Punching Bag Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Just now, Ethan in Portland said: Looks like a mix of guys with legit reasons and a handful of bubble guys that are taking the $150k as a lump sum payment instead of risking getting cut. Lump sum ADVANCE - teams sometimes will need to pursue legal means to get it back though. Barry Sanders paid his advance year by year saying "maybe I will unretire" letting the money earn him interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Another pats OL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Another pats OL Wonder if Tom brady was still their QB they would be playing rather than opting out? As a lineman I imagine you would have more loyalty to a QB you have protected before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. K Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Tre does have a young child... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Cheektowaga Chad said: Wonder if Tom brady was still their QB they would be playing rather than opting out? As a lineman I imagine you would have more loyalty to a QB you have protected before. Or maybe they (2 out now) think they will play as well without T*m's Special Stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Or maybe they (2 out now) think they will play as well without T*m's Special Stuff. They won't have the magician Dante Scarnecchia to pull a rabbit out of his ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, Mr. K said: Tre does have a young child... He has 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Looks like a mix of guys with legit reasons and a handful of bubble guys that are taking the $150k as a lump sum payment instead of risking getting cut. I think in the coming days I may announce I am opting out as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: I think in the coming days I may announce I am opting out as well. I’d like to opt out to another planet, and return to Earth once this is all over. Edited July 28, 2020 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, SirAndrew said: I’d like to opt out to another planet, and return to Earth once this is all over. 100% My good man. Just thinking today when I heard about the 30,000 people in the clinical trial, I hope to God the vaccine is ready soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: 100% My good man. Just thinking today when I heard about the 30,000 people in the clinical trial, I hope to God the vaccine is ready soon. There's no way a vaccine put together that quick could be safe Even fauci and other doctors and scientists have said the same Something that takes usually five or more years cannot be fast-tracked in 8 months safely Edited July 28, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: If they want to opt out for whatever reason, I understand. I just don’t see why they should get $150,000, but I did hear they have to pay back a portion of it. They should also not be credited for a year of service, as regular joe’s don’t. In my eyes, it’s simple, play get paid, don’t play (meaning opting not to work), don’t get paid. They shouldn’t be treated any differently then the general public. I respect any player that chooses for health or other reasons not to work. What the NFL and NFLPA agree upon has literally nothing to do with the general public. These things are collectively bargained. 56 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: I’d like to opt out to another planet, and return to Earth once this is all over. Eh, most planets don't have breathable air, so you are better off here. 1 hour ago, Mr. K said: Tre does have a young child... And luckily this disease does not affect children to the extent that it does adults. And when they do get sick it is generally more mild. 27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: There's no way a vaccine put together that quick could be safe Even fauci and other doctors and scientists have said the same Something that takes usually five or more years cannot be fast-tracked in 8 months safely Which is why there are so many people unwilling to be guinea pigs and line up to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Which is why there are so many people unwilling to be guinea pigs and line up to take it. I'll be a guinea pig. You could get paid $1,100 to test the first potential coronavirus vaccine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, Doc Brown said: I'll be a guinea pig. You could get paid $1,100 to test the first potential coronavirus vaccine I’d simply be more concerned with it being ineffective than dangerous. Often times when people mention “adverse effects”, they are talking about a fever; runny nose, or something like that. People seem to think vaccines are created by throwing a bunch of random chemicals in a needle. There’s a scientific process that typically provides a decent level of safety, even with those in development. The random horror stories, and tales of vaccines from decades ago aren’t the reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, SirAndrew said: I’d simply be more concerned with it being ineffective than dangerous. Often times when people mention “adverse effects”, they are talking about a fever; runny nose, or something like that. People seem to think vaccines are created by throwing a bunch of random chemicals in a needle. There’s a scientific process that typically provides a decent level of safety, even with those in development. The random horror stories, and tales of vaccines from decades ago aren’t the reality. Actually vaccines are like any other drug and come with their own list of potential side effects, most of them minor but some of them major. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, MJS said: Actually vaccines are like any other drug and come with their own list of potential side effects, most of them minor but some of them major. True, just saying some people often exaggerate those dangers greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Ok - so Brown just has the trait? Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 25 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: True, just saying some people often exaggerate those dangers greatly. It goes both ways, in my experience. On one hand we have the anti-vaxers who make all sorts of claims about vaccines (some of them valid, most not). And on the other hand you have a large contingent who claim that vaccines are perfectly safe, have no side effects, and you should have no problem taking them. The truth, as always, is somewhere in-between. But we don't need to go into that here. For me it comes down to acceptable risk, and that threshold is different for every person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 5 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: If they want to opt out for whatever reason, I understand. I just don’t see why they should get $150,000, but I did hear they have to pay back a portion of it. They should also not be credited for a year of service, as regular joe’s don’t. In my eyes, it’s simple, play get paid, don’t play (meaning opting not to work), don’t get paid. They shouldn’t be treated any differently then the general public. I respect any player that chooses for health or other reasons not to work. The league owners and the NFLPA should be able to come to whatever agreement they want when it comes to pay and service years accrued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 27 minutes ago, DJB said: 2 NE OT’s down. Keep em coming! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: 2 NE OT’s down. Keep em coming! 1 starting OT and 1 guard on the edge of the roster. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: There's no way a vaccine put together that quick could be safe Even fauci and other doctors and scientists have said the same Something that takes usually five or more years cannot be fast-tracked in 8 months safely non sense - the first vaccine was developed in 1796. This process isn’t new. it may well be extremely safe. “No way” is a sorry way to think. The pipeline constraints have more to do with the Mountains of bureaucratic hurdles, fear of lawsuits, and maneuvering to ensure IP protection to maximize profit. Edited July 28, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: non sense - the first vaccine was developed in 1796. This process isn’t new. it may well be extremely safe. The pipeline constraints have more to do with the Mountains of bureaucratic hurdles, fear of lawsuits, and maneuvering to ensure IP protection to maximize profit. In 1955 they rushed out the first polio vaccine which actually killed some children and left others paralyzed or with paralysis.. they abandoned that first programme immediately after And I was wrong most vaccines take 10 to 20 years to develop. A vaccine produced in under a year is extremely risky, says all doctors https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-risks-of-rushing-a-covid-19-vaccine/ Rushing something of this magnitude has zero benefit's especially knowing that the actual death rates of covid are a lot less than thought in March.. I could bring up a thousand articles about why rushing vaccines are dangerous, and sometimes only enhance some problems Edited July 28, 2020 by Buffalo716 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 8 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I didn't know that about Brown. And we play in Denver this year ... Ryan Clark sat out games at elevation based on his sickle cell trait. He sat out games in Denver after he played there and almost died afterward. Lost a gall bladder in the process if memory serves. Tomlin would not let him play any games in Denver after that Including a playoff game. Said if Clark was his son he wouldn’t be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 It’s hard to compare on vaccines from history. The modern FDA is very strict and vaccines as well as meds, devices, genomic testing goes through a rigorous process. There are three phases of clinical trials they must go through and everything that happens to subjects is reported even if it has nothing to do with the vaccine. During phase 3 trials the researchers are looking at efficacy and safety of human trials. Once completed, they have a month or so to package the information to submit to the FDA. The FDA reviewers usually take 9-12 months to review the PMA, and typically ask questions. The company then compiled further dats and then submits to the FDA for review. If all questions are answered, and the product is proven to work and safe, it is approved and available for commercial use. Then there is the ramp up of mass production. Lastly, all of this data is submitted to Medicare, Medicaid, all of the commercial insurances for them to review whether they approve for reimbursement like Aetna, Humana, Cigna, the various Blue Cross plans, and so on. Fast tracking still will take At least 8-12 months from submission. I know the process as I was in the clinical side of medicine, but then in management of medical device, biotechnology, and originally specialty pharmaceuticals. People in my industry know all too well the lengthy process. You just can’t speed up this process that much. The FDA is much more strict than European CMARC. The last point is ramping up production takes time, and if socialized medicine countries who buy in mass quantity lay more than the US, there could be delays in commercial availability here. It’s just the way it works. Like it or not, that’s how it works. I hope that helps some who are trying to wrap their arms around what needs to happen. My guess is the earliest we see a vaccine here is next late Spring, but more likely next Summer. Until then, the CDC guidelines is the best we can do with masks, social distancing etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 2nd Pats starter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: 2nd Pats starter Completely understandable. I'm sure there will be more than a few "big names" who do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 2nd Pats starter Lots of Pat players so far, you really do wonder if questioning the future of the team plays a role at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Another Patriot Opt Out. Bolden newest 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Another Patriot Opt Out. Bolden newest the Patriot way? These are key guys. At some point does the inertia bring the rest along? While risk isn’t changing, potential reward becomes less probable with each key starter opting out Edited July 28, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Sad from league perspective but understandable. I'd say many more will follow including big names such as starting QBs. There will be Bills players too. It will be very different season (if there is any season at all). I am still hoping it will sort out somehow but am not very optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 What’s the deadline for opt outs? Also, how would voluntary opt out effect franchise tag? Re-tagged the following year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: What’s the deadline for opt outs? Also, how would voluntary opt out effect franchise tag? Re-tagged the following year? I found 8/3 deadline Edited July 28, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Wait until Darnold with his past health and spleen Opts out. I can see that coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I found 8/3 deadline Honestly shouldn't be a deadline for these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Just now, DJB said: Honestly shouldn't be a deadline for these guys. When I looked I honestly expect some language like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 If enough players opt out we might see a ton of XFL players on NFL teams. Either way the ***** ***** show that I expected is already off to turd cutting start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Not such a big name but Chase Warmack..... https://rolltidewire.usatoday.com/2020/07/27/former-alabama-ol-chance-warmack-to-opt-out-of-2020-nfl-season/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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