McDermott contract extension

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

PPG could be deflated by play style. But I agree the offense was not a top half of the league offense let alone an elite one. If I had to rank the offense last season it wouldn't be tragic but it would probably be 17-20ish and if you have a top 3-4 defense you probably are going to lean on that to get your team some wins. I hope with the additions of Diggs and Moss along with progression in Josh and Singletary (along with O-line chemistry) the team can knock on having a top 10 offense which should give them a good shot to win playoff games if the defense can be about as good as it was last season.

 

I'm not saying that there isn't room for improvement ...

 

Just rolling with the good news 

 

[Warcodered]

 

[billsfan89]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I've bitched about the "play style" offensively all year..... guess who's call that is? 

 

Sorry to clarify by play style I meant situational play. If the team finds its self nursing leads late in games and not playing from behind then they are going to play a ball control style of offense that grinds the clock down and doesn't score points late in games. The defense kept almost every single game close to the point where teams weren't giving up garbage time points that often inflate PPG stats for bad teams. The offense was slightly below average because the O-line had been completely overhauled with 4 new starters, Josh had his growing pains and there were only two quality NFL receivers to throw to. The play calling can always be better but that wasn't the thing holding back a top 10 offense. 

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

You could argue that... I'd say more so top 10 defensive coach then overall head coach.... he's got to prove more as a HC to be there, IMO.

 

 

 

Of course he has more to prove. He's been a HC for all of 3 years. And now he'll have a chacne to prove it.

 

And for what it's worth, I'm not the only one to feel that way...

 

(from late December)

[Buff76ers]

Buffalo is no longer a laughing stock.  Great GM, Great HC, Great Owners, Great Team!!!!

[Bronxbomber21]

1 hour ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

It was ME!

 

Wow how thing have changed that was the whole playbook back then and in his pocket 

[eball]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

And how much  $ a year ??

 

Must be peanuts because everyone knows the Pegulas are going broke.

 

But seriously...why do you care?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

Yes. So is Wins and Losses and making the playoffs.

 

But I'm not going to sit and argue with you to just ruin good news 

 

Who is arguing?  It’s just conversation.  Im repeatedly said I think he is a good coach.  But it’s worth pointing out that our offense has kinda sucked since he’s been here.  But now, there are no excuses.

 

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Of course he has more to prove. He's been a HC for all of 3 years. And now he'll have a chacne to prove it.

 

And for what it's worth, I'm not the only one to feel that way...

 

(from late December)

He’s well deserved on that list but there have probably been so coaches on that list that would be laughable now (Rex haha).

[krf139]

I'm a big fan, but this is a big commitment for a guy who hasn't won a playoff game and who's team massively collapsed in the Wild Card game last year.  All for stability, but may have given it one more year before doing this.

[eball]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You could argue that... I'd say more so top 10 defensive coach then overall head coach.... he's got to prove more as a HC to be there, IMO.

 

 

 

You're right.  I mean, taking a team to the playoffs that hadn't been there in 17 seasons twice in three years really only says, "I need to see more."

[C.Biscuit97]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You could argue that... I'd say more so top 10 defensive coach then overall head coach.... he's got to prove more as a HC to be there, IMO.

 

 

And that’s what great head coaches do.  Obviously they have their strong suit on one side of the ball.  But it’s becoming an overseer of the whole team.  
 

and if Allen is legit, McDermott will look great. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

2 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Must be peanuts because everyone knows the Pegulas are going broke.

 

But seriously...why do you care?

They get their oil rigs changed at quick lube

[Doc]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

When was the last one?  

 

Chicken or egg?  Most teams lock-up their promising GMs and HCs before they allow there to be a bidding war.

 

And again, so much for this article, much less the thread that accompanied it (I won't link to it).  Nice work by Timmuh, as usual.

 

[MAJBobby]

Nice 6 year extension.  Under contract though 2025

[Seasons1992]

20 minutes ago, Bronxbomber21 said:

Wow how thing have changed that was the whole playbook back then and in his pocket 

 

The playbook was "Trent, dump it off, and make sure we're able to punt on 4th down."

