Melvin Ingram III trade scenarios - Bills mentioned

[Alphadawg7]

Saw this article and did a search on the board and nothing came up.  So thought I would share it.

 

Ingram situation is interesting given a lot of teams cant afford to trade for him if LAC were to decide to move him.  

 

This articles lists Bills second behind the Pats as a possible trade partner.  Curious what you guys would think of this trade they are proposing...

 

Melvin Ingram III and a 7th round pick for Ty Nsheke and a 5th round pick.  

 

Damn, our D would be nasty...I do like Ty though and his versatility.  Its interesting though because Ingram is in the last year of his deal.  He wants a new deal, so I personally do not think Beane is going to be interested in this given his age of 31, wanting a new deal, and having our own players we still need to resign over the next couple of years.  But, that being said, I think we could afford to trade Ty if it brought back an impact player like this and our already sick defense would get even better.  

 

I think its not a realistic scenario personally for the reasons I already stated, but certainly would be an exciting one if Beane did manage to pull a trade off for him.  

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905243-potential-trade-packages-landing-spots-for-chargers-holdout-melvin-ingram-iii

Edited August 21, 2020 by Alphadawg7

[GunnerBill]

No more 30 plus edge players FFS.

[SCBills]

Hard pass.  Given the possibility of Ford moving inside to RG and the fact we already have a strong DL, I’m not sure why we’d move Nsehke for a guy like Ingram.  
 

If we’re trying to upgrade the DL and willing to pay someone, go young and trade for Ngakoue. 

[Malazan]

Pass.

[Alphadawg7]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

No more 30 plus edge players FFS.

 

I dont disagree with this...but at 31, if we had him for just this season or even a 2 year extension, I think he would still have a high level of production to go with our other 2 young LB's.  Again, I was never proposing we make the trade, nor do I even think it would ever happen anyway.  And the reasons I mentioned it wouldn't happen were age and money.  

 

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Hard pass.  Given the possibility of Ford moving inside to RG and the fact we already have a strong DL, I’m not sure why we’d move Nsehke for a guy like Ingram.  
 

If we’re trying to upgrade the DL and willing to pay someone, go young and trade for Ngakoue. 

 

Ingram is an outside LB though, so we would field Edmunds, Milano and Ingram potentially if this trade happened (which I do not think it ever will like I said in my original post).

 

6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Pass.

 

I most likely would too, although adding him to Edmunds and Milano for this season would certainly make the defense on paper look like the best in the NFL.  But for me, the offense is the most important side of the ball, and I like Ty a lot and his versatility.  So I think ultimately I would probably pass too unless we could bring in Ingram for just the 5th round pick.

[Putin]

11 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

Pass.

+1

[Brennan Huff]

I’m on board. Get it done OBD. The way I see it, we have a 3 year window to win NOW. Add as much talent as you can

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I dont disagree with this...but at 31, if we had him for just this season or even a 2 year extension, I think he would still have a high level of production to go with our other 2 young LB's.  Again, I was never proposing we make the trade, nor do I even think it would ever happen anyway.  And the reasons I mentioned it wouldn't happen were age and money.  

 

 

Ingram is an outside LB though, so we would field Edmunds, Milano and Ingram potentially if this trade happened (which I do not think it ever will like I said in my original post).

 

 

I most likely would too, although adding him to Edmunds and Milano for this season would certainly make the defense on paper look like the best in the NFL.  But for me, the offense is the most important side of the ball, and I like Ty a lot and his versatility.  So I think ultimately I would probably pass too unless we could bring in Ingram for just the 5th round pick.

 

I suppose they could try him in the sort of hybrid role they used Zo in during 2018 and 2019 (that they actually stumbled across almost by accident in the Jaguars playoff game). He isn't gonna come here and play as an orthodox 3rd linebacker in a 43 base though. He doesn't have the game to do that. My instinct is in our system he is a defensive end. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by GunnerBill

[Victory Formation]

No

[BullBuchanan]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Saw this article and did a search on the board and nothing came up.  So thought I would share it.

