On the topic or extensions and contracts. Who’s next, and when?

[Don Otreply]

We got Dion and Sean locked up, so who’s next? Is it Milano, Tre, or Beane, I’m thinking Milano within two weeks, what’s y’all’s opinion?

 

Go Bills!!!

[DrDawkinstein]

Agree that Milano makes the most sense to be next. Especially now that he knows he'll be playing for McD and in McD's scheme through his next contract.

 

Tre next year, and then Beane right after as a reward.

[boater]

I don't see a crisis to lock up Milano.

 

Good LTs (Dawkins) are hard to find = lockup the one you have

 

Great LBs (Edmunds) are hardest to find = lock up the one you have

 

Good LBs (Milano) are not hard to find = pursue him when the contract is up

[Virgil]

Milano. If they have the cap room left take a shot at Tre

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Agree that Milano makes the most sense to be next. Especially now that he knows he'll be playing for McD and in McD's scheme through his next contract.

 

Tre next year, and then Beane right after as a reward.

Tre’ for sure. 
 

I guess someone asked and Beane said he expects he will get extended at some point down the road 

[MJS]

No way Tre gets signed this year. The longer he waits the bigger his price tag becomes, so his agent will likely be advising him to wait.

 

And he has the 5th year option too, so we could even potentially wait two more years.

 

My guess is Beane is next. I think they'll wait till after the season to resign Milano.

[BillsCuse]

1 minute ago, boater said:

I don't see a crisis to lock up Milano.

 

Good LTs (Dawkins) are hard to find = lockup the one you have

 

Great LBs (Edmunds) are hardest to find = lock up the one you have

 

Good LBs (Milano) are not hard to find = pursue him when the contract is up

This.  If some of the projections are correct (around 12-13 million per season)  I would pass to be honest.   He is a good player, but you pay other positions first.  He can be replaced

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, BillsCuse said:

This.  If some of the projections are correct (around 12-13 million per season)  I would pass to be honest.   He is a good player, but you pay other positions first.  He can be replaced

 

$12-13M?!?!? Oh helllllll no

 

I'd give him Trent Murphy money though. 3 year extension/$21M

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

No way Tre gets signed this year. The longer he waits the bigger his price tag becomes, so his agent will likely be advising him to wait.

 

And he has the 5th year option too, so we could even potentially wait two more years.

 

My guess is Beane is next. I think they'll wait till after the season to resign Milano.

Agreed.  Beane next and see what happens this year with Milano.
 

 I love Milano, I just don’t know if they plan on paying 2 LBs 15+ mill a year.  I’m hoping that money just doesn’t matter too much based on his minimalistic life and he’ll take a discount to play next to Edmunds for his career.   He’s good but he’s not good enough vs the run to make 14-15 mill a year imo.  The market suggests that he is though.

 

White should be next offseason.  

[John from Riverside]

Edmunds needs to be the next priority

[BarleyNY]

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/
 

There’s a link to Spotrac’s yearly cap hits by positions and players.  Scroll down for players.  Dawkins should be priority #1 and it’s not really close.  That’s because he will be a FA after this season and using a tag on him will inflate his price.  The Bills should be working on an extension for Tre as well.  He is even more important than Dawkins but his option year in 2021 gives us more time.

Edited August 13, 2020 by BarleyNY

[IgotBILLStopay]

Tre 5 yrs 80-85 mill is likely next. Milano is a tricky one - he is great for us - but may not do so well in another system - so how much do you pay him? I think we will likely come with a 4yr 52-60 million extension for him as well. So I am going to guess the order will be:

 

1. Tre 2. Milano 3. Beane and then we are done. No hurry to extend Allen / Edmunds till next offseason.

Edited August 13, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay

[BarleyNY]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Edmunds needs to be the next priority

I can’t imagine why you think that.  He’s shown flashes to be sure and his upside is huge, but he’s got to clean up a lot too.  He’s missed run fits and coverage assignments too often to really commit to long term.  He’s young and that can certainly all come together in the next season or two.  Then he should get extended or a new deal. 
 

Oh, I haven’t even mentioned that he is not even eligible to have his deal extended until after this season is over.  So there’s that. 