[BuffaloMatt]

Damn. I was hoping the fat ass Doublemint Ryan twins would come back. 

Just now, BuffaloMatt said:

Damn. I was hoping the fat ass Doublemint Ryan twins would come back. 

Poor Bike

[Warcodered]

 

[C.Biscuit97]

32 minutes ago, eball said:

 

You're right.  I mean, taking a team to the playoffs that hadn't been there in 17 seasons twice in three years really only says, "I need to see more."

Isn’t that more of a product of extremely low expectations?  Like someone who has had sex in 17 years is going to think anyone who sleeps with is amazing.  
 

this is where some fans divide.  There are some fans who never criticize anything and praise everything the team does.  There are some fans who hate everything and are never happen.  And then there are other fans who see what happens with other teams and higher expectations.  The Bills not making the playoffs is remarkable in an awful way.  Bad teams luck into the playoffs.  The 2017 team was a bad playoff team and McDermott made one of the worst decisions ever with Peterman.  Allen’s rookie year, they understandably take a step back.  Last year, they got fat on a bad schedule and blew a playoff lead.  
 

I’ve said through this that I think McDermott is a good coach but it’s silly to act like he is like Bill Belichick at this point.  It’s like when people criticize Allen for his passing because if you want good QBs play, he is below average.  Should guys like that be celebrated because they are better than other crappy, former Bills?  I don’t think so.  The Bears fires Lovie Smith after going 10-6.  So teams have much higher expectations.  In the nba, I think the New York Knicks is a dream job because they have been so awful than just being average will get a parade.  
 

i think this year should have been the make or break year.  The “process” should be completed and on paper, they have a much, much tougher schedule than last year.  If they regress, it could be a huge red flag.  But it’s not my money and we locked up a top 5 defensive coach so no real worries either way. 

[eball]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

I kinda hope when it comes time to sign Beane that Kim will be willing to give him her president title. That way Beane can be the GM/President. That would not really allow another team to come in and offer him the title at a later point if we were to be doing really well. The Colts were able to snag Polian from the Panthers because they gave him the president title along with GM

 

Sorry, not a lick of this is true.  Irsay traded with the Panthers for Polian.  He gave them a 3rd round pick to allow Polian to leave.

[C.Biscuit97]

31 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Chicken or egg?  Most teams lock-up their promising GMs and HCs before they allow there to be a bidding war.

 

And again, so much for this article, much less the thread that accompanied it (I won't link to it).  Nice work by Timmuh, as usual.

 

I would have seen how this year went and gave them an extension during the season if they deserved it.  But it’s not my money so whatever. 

[eball]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Isn’t that more of a product of extremely low expectations?  Like someone who has had sex in 17 years is going to think anyone who sleeps with is amazing.

 

Umm, no.  It's called taking a completely dysfunctional organization and immediately turning it into one that is now consistently praised throughout the NFL.

[Doc]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

I would have seen how this year went and gave them an extension during the season if they deserved it.  But it’s not my money so whatever. 

 

Of course you would have.  And then if they hadn't, the Bills had a good season and McD walked because he had better offers, you'd be railing on them for not locking him up now.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, eball said:

 

Umm, no.  It's called taking a completely dysfunctional organization and immediately turning it into one that is now consistently praised throughout the NFL.

They won 7,8, and 9 games the 3 years before McDermott.  You act like they took over the winless Browns or Lions.  Also, we can debate how good that talent was, but guys like Sammy (2nd), Tyrod (3rd), Darby (3rd), clearly had value in the league and helped with the “rebuild.”

[eball]

If @ScottLaw and @C.Biscuit97 took their hot takes on McDermott to literally anyone "in the know" in NFL circles they'd be laughed out of the room.  Too funny.

[NobesBLO13]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Dick Jauron was extended three years after the hot start in ‘08. 

