Nick O'Leary Recovering from Heart Attack

[Mike in Horseheads]

https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/23/former-bills-tight-end-nick-oleary-has-heart-surgery-to-clear-100-blockage/

 

Former Bills tight end Nick O'Leary, now with the Raiders, had surgery to clear 100% blockage of an artery to his heart last month and is hoping to resume his football career in 2021.

[Greg S]

Best wishes on a full and speedy recovery.

[eball]

Holy crap.  For a guy that young, not good...hope he makes a full recovery.

[HardyBoy]

Did he have covid19?

[YoloinOhio]

Wow that’s horrible. And I would think rare for a professional athlete given the typical training and diet. 

[Captain Hindsight]

Yikes. Hope he has a quick and full recovery

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wow that’s horrible. And I would think rare for a professional athlete given the typical training and diet. 

Raiders?...Chuckie and Mark Davis probably load up the team bus daily for the evening meal at the 'Hungry Heifer'.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Damn, that is highly unusual! Get Well Nick.?

[HardyBoy]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wow that’s horrible. And I would think rare for a professional athlete given the typical training and diet. 

 

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/health-management/yoga-teacher-practicing-again-after-covid-19-triggered-cardiac-arrest

 

Carr knew she had COVID-19 when she experienced mild symptoms and then got a positive test result, though she’d been social distancing and being as careful as she could. But staying home to wait it out was no longer an option when that seemingly minor case of COVID-19 turned into heart failure – and four episodes of cardiac arrest.

 

 

[Gray Beard]

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/05/raiders-te-nick-oleary-retires-from-nfl
 

It was announced in March that he retired.  Did I miss something?  Maybe he thought he should retire for medical reasons, but then he was told he didn’t have to?  I hope things go well for him regardless of what he decides to do. 

[FireChans]

3 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/health-management/yoga-teacher-practicing-again-after-covid-19-triggered-cardiac-arrest

 

Carr knew she had COVID-19 when she experienced mild symptoms and then got a positive test result, though she’d been social distancing and being as careful as she could. But staying home to wait it out was no longer an option when that seemingly minor case of COVID-19 turned into heart failure – and four episodes of cardiac arrest.

 

 

Not the same thing. Heart failure =/= heart attack

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wow that’s horrible. And I would think rare for a professional athlete given the typical training and diet. 

Extremely rare. You would be concerned for genetic abnormalities.

[Don Otreply]

39 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

Did he have covid19?

Really?? 

[DonInBuffalo]

here's another article:

 

https://www.tomahawknation.com/florida-state-football-fsu-noles/2020/6/22/21299847/retirement-heart-attack-nick-olearys-fsu-football-florida-state-tight-end-raiders-dolphins

 

He went to the emergency room and found out he'd had a heart attack.   They performed corrective surgery and hopefully next year he'll be healthy enough to resume his career.

[HardyBoy]

34 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Not the same thing. Heart failure =/= heart attack

Extremely rare. You would be concerned for genetic abnormalities.

 

Covid19 is causing clotting issues and the evidence is mounting that this is true for mild cases in healthy younger people:

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/28/847447222/covid-19-thickens-blood-causes-strokes-in-some-patients-with-mild-symptoms

 

I would imagine if it can cause a stroke or pulmonary embolism they can block the heart as well (that particular article talks more about strokes specifically).

 

28 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Really?? 

 

Yes, google: covid clotting mild symptoms

 

This is a crazy diseases and that to me is the most likely explanation that doesn't require extremely rare things to be happening with his genes or other random things.

Edited June 23, 2020 by HardyBoy

[Royale with Cheese]

Didn't Jon Dorenbos have the same thing?

[Mark Vader]

26 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Didn't Jon Dorenbos have the same thing?

I don't remember.

 

Marcus Easley had heart issues, but not an attack.

 

What a frightening thing for O'Leary. Hope he makes a full recovery.

[YoloinOhio]

49 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Covid19 is causing clotting issues and the evidence is mounting that this is true for mild cases in healthy younger people:

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/28/847447222/covid-19-thickens-blood-causes-strokes-in-some-patients-with-mild-symptoms

 

I would imagine if it can cause a stroke or pulmonary embolism they can block the heart as well (that particular article talks more about strokes specifically).

 

 

Yes, google: covid clotting mild symptoms

 

This is a crazy diseases and that to me is the most likely explanation that doesn't require extremely rare things to be happening with his genes or other random things.