[Gambit]

13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Edmunds needs to be the next priority

You realize he was drafted the same year as Allen? 

[BarleyNY]

51 minutes ago, boater said:

I don't see a crisis to lock up Milano.

 

Good LTs (Dawkins) are hard to find = lockup the one you have

 

Great LBs (Edmunds) are hardest to find = lock up the one you have

 

Good LBs (Milano) are not hard to find = pursue him when the contract is up

Agree on Dawkins and Milano.  Edmunds is a ways away though.  My opinion is above.  He can’t have his contract extended until after this season is over anyway.  As @Gambit said, he was drafted the same year as Allen.  Unless Allen flames out and we are parting ways, I‘m not extending my MLB before my QB.

 

I’d really like to hold onto Milano, but I don’t see spending large on two LBs.  I barely like the idea of spending big on one.  Just like safeties, only do that for the very special ones - and only one at a time.  Let Milano test the market after this season and set his price.  If it’s not too bad, then maybe we can keep him.  If he gets paid big, then good for him.

Edited August 13, 2020 by BarleyNY

[eball]

No incentive for Tre to sign an extension now.  Milano should get done, and of course Beane.

[BarleyNY]

One additional point of concern is the OL moving forward.  Take a look at the Spotrac link above and scroll to the OL section.  We are not set up to have much of an OL in 2021 at this point.  Morse (very good starter), Spain (okay starter) and then Ford (sketchy starter) is it except for developmental players.

 

Signing Dawkins to an extension now makes putting together a quality OL next season very workable.  I see real problems - or a franchise tag - if we don’t.  Dawkins is a good player, but I don’t think he is worth a contract based off of a franchise number.  I don’t want us to go down that road and have to decide between overpaying him by a fair bit or losing him.  As bad as that would be, letting him play out his deal and hit FA would probably be worse.  We’d be in a bad negotiating position and we’d have to contend with other teams bidding up his price.  Quite possibly we’d lose him to one of them, especially if he feels slighted by not getting an extension from us. Just extend him now and focus on filling the OL out in the offseason. 

Edited August 13, 2020 by BarleyNY

[John from Riverside]

I forgot about the years thing with Edmunds.....I think he absolutely is a priority though

 

Anything that prevents us from locking up Edmunds, T. WHite, and Allen I am against.....if we can fit Milano under that and sign him great.....if not.....draft

[billsbackto81]

27 minutes ago, Gambit said:

You realize he was drafted the same year as Allen? 

This^^^. If Josh shows he's the "real deal" this season Edmunds will most likely get tagged. Milano has expressed love for Buffalo and will most likely accept a "fair" contract along the lines of Dion's. I see a 9-10 Mil per in his future. If Phillips and Lawson can draw 10 per from other teams then Milano certainly should as well.

[John from Riverside]

35 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I can’t imagine why you think that.  He’s shown flashes to be sure and his upside is huge, but he’s got to clean up a lot too.  He’s missed run fits and coverage assignments too often to really commit to long term.  He’s young and that can certainly all come together in the next season or two.  Then he should get extended or a new deal. 
 

Oh, I haven’t even mentioned that he is not even eligible to have his deal extended until after this season is over.  So there’s that. 

Edmunds has gotten better every year, he is good now, and his ceiling doesnt look to have been touched.  He absolutely needs to be re upped when the time comes.

[Brennan Huff]

1 hour ago, boater said:

I don't see a crisis to lock up Milano.

 

Good LTs (Dawkins) are hard to find = lockup the one you have

 

Great LBs (Edmunds) are hardest to find = lock up the one you have

 

Good LBs (Milano) are not hard to find = pursue him when the contract is up

I agree. Don’t break the bank on Milano

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, boater said:

I don't see a crisis to lock up Milano.

 

Good LTs (Dawkins) are hard to find = lockup the one you have

 

Great LBs (Edmunds) are hardest to find = lock up the one you have

 

Good LBs (Milano) are not hard to find = pursue him when the contract is up

I have to disagree with you on Milano.  It might not be a popular opinion but he's shown me more to this point than Edmunds has (not to say Edmunds is not doing his job).  I think Milano has the EXACT DNA this team thrives on and he has such a nose for the ball.