 

Ingram situation is interesting given a lot of teams cant afford to trade for him if LAC were to decide to move him.  

 

This articles lists Bills second behind the Pats as a possible trade partner.  Curious what you guys would think of this trade they are proposing...

 

Melvin Ingram III and a 7th round pick for Ty Nsheke and a 5th round pick.  

 

Damn, our D would be nasty...I do like Ty though and his versatility.  Its interesting though because Ingram is in the last year of his deal.  He wants a new deal, so I personally do not think Beane is going to be interested in this given his age of 31, wanting a new deal, and having our own players we still need to resign over the next couple of years.  But, that being said, I think we could afford to trade Ty if it brought back an impact player like this and our already sick defense would get even better.  

 

I think its not a realistic scenario personally for the reasons I already stated, but certainly would be an exciting one if Beane did manage to pull a trade off for him.  

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905243-potential-trade-packages-landing-spots-for-chargers-holdout-melvin-ingram-iii

I love the idea if the staff feels like Josh is going to be a top 5 QB in the AFC. Ty Nsheke is probably playing in his last few seasons of pro ball, and his last year of his contract, and I don't think our success as a team hinges on him being here. getting 7-10 more sacks however could very well be the difference

Edited August 21, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[DrDawkinstein]

He's a 3/4 Rush OLB, that means he's a DE in our defense. Heck, he's listed as a DE on the Chargers site. We're good on 30+ year old DEs.

[BullBuchanan]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He's a 3/4 Rush OLB, that means he's a DE in our defense. Heck, he's listed as a DE on the Chargers site. We're good on 30+ year old DEs.

Why? Outside of Hughes and Addison, what have they done lately?

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

He's a 3/4 Rush OLB, that means he's a DE in our defense. Heck, he's listed as a DE on the Chargers site. We're good on 30+ year old DEs.

 

Yea I think he would have to be. Like I said above they did do a good job of creating a kind of hybrid role for Zo to play linebacker while only ever moving vertically and not laterally and maybe Ingram could do that. But to me in this system Ingram is a defensive end. 

1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:

Why? Outside of Hughes and Addison, what have they done lately?

 

I think the point is we want fewer old d ends not more. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BullBuchanan said:

Why? Outside of Hughes and Addison, what have they done lately?

 

2 is enough. Plus, Murphy will be 30 before the season is done.

 

Need to start nailing that position down for the future. Epenesa is a good start.

[BullBuchanan]

 

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I think he would have to be. Like I said above they did do a good job of creating a kind of hybrid role for Zo to play linebacker while only ever moving vertically and not laterally and maybe Ingram could do that. But to me in this system Ingram is a defensive end. 

 

I think the point is we want fewer old d ends not more. 

30-32 isn't old. You can still put up prime numbers as a full time D end. I'm not saying you sign him to a 10 year deal, but you sign him for 3 with the intent of keeping him 2, and I'm fine with that. If one of the kids wants his job, let them take it.

Edited August 21, 2020 by BullBuchanan

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Epenesa isn't a pass rusher.

30-32 isn't old. You can still put up prime numbers as a full time D end. I'm not saying you sign him to a 10 year deal, but you sign him for 3 with the intent of keeping him 2, and I'm fine with that. If one of the kids wants his job, let them take it.

 

When the wall hits for pass rushers it hit quick as a rule. I did a breakdown on it last offseason before Hughes re-signed. I didn't love that deal either. If the Bills want to strengthen the position there are better options than another 30 plus

[HappyDays]

Another potential option:

 

 

[Rc2catch]

I wouldn’t care if they traded Nsekhe for him. Both are older. I wouldn’t want to give him a contract though. Play out your last year on another top defense and get your payday next year. If I had to guess the chargers would need Nsekhe a lot more than we need Ingram. If I had to guess Nsekhe would be the starting left tackle for them, I’ve never heard of the guy they have listed at starter. 
Either way it’s probably all just smoke. And as much as I hate it Ingram would be a much better fit on the Pats defense than ours. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, HappyDays said:

Another potential option:

 

 

 

This guy, AGAIN??