That Oakland game was nuts in the lots. We were parked in the main lot across Abbott from the stadium closer to Southwestern. I don’t have the best memory but I remember after the game there was a guy in full Ultimate Warrior Bills style going nuts and a car on fire. Lots of arrests in the lots too. 
Tables would have been minor leagues that day.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Of course you would have.  And then if they hadn't, the Bills had a good season and McD walked because he had better offers, you'd be railing on them for not locking him up now.

 

 

Yeah, this won’t have happened.  Just like it won’t have happened with Jauron (former coach of the year).  Or basically with any coach ever.  
 

 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Yeah, this won’t have happened.  Just like it won’t have happened with Jauron (former coach of the year).  Or basically with any coach ever. 

 

Huh?  First of all, Jauron never took the Bills to the playoffs once, much less twice.  And second, he was extended just 1 year.

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, eball said:

If @ScottLaw and @C.Biscuit97 took their hot takes on McDermott to literally anyone "in the know" in NFL circles they'd be laughed out of the room.  Too funny.

You are the most sensitive human being on the board.  I make a perfectly reasonable post and Instead of countering it (because I’m much smarter than you and you can’t), you try to make it personal.  
 

You loved the Jauron extension.  You love the Fitz extension.  You love everything thing they do.  Which is fine,  you’re Easy money.  But you have no objectivity and are constantly wrong.  
 

And at no point have I once said he wasn’t a good coach. Stop being a soccer mom. 

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I think McD will open things up if he feels he can trust Josh more. Since 2017 when he got here he hasn't had a QB or an offense that has been the team's strength. The defense has always been the strong suit of the team and McD has smartly played to the team's strength to get 2 winning seasons  and 2 playoff appearances. He hasn't really had a QB or an offense that can play "aggressively." I hope that in 2020 with Josh getting another year under him, an O-line with better chemistry and Diggs adding more pop to the skill position set the offense comes together and makes more aggressive play a consistent part of the team's playing style. You should only go conservative when you are up 3 possessions when you have only 3-4 possessions left in the game. McD seemed to go conservative with a 2 score lead fairly early in the second half when the Texans had 6-7 possessions left.

You know what makes a coach be more aggressive?

 

JOB SECURITY

 

Dont be surprised if we have a bolder Mcdermott this year

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Doc said:

 

Huh?  First of all, Jauron never took the Bills to the playoffs once, much less twice.  And second, he was extended just 1 year.

There wasn’t going to be a bidding war.  It’s insane.  But he’s a top 5 defensive coach so I’m good with him.  Now he needs to make the offense much better and he will be a SB type coach and everything will be great. 

[BarleyNY]

53 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Absolutely not.

 

Look around the league. There isnt exactly a ton of coaching options or prospects. Heck, teams are bringing in 1-year college coaches.

 

Without looking through a list, I'd say he's arguably a top 10 HC in the NFL. And I think a LOT of players around the league would agree.

I don’t want to blast those that are saying that McD has things he needs to improve upon - he absolutely does.  But this point is salient.  Does anyone here have him in the bottom half of the league?  I don’t.  Does anyone here think he won’t get a few more seasons under almost any circumstance?  Save a total collapse and losing the team - which is highly unlikely anytime soon - I sure don’t.

 

So if your measure is that our HC needs to be top 5 with an impeccable track record, then you’re almost always going to be disappointed.  Belichick and Reid aren’t looking for a new HC job right now.  Sorry.  While I’ve been disappointed (sometimes very much so) in McD, IMO his overall performance warrants this vote of confidence.  The extension was warranted at this time and he deserves the chance to take this team as far as he can. 

[JGMcD2]

Gosh, some of these posts drive me insane. 
 

The reason you extend McDermott is because it shows faith in the program and the people here. It creates stability and in no way complacency... because until you win it all... you’re fighting every day to do so. That allows McDermott to work knowing he’s got the faith of his bosses. Imagine know your boss truly believed in you... you’d be so much more productive on a day to day basis. It’s scientifically proven. 
 