Is an artery blockage the same as a clot? I honestly don’t know, I thought blockages were typically caused by self-induced  unhealthy lifestyle and clots could be more a result of other things. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is an artery blockage the same as a clot? I honestly don’t know, I thought blockages were typically caused by self-induced  unhealthy lifestyle and clots could be more a result of other things. 

A blockage is usually caused by arterial plaque -- which we all have -- breaking off and blocking the artery. This can happen at any time and is why you see thin, healthy people having heart attacks. It's much less common than in unhealthy people (they usually have more plaque), but it still happens. A consistent aspirin regimen is extremely protective as it thins the blood and allows it to bypass blockages.

 

I feel that routine cardiac imaging would be extremely beneficial as these tests actually reveal blockages. Otherwise, unsuspecting people randomly have fatal heart attacks. Bloodwork, EKGs, stress tests, and echocardiograms are nothing more than guesswork to predict risk, when we could be jumping straight to looking at the arteries but we don't for financial reasons.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Giuseppe Tognarelli

[Royale with Cheese]

16 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I don't remember.

 

Marcus Easley had heart issues, but not an attack.

 

What a frightening thing for O'Leary. Hope he makes a full recovery.

 

Similar but not the same?  I haven't been to medical school in a long time.  In fact....ever.

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-dorenbos-saints-farmer-20171209-story.html

 

Dorenbos, 37, a Pro Bowl long snapper entering his 15th season, saw his career come to an abrupt end in September when John Amoss, a doctor for the Saints, discovered Dorenbos’ life-threatening heart condition after the final exhibition game. It was an aortic aneurysm that went undetected by the Eagles, who traded Dorenbos to New Orleans this summer after 12 seasons in Philadelphia.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Royale with Cheese

[HardyBoy]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is an artery blockage the same as a clot? I honestly don’t know, I thought blockages were typically caused by self-induced  unhealthy lifestyle and clots could be more a result of other things. 

 

I don't know either. What I think happens with unhealthy lifestyles is the arteries narrow with buildup, making it more likely a small piece of cholesterol coming loose or a small clot could block the blood flow.

 

A big clot could do the same thing I would imagine.

 

Interesting though that they put stents in...that makes me think the blood vessels were too narrow and needed to get opened back up. You wouldn't think they'd do something like that if there was just a random one off blockage.

 

 

[BuffaloMatt]

Genetics

[teef]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Similar but not the same?  I haven't been to medical school in a long time.  In fact....ever.

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-dorenbos-saints-farmer-20171209-story.html

 

Dorenbos, 37, a Pro Bowl long snapper entering his 15th season, saw his career come to an abrupt end in September when John Amoss, a doctor for the Saints, discovered Dorenbos’ life-threatening heart condition after the final exhibition game. It was an aortic aneurysm that went undetected by the Eagles, who traded Dorenbos to New Orleans this summer after 12 seasons in Philadelphia.

he just couldn't be kept away from the magic.

[Royale with Cheese]

23 minutes ago, teef said:

he just couldn't be kept away from the magic.

There’s a movie called The Irishman in which Joe Pesci made magic in his role.

[Kirby Jackson]

Praying for O’Leary!! That’s terrifying.

[Don Otreply]

Having been diagnosed with congestive heart failure, it is a kick in the azs to go through such an experience, I truly hope he recovers and gets healthy again. I understand that my diagnosis is different from a heart attack, but is sobering nonetheless. 

1 hour ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Covid19 is causing clotting issues and the evidence is mounting that this is true for mild cases in healthy younger people:

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/28/847447222/covid-19-thickens-blood-causes-strokes-in-some-patients-with-mild-symptoms

 

I would imagine if it can cause a stroke or pulmonary embolism they can block the heart as well (that particular article talks more about strokes specifically).

 

 

Yes, google: covid clotting mild symptoms

 

This is a crazy diseases and that to me is the most likely explanation that doesn't require extremely rare things to be happening with his genes or other random things.

Wasn’t thinking... you are. Correct. 

[teef]

19 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

There’s a movie called The Irishman in which Joe Pesci made magic in his role.

Your name should be in the thread title instead of O’Leary’s. 

[Mr. WEO]

If his coronaries are that bad at his age h will need revascularization at some point.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

 

Covid19 is causing clotting issues and the evidence is mounting that this is true for mild cases in healthy younger people:

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/28/847447222/covid-19-thickens-blood-causes-strokes-in-some-patients-with-mild-symptoms

 

I would imagine if it can cause a stroke or pulmonary embolism they can block the heart as well (that particular article talks more about strokes specifically).