[Kirby Jackson]

44 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Tre 5 yrs 80-85 mill is likely next. Milano is a tricky one - he is great for us - but may not do so well in another system - so how much do you pay him? I think we will likely come with a 4yr 52-60 million extension for him as well. So I am going to guess the order will be:

 

1. Tre 2. Milano 3. Beane and then we are done. No hurry to extend Allen / Edmunds till next offseason.

Tre is going to be a $20M a year CB IMO. The conversation probably starts at 5 years & $85M which would make him the highest paid CB in the league. I think it is north of that though by the time he signs. 

[muppy]

Brandon Beane and then Edmonds. Both key top level performers one in the office the other on the field. 

[IgotBILLStopay]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Tre is going to be a $20M a year CB IMO. The conversation probably starts at 5 years & $85M which would make him the highest paid CB in the league. I think it is north of that though by the time he signs. 

Slay with 16.683 mill AAV and Jones with 16.5 AAV are the current record holders. Jones has current CB record at 5 yrs 82,5 mill, no? yes Tre will likely set a record but it wont go up by 3 mill a year. usual trend is for the player to beat it by about 0.5 - 1 mill. Also Bills in no hurry since there is a 5th year option. So Tre will likely give in a little to secure his future - I think they will come in at 5 yrs 80-85 mill not 5 yrs 100 mill if there is an extension this offseason. 

 

But of course I have been known to be wrong. a lot:)

[Ethan in Cleveland]

32 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

I have to disagree with you on Milano.  It might not be a popular opinion but he's shown me more to this point than Edmunds has (not to say Edmunds is not doing his job).  I think Milano has the EXACT DNA this team thrives on and he has such a nose for the ball.

This will sound odd but hear me out. Milano has outplayed Edmunds so far. But Edmunds is the more critical piece and more difficult to replace player. My guess is they would have little trouble replacing Milano, maybe even with a player on the roster. However replacing a sideline to sideline dynamic MLB for this offense would be very hard. If Edmunds gets better he is the player that should get paid even if that means Milano walks.

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

This will sound odd but hear me out. Milano has outplayed Edmunds so far. But Edmunds is the more critical piece and more difficult to replace player. My guess is they would have little trouble replacing Milano, maybe even with a player on the roster. However replacing a sideline to sideline dynamic MLB for this offense would be very hard. If Edmunds gets better he is the player that should get paid even if that means Milano walks.

I can see this.  I just hope we can keep both.

[IgotBILLStopay]

53 minutes ago, eball said:

No incentive for Tre to sign an extension now.  Milano should get done, and of course Beane.

 

I think you mean "No incentive for Beane to sign Tre to an extension" since the Bills hold the 5th year option. Because Tre has all the incentives to secure his future with multi-generation life changing money - why do you think Ramsey / Adams etc. are acting like spoilt children? They want their Brinks trucks now.

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Slay with 16.683 mill AAV and Jones with 16.5 AAV are the current record holders. Jones has current CB record at 5 yrs 82,5 mill, no? yes Tre will likely set a record but it wont go up by 3 mill a year. usual trend is for the player to beat it by about 0.5 - 1 mill. Also Bills in no hurry since there is a 5th year option. So Tre will likely give in a little to secure his future - I think they will come in at 5 yrs 80-85 mill not 5 yrs 100 mill if there is an extension this offseason. 

 

But of course I have been known to be wrong. a lot:)

He will not sign for less than Slay. I can guarantee that. He will set the market or he won’t sign. I also don’t think Tre or his agent view Byron Jones as a similar player. He won’t be taking less than “highest paid CB in the league.” The optics are a part of that. I also think we’ve seen some outlier contracts as recently as this week with Kittle. I’ll be surprised if Tre’s AAV is under $18M and I think it’s ends up at $20M. I don’t think that he signs until then. By that point though, Humphrey may have reset the market or someone else. The price is just continuing to go up.

9 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

I think you mean "No incentive for Beane to sign Tre to an extension" since the Bills hold the 5th year option. Because Tre has all the incentives to secure his future with multi-generation life changing money - why do you think Ramsey / Adams etc. are acting like spoilt children? They want their Brinks trucks now.