As for his past decision, yeah there have been some bad ones. But nobody knows the inner workings behind them. He made the decision and he’s learned from all of the bad ones in some way shape or form. Heck, he’s screwed up big time and gotten the team to remain resilient despite his mistakes. The believe in him and they love him. That means more than using a timeout at the right time... the belief and love translates during practice, games, team activities on every play and every minute. That’s what makes the guy special... he has a growth mindset. 
 

I knew he was special and the team was special when Josh + some of the guys and their wives were out and realized it was McDermott’s birthday. They stopped their dinner and sent him a video. There is a genuine love for each other. I don’t think folks realize the importance of feeling like a person in a professional sports organization... especially as a player. They are always looking over their shoulder... to know they’re loved is the most important thing you can provide them. 
 

We have one of the best coaches in the league and he wants to be in Buffalo. He is Buffalo. Enjoy it please, before you’re looking back in 20 years wishing we could capture the same aura. 

Edited August 12, 2020 by JGMcD2

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

You know what makes a coach be more aggressive?

 

JOB SECURITY

 

Dont be surprised if we have a bolder Mcdermott this year

That’s a good point.  
 

but it would be hilarious if McDermott became like Haynesworth, showed up 50 lbs overweight, and just completely checked out. 

[Mr. K]

6 year extension sounds fine to me. And maybe this means more attention is going to the hockey team.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Want to see him win some meaningful games 

 

When you look at the 50 games he's been the HC, there are 2 that wins that stand out.  The 2017 game at Atlanta that was a one score game and the Dallas Thanksgiving game.  Aside from that it's pretty meh.  He's a career 3-17 against teams that made the playoffs or actually in the post-season.  For reference, Buffalo was 1-5 against teams in those categories last season, having been outscored by 124-90. 

 

That said, it's hard to imagine any well-run franchises giving a HC an extension like this for being this average. 

 

1 hour ago, SDS said:

So do the pessimists think that when you start a new job you don’t change? You don’t do things better year after year? You don’t evolve over time? You’re the same person on day one as day 10,001? Is that the way life works?

 

There's a few shreds here of objective criticism for a HC who has not performed against top teams.  That may well change this season, but to garner a contract extension you'd like to see a better body of work.  The 2 playoff appearance retort is not strong given that several other organizations by now are winning in the playoffs. 

 

People forget about the WC game 7 months ago.  McD and company squandered a 16-0 lead in a about 20 minutes.  I didn't expect them to shut out Houston, but they fell apart in his last and probably biggest game coached.  I recognize on this board people aren't going to think that, but down the stretch McD was ordinary. 

 

I am very interested to see if McD embraces a strategy that features a more open offense.  I think he's pretty conservative, but says all the right things fans want to hear.  I would hope with another year of Daboll and Allen combined with Diggs and other skill players it'll become more than a bottom quartile NFL offense.

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

There wasn’t going to be a bidding war.  It’s insane.  But he’s a top 5 defensive coach so I’m good with him.  Now he needs to make the offense much better and he will be a SB type coach and everything will be great. 

 

Stop saying this like you know this for a fact.  And again as has been said, if he falters, the Bills fire him and move on.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, eball said:

If @ScottLaw and @C.Biscuit97 took their hot takes on McDermott to literally anyone "in the know" in NFL circles they'd be laughed out of the room.  Too funny.

 

In the least surprising development of the past twenty years, those two jokers hate  the move.

 

I'm not only SHOCKED, I'm APPALLED.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

For accuracy's sake:

 

6 Year Contract

4 Year Extension

[Buffalo03]

21 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Sorry, not a lick of this is true.  Irsay traded with the Panthers for Polian.  He gave them a 3rd round pick to allow Polian to leave.

He still gave Polian the president title. So, while he might have traded for him it was a good incentive for Polian himself to want to leave

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

20 minutes ago, eball said:

If @ScottLaw and @C.Biscuit97 took their hot takes on McDermott to literally anyone "in the know" in NFL circles they'd be laughed out of the room.  Too funny.

 

I would agree with them if there was any downside to extending McDermott. But there is literally nothing.