 

Didnt we lose out on him last year?

[billsfan89]

With the addition of AJ I am OK with what the team has. Murphy as a rotational DE is fine, Hughes and Addision are good starters and AJ comes in and adds depth. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Didn't he report to camp?  I'm personally not trying to bring in a guy on an expiring deal - unless he reports.  And i don't personally want an extension with him either so it doesn't really make sense.

 

Also - don't move the swing tackle unless you're really confident in daryl williams injury recovery and ability to play tackle.

[brianthomas]

At first glance i thought this was Melvin Gordon again, even tho he's with Denver now, we've just seen so many of those trade rumors over the years where we're mentioned again & again with him haha.

Melvin Ingram tho, thats different & he is more enticing to me if i were the GM. I know the Chargers want Oline help, but i wonder if something else could make it work. They can take Murphy &/or some other oline depth not named Ty if that'll do it. I think Ingram would be a great signing for a year or 2 & would be all for it.

Like others have said, i'd prefer we improve the offense but when opportunity knocks, u always gotta open that door to see whats there.

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Also - don't move the swing tackle unless you're really confident in daryl williams injury recovery and ability to play tackle.

 

I have all the confidence in the world in Williams to play right tackle. I actually don't think Ty can play right tackle very well. But Ty is a considerably better left tackle. And my take on backup oline is you always start with the best guy you have to backup at LT and the best guy you have to backup at centre. Work out swings etc from there.

[MJS]

That seems wildly irresponsible to me. Don't see Beane doing that.

 

Especially since it's our OFFENSE that needs help, not our defense. And the weak part of our offense is the oline. It got better last year but it is still below average.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Ziggy looks slow and his burst has definitely diminished. For the right price he might be a solid goal line DE and DT on passing downs. 
 

Ziggy probably is not the Ansah. 

[Nester]

Hard no,

 

Old and uphappy? We dont want that, also we are going to extend him so whats the point?

[Don Otreply]

How does making the O line group weaker benefit the Bills? If anything we need more/ better O line help, not less, it’s a silly idea. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

48 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have all the confidence in the world in Williams to play right tackle. I actually don't think Ty can play right tackle very well. But Ty is a considerably better left tackle. And my take on backup oline is you always start with the best guy you have to backup at LT and the best guy you have to backup at centre. Work out swings etc from there.

 

Thats a fair take.  Williams has more experience at RG.  Just depends whos starting where - you can't think about moving people without knowing who's even starting.

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Thats a fair take.  Williams has more experience at RG.  Just depends whos starting where - you can't think about moving people without knowing who's even starting.

 

Than RT? He doesn't. Not at the NFL level at least. He started 10 games in 2016 and all 16 games in 2017 (when he was a 2nd team all pro) at right tackle. He missed 2018 and played all over the place in 2019. 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, brianthomas said:

At first glance i thought this was Melvin Gordon again, even tho he's with Denver now, we've just seen so many of those trade rumors over the years where we're mentioned again & again with him haha.

Melvin Ingram tho, thats different & he is more enticing to me if i were the GM. I know the Chargers want Oline help, but i wonder if something else could make it work. They can take Murphy &/or some other oline depth not named Ty if that'll do it. I think Ingram would be a great signing for a year or 2 & would be all for it.

Like others have said, i'd prefer we improve the offense but when opportunity knocks, u always gotta open that door to see whats there.