The Bills have a ton of incentive to sign Tre now. His price isn’t dropping. The price that the Bills could get Tre for now is the lowest it will be.

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He will not sign for less than Slay. I can guarantee that. He will set the market or he won’t sign. I also don’t think Tre or his agent view Byron Jones as a similar player. He won’t be taking less than “highest paid CB in the league.” The optics are a part of that. I also think we’ve seen some outlier contracts as recently as this week with Kittle. I’ll be surprised if Tre’s AAV is under $18M and I think it’s ends up at $20M. I don’t think that he signs until then. By that point though, Humphrey may have reset the market or someone else. The price is just continuing to go up.

The Bills have a ton of incentive to sign Tre now. His price isn’t dropping. The price that the Bills could get Tre for now is the lowest it will be.

They absolutely will and should make him the highest paid CB when he signs, the question is whether his agent will wait until after those other guys - slay, Ramsay, Lattimore, sign or not. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I really hope it’s Tre and we can just have him locked for him prime. Not expecting it but hoping 

[atlbillsfan1975]

I would not be surprised either way when it comes to Milano. I could see Beane trying to lock him up on a fair value contract like Dawkins got for his position. McDermott always had two good linebackers in Carolina in Davis and Keuchly. 
I can Also see Beane waiting to see how Milano holds up physically this year. Matt got a little dinged up last year. I like Milano and would love to have him back, his size concerns me a little bit the more years he plays. 
I trust Beane and McDermott to know what’s right with the D. 

[ganesh]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Edmunds needs to be the next priority

It should be Tre.   Both  Josh and Tre have 5th year option being former 1st round picks,

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, ganesh said:

It should be Tre.   Both  Josh and Tre have 5th year option being former 1st round picks,

Same with Edmunds

[KD in CA]

Can't go soon enough on Beane....as with Coach this is a non-cap thing so no need to worry about timing.   I'm sure those conversations are well underway.

 

As for players, certainly Tre would be the next priority if they can lock him down now.   As others have said, Milano needs to be at the right price.  He's not a guy you break the bank for.   Hopefully this team ends up with six big $ players:  Tre, Dawkins, Edmunds, Allen, Oliver and Diggs.  Everyone else fills in around them at a reasonable price.

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Edmunds has gotten better every year, he is good now, and his ceiling doesnt look to have been touched.  He absolutely needs to be re upped when the time comes.

I expect that he will deserve to be extended when the time comes, but I also think that a lot of fans have gotten a little ahead of themselves.  Flash plays?  Yup.  Talent and raw physical ability?  Big time.  Consistency with the mental side of the game?  No, not yet.  Edmunds is still very young so I expect that to clean up - and if/when it does then I expect him to be one of the top few LBs in the league.  He has enough potential to even be the best of his era.  But he just isn’t quite there yet and it’s a mistake to simply assume that it will happen, especially if that means tying up a lot of cap space for several years on him.  All I’m saying is let him earn it before giving him credit for earning it (along with the contract).  I think he will and he has time. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

4 hours ago, boater said:

I don't see a crisis to lock up Milano.

 

Good LTs (Dawkins) are hard to find = lockup the one you have

 

Great LBs (Edmunds) are hardest to find = lock up the one you have

 

Good LBs (Milano) are not hard to find = pursue him when the contract is up

 

If Allan became a total flop this season and they likely are going to re-start at QB, then likely plenty of money to go around.  But  assuming Allen works out likely they can't resign all these guys.  And then Milano may become the odd man out.  One theory is they will be looking closely at the LB who was on IR last season, (Was Joseph his last name?) if he works out, then maybe Milano isn't resigned.  So maybe they wait until after the season to decide whether to sign him, also by then would have a much better idea on what the cap will actually be next year.

[billsfan714]

Evil Bill always seems to want a shutdown corner. I say lock Tre up now.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

who doesn't want this long term?

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, Brennan Huff said:

I agree. Don’t break the bank on Milano

I don’t think anyone is saying roll up the Brinks truck, just a warranted extension and money will be fine. I think MM would accept a modest offer, that and Resigning MM keeps Sean and the D from having to recreate continuity at the position, that in itself has value, jmo. 
 

Go Bills!!!