fans just a wee bit less upset with Bill O'Brien now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Want to know part of the reason why the Texans got less In return for Hopkins than Vikings did for Diggs, $. That is qb type money for a wr and teams likely knew that Hopkins was looking to get paid top dollar and scared a lot of teams away. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 So not to be that guy but...... Diggs is on a REALLY Team friendly contract......I wonder if after this year there start to be rumblings by him and his camp on a new deal. And I love that we brought in Diggs and was calling for it LOOONG before it happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Kind of like a lot of money for a CB...who can easily be taken out of the game by throwing away from him. That's pretty much the opposite of "being taken out of the game" 12 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: So not to be that guy but...... Diggs is on a REALLY Team friendly contract......I wonder if after this year there start to be rumblings by him and his camp on a new deal. And I love that we brought in Diggs and was calling for it LOOONG before it happened We already gave him some extra cash for showing up. I could see him making an issue of this in 2 years+ but not anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Kind of like a lot of money for a CB...who can easily be taken out of the game by throwing away from him. Which is an advantage for the defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Kind of like a lot of money for a CB...who can easily be taken out of the game by throwing away from him. Well it will be interesting later this year when they play each other. $27 Million WR vs. $17 Million CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR. Diggs deal is looking better and better. Diggs is going to ask for money after the season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR. Diggs deal is looking better and better. Diggs will want a new contract next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Kind of like a lot of money for a CB...who can easily be taken out of the game by throwing away from him. So shortening the field width by a 3rd is a bad thing?😳🤔 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So not to be that guy but...... Diggs is on a REALLY Team friendly contract......I wonder if after this year there start to be rumblings by him and his camp on a new deal. And I love that we brought in Diggs and was calling for it LOOONG before it happened WR’s in general are a bunch of primadonna’s. I bet there is a lot of grumbling around the league this morning at the position, that if Hopkins is worth 27, they are worth <fill in the amount>. 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: So shortening the field width by a 3rd is a bad thing?😳🤔 How does one CB cover a 1/3 of the field? What if 3 WR’s all line up to his side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Diggs is going to ask for money after the season. 6 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Diggs will want a new contract next year That's just speculation from both of you guys. So because Hopkins signed for 27 million per all top receivers are going to ask for raises? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR. Diggs deal is looking better and better. I love Diggs, but there is a wide gap between Deandre Hopkins and him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: So not to be that guy but...... Diggs is on a REALLY Team friendly contract......I wonder if after this year there start to be rumblings by him and his camp on a new deal. And I love that we brought in Diggs and was calling for it LOOONG before it happened I recall in an interview with Beane that next year will be when they look at it. Given the decline in the cap, however, they have a fair argument to push it out further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Well it will be interesting later this year when they play each other. $27 Million WR vs. $17 Million CB. Not really though. I looked at the contract, and Chris Brown said it as well just now. $3.2 mil. this year, about $15 mil. on his 5th year option as I wasn’t sure if that counted so the $70 mil. all added together over 6 years is an average of $14.66 mil./yr. through 2025. He’ll be 30 and his contract will be beat by so many other CB’s it’s not even funny. This was a great deal for TW, and possibly Milano. If Milano takes $13 mil./yr. so $52 mil., but add his last rookie year, it’s only $10.8 mil. That’s not bad at all. Lock up Beane and we are onto Edmunds next year, and Allen if it all works out in a couple of years. Get ready for a team staying together and building on success year over year. Someday, we could be the next Seahawks. Not going to say Steelers as they have 50 years of history of success, but the Hawks sucked before Wilson, or at least were flashy as they did make the SB when they were robbed before Wilson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, SWATeam said: That's pretty much the opposite of "being taken out of the game" That's what I was thinking ... plus the fact that the defense has no choice but to deal with Hopkins on the field because they are gonna throw it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Diggs is going to ask for money after the season. 24 minutes ago, Brennan Huff said: Diggs will want a new contract next year I doubt it. The contract rework is done for now and the first round compensation paid to the Vikes reflects that. All things going well, I'd be all for Diggs asking for more money in 2022 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 If Diggs plays here and can dominate like he did at times in Minnesota why does anyone care if he asks for a raise? Especially if he goes about it the right way and doesn’t make it into a drama fest. Murray is on his rookie deal, the cards can afford to throw that money around. I would be fine tacking some more guaranteed money onto Diggs deal if he plays at an elite level here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: I doubt it. The contract rework is done for now and the first round compensation paid to the Vikes reflects that. All things going well, I'd be all for Diggs asking for more money in 2022 though. He may not but the fact the Bills gave up a 1st means Diggs and his agent have a ton of leverage. Right now, he’s the 14th highest paid wr making half of what Hopkins makes. Other guys deals will be up and he will drop even lower. I think he will be on his best behave this year and hopefully, he balls out (have him on 3 fantasy teams). But if I was an agent, I’d explore a new deal because of the leverage they have on the Bills. 33 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: WR’s in general are a bunch of primadonna’s. I bet there is a lot of grumbling around the league this morning at the position, that if Hopkins is worth 27, they are worth <fill in the amount>. How does one CB cover a 1/3 of the field? What if 3 WR’s all line up to his side? Yup. Honestly with the life span of nfl contracts and them not being guaranteed, almost every position should think like this. Hell RBs, should try and get a new contract after their rookie years if they have a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 36 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Well it will be interesting later this year when they play each other. $27 Million WR vs. $17 Million CB. to be fair, for Arizona it’s now a 5 year 94m deal so 17 vs 18 per. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He may not but the fact the Bills gave up a 1st means Diggs and his agent have a ton of leverage. Right now, he’s the 14th highest paid wr making half of what Hopkins makes. Other guys deals will be up and he will drop even lower. I think he will be on his best behave this year and hopefully, he balls out (have him on 3 fantasy teams). But if I was an agent, I’d explore a new deal because of the leverage they have on the Bills. Odd take. They would have the leverage if Diggs was a free agent before 2024. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: I love Diggs, but there is a wide gap between Deandre Hopkins and him. Of course there is. One thing I don't understand is why there needs to be a comparison of every top 5 players in their position around the league to every comparable Bills player. There is 32 teams in the league and the math proves that it is illogical. I'm not saying you are one doing this and like I said I agree that Hopkins is an elite WR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Hopkins is great but wow that's a lot of money for a WR. Diggs deal is looking better and better. We better hope we win it all this year. It's going to be hard to keep the band together going forward. Edited September 8, 2020 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 27 million per-year? That is insane Michael Thomas who is just as good of a player got 22.5 million aav or about that much. Are you telling me Hopkins is 5 million dollar better? Insane, good for Hopkins but that really throws the WR market out of whack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: 27 million per-year? That is insane Michael Thomas who is just as good of a player got 22.5 million aav or about that much. Are you telling me Hopkins is 5 million dollar better? Insane, good for Hopkins but that really throws the WR market out of whack. His Arizona contract will be 5 years 94m 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: We better hope we win it all this year. It's going to be hard to keep the band together going forward. Your point is exactly the challenge of every team in the NFL. It's so tough to do it and changes in personnel is the one constant. I take Beane and McDermott at their word about building a team that will be competitive for years to come. That means a lot of tough decisions and drafting well. Beane will have to role out of contracts with certain players going forward and lett them hit the FA or try to trade those guys for something. LOL, there is going to be a lot of moaning and groaning in the next couple of years on this board as some of these players leave. The one difference I truly am banking on is that the "process" brings in players that have the success of the team as important as their own success. An example of what I mean is what Tre said in his presser yesterday. He is happy to say that for one moment his was the highest paid CB in the league. He didn't need to "reset" the CB market (like Hopkins just did). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: His Arizona contract will be 5 years 94m That makes more sense 18.8 million aav puts it under Thomas by a big number (Of course Hopkins is older and had more years remaining.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, NoSaint said: to be fair, for Arizona it’s now a 5 year 94m deal so 17 vs 18 per. You bring up a good point about a lot of contracts that are results of trades. I think too many fans get hung up on "average" money per year and things like that. Both Hopkins and Diggs remaining money on their contracts both seem low but that is only the result of the trade. Hopkins for his last 3 year in Texas was paid 48 million (not cap hit that was his pay). This included that last year of his "cheap" rookie contract. What was left was 3 more years of his 5 year contract of about 13 million each year in cash. Once again my point is this "average" stuff and cap hits taken by the team really doesn't mean to much to the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: You bring up a good point about a lot of contracts that are results of trades. I think too many fans get hung up on "average" money per year and things like that. Both Hopkins and Diggs remaining money on their contracts both seem low but that is only the result of the trade. Hopkins for his last 3 year in Texas was paid 48 million (not cap hit that was his pay). This included that last year of his "cheap" rookie contract. What was left was 3 more years of his 5 year contract of about 13 million each year in cash. Once again my point is this "average" stuff and cap hits taken by the team really doesn't mean to much to the players. for sure. in this case, turning a 3 year into a 5 and giving a little raise just makes the new money look insane when in a vacuum as they are condensing 3 years of the raise plus 2 years of salary into the term “new money” hard to call that a 27m per year contract though 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: for sure. in this case, turning a 3 year into a 5 and giving a little raise just makes the new money look insane when in a vacuum as they are condensing 3 years of the raise plus 2 years of salary into the term “new money” hard to call that a 27m per year contract though So very true. All that being said a GM has to also add in the "cost" of what the trade draft picks are worth. All these parameters are so much more complex than what the average fan thinks of. Some GMs are good at it and some are not, just like any other worker in life. Personally I find it fascinating and a very complex aspect of NFL football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 1 hour ago, TheElectricCompany said: I love Diggs, but there is a wide gap between Deandre Hopkins and him. Wrong. Hopkins is solid but he is not spectacular. Diggs has more upside because he is more athletic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: So very true. All that being said a GM has to also add in the "cost" of what the trade draft picks are worth. All these parameters are so much more complex than what the average fan thinks of. Some GMs are good at it and some are not, just like any other worker in life. Personally I find it fascinating and a very complex aspect of NFL football. yup- weighing a trade can be a lot of factors. in this case the (albeit low) draft pick and what they could’ve spent the money on in free agency. Many fans weigh one or the other. hopkins vs a pick and a premiere free agent (or two good ones) here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think most of you are missing the point. Or perhaps I am overly focused on one thing. The man renegotiated or negotiated depending on your take, this contract himself. No agent, no % going to anyone but himself. That is my mind is pretty impressive. Not only is he an exceptional WR, he is a deal maker. Congrats DeAndre....well played sir. $42.75 MILLION bucks at signing...GUARANTEED.........amazeballs! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Hopkins has 830 targets over the past 5 seasons to Diggs' 534. Diggs will never get the volume in our offense to get very close to Hopkins' numbers. He'll probably get a new deal at some point, but nowhere near what Hopkins got. Hopefully he enjoys winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 What % does a agent usually bank that makes Hoppys take home pay even more since he did it himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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