I think you hand the ball off to Singletary and Moss and let them pound the rock. We have two young promising backs, no need to constipate the RB room. Singletary can probably handle 250 touches or more and Moss could probably handle 300 or thereabout and they’re also a lot cheaper. Unless there is an injury or something I feel we are in a good spot at RB. I saw on NFL.com that they had Singletary as the 16th best RB in the NFL and that’s as a rook. He could easily crack the top 10 this year and Moss won’t be far behind him.

[1st&ten]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea I think he would have to be. Like I said above they did do a good job of creating a kind of hybrid role for Zo to play linebacker while only ever moving vertically and not laterally and maybe Ingram could do that. But to me in this system Ingram is a defensive end. 

 

I think the point is we want fewer old d ends not more. 

 

And Zo didn't break the bank, he was a bargain for his age.

[17islongenough]

2 hours ago, dneveu said:

Didn't he report to camp?  I'm personally not trying to bring in a guy on an expiring deal - unless he reports.  And i don't personally want an extension with him either so it doesn't really make sense.

 

Also - don't move the swing tackle unless you're really confident in daryl williams injury recovery and ability to play tackle.

He reported but he's doing a hold in where he's not participating. He's there so he won't get fined

[brianthomas]

24 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I think you hand the ball off to Singletary and Moss and let them pound the rock. We have two young promising backs, no need to constipate the RB room. Singletary can probably handle 250 touches or more and Moss could probably handle 300 or thereabout and they’re also a lot cheaper. Unless there is an injury or something I feel we are in a good spot at RB. I saw on NFL.com that they had Singletary as the 16th best RB in the NFL and that’s as a rook. He could easily crack the top 10 this year and Moss won’t be far behind him.

I think u misunderstood what i wrote lol. And yeah we're set with Singletary & Moss

The Melvin Ingram trade talk is probably over now. He signed an adjusted contract with the Chargers so he'll be staying now https://www.nfl.com/news/melvin-ingram-signed-adjusted-contract-before-returning-to-chargers-practice

Edited August 21, 2020 by brianthomas

[eball]

27 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

no need to constipate the RB room

 

Phrase of the day

[NewEra]

From the sounds of it, our OL is getting destroyed by our DL in practice.  We might want to keep our best swing depth tackle. Might even be our best tackle when he’s playing his best.  
 

it most cases I’d love to make this trade.  Not this year.  Our OL really needs to help josh make that next step.  I dunno if it’s good enough 

[eball]

29 minutes ago, NewEra said:

From the sounds of it, our OL is getting destroyed by our DL in practice.  We might want to keep our best swing depth tackle. Might even be our best tackle when he’s playing his best.  
 

it most cases I’d love to make this trade.  Not this year.  Our OL really needs to help josh make that next step.  I dunno if it’s good enough 

 

Don’t fall into that trap.  There are good players and good depth on that OL.  Our DL is a friggin’ beast.

[MrEpsYtown]

Ingram is a very good player, but really not what these guys look for as prototype edge players. Short arms, kind of a guy without a position here imo. 

[WickedGame]

Point of clarification: Something that appears on Bleacher Report is not called “an article.” It’s called “speculation,” or alternatively “lifelong amateur’s opinion.” Please feel free to use either of the approved labels. 

[Alphadawg7]

21 minutes ago, WickedGame said:

Point of clarification: Something that appears on Bleacher Report is not called “an article.” It’s called “speculation,” or alternatively “lifelong amateur’s opinion.” Please feel free to use either of the approved labels. 

 

What about the OP suggested it was anything other than speculation.  Wasn't even called a rumor...just said Bills mentioned and asked people what they thought about the authors suggested trade idea.  

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

That seems wildly irresponsible to me. Don't see Beane doing that.

 

Especially since it's our OFFENSE that needs help, not our defense. And the weak part of our offense is the oline. It got better last year but it is still below average.

Wildly irresponsible sounds wildly dramatic.

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Don’t fall into that trap.  There are good players and good depth on that OL.  Our DL is a friggin’ beast.

Also 5 minutes in the d line should look better, with less coordination required