 

 

Yes, google: covid clotting mild symptoms

 

This is a crazy diseases and that to me is the most likely explanation that doesn't require extremely rare things to be happening with his genes or other random things.

So the difference is thrombemobolism vs not. Clots like DVT’s, PE’s and strokes from Afib are different than plaque disease. PE’s are not stented. You are put on blood thinners to break down the clot.

 

Atherosclerotic rupture is secondary to atherosclerotic risk factors, such as DM, HTN, HL. 

[Royale with Cheese]

47 minutes ago, teef said:

Your name should be in the thread title instead of O’Leary’s. 

 

Are you just saying this because one day you hope to give me CPR?

 

"Excuse me sir, it's great you're giving him mouth to mouth but he also needs chest compressions"

[Reader]

If this is COVID related, I wonder to what extent being an NFL athlete is a risk. I know people who are obese are considered more at risk for the disease and while NFL athletes aren't obese, they will weigh more than non-obese non-athletes. Obviously their weight is due to being healthy, but I wonder if simply weighing more might be a bad thing for COVID.

[GaryPinC]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is an artery blockage the same as a clot? I honestly don’t know, I thought blockages were typically caused by self-induced  unhealthy lifestyle and clots could be more a result of other things. 

The blockage may be partial (resulting in ischemic heart muscle) from plaques or full, usually the result of a ruptured plaque that causes a large blood clot to form which can block the artery.

 

2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said:

A blockage is usually caused by arterial plaque -- which we all have -- breaking off and blocking the artery. This can happen at any time and is why you see thin, healthy people having heart attacks. It's much less common than in unhealthy people (they usually have more plaque), but it still happens. A consistent aspirin regimen is extremely protective as it thins the blood and allows it to bypass blockages.

 

I feel that routine cardiac imaging would be extremely beneficial as these tests actually reveal blockages. Otherwise, unsuspecting people randomly have fatal heart attacks. Bloodwork, EKGs, stress tests, and echocardiograms are nothing more than guesswork to predict risk, when we could be jumping straight to looking at the arteries but we don't for financial reasons.

It's more than financial reasons if you're talking about routine angiograms.  I don't fancy routinely having my femoral artery catheterized, ioversol injected, and having fluoroscope xray exposure "just in case".  Even though fairly routine, it does carry its own risks, also my platelet count is on the low end of normal (my own genetic factor).  Cholesterol and blood pressure problems over time are very good warning markers.  Routine blood testing for genetic abnormalities will eventually help greatly also.  There's an entire science to interpreting EKG's and nuclear stress tests certainly also are great indicators of a problem.

 

O'Leary had more than one blockage, sounds like genetic heart disease.  I know I wouldn't come back to NFL unless dietary changes clearly reverse the risk.

 

The yoga teacher had myopericarditis which is an inflammation of both the heart muscle and the pericardial sac surrounding it.  I don't deal with people, but in pigs it's nasty, so much fibrotic tissue forms as a result of the inflammation it covers the surface of the heart and adheres the pericardium.  Definitely pigs with this condition are much more susceptible to disruption of normal cardiac rhythm.

 

That's what happened to the yoga teacher.  Her normally healthy heart couldn't contract well(acute heart failure) and she also suffered 4 cardiac arrests which is complete loss of heart function due to normal electrical signal disruption.  But the underlying heart tissue wasn't chronically unhealthy and she hopefully makes a full recovery if no ischemia effects.

A heart attack (blockage) often results in cardiac arrest (loss of function) but that is not the only cause of cardiac arrest.  She didn't have blockages in this case.

 

Dorenbos had an aortic aneurysm, which is a weakness in the aortic wall  (just above the heart) which normally swells and can burst, killing quickly.

 

Edited June 23, 2020 by GaryPinC

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, GaryPinC said:

The blockage may be partial (resulting in ischemic heart muscle) from plaques or full, usually the result of a ruptured plaque that causes a large blood clot to form which can block the artery.

 

It's more than financial reasons if you're talking about routine angiograms.  I don't fancy routinely having my femoral artery catheterized, ioversol injected, and having fluoroscope gamma exposure "just in case".  Even though fairly routine, it does carry its own risks, also my platelet count is on the low end of normal (my own genetic factor).  Cholesterol and blood pressure problems over time are very good warning markers.  Routine blood testing for genetic abnormalities will eventually help greatly also.  There's an entire science to interpreting EKG's and nuclear stress tests certainly also are great indicators of a problem.

 

O'Leary had more than one blockage, sounds like genetic heart disease.  I know I wouldn't come back to NFL unless dietary changes clearly reverse the risk.

 

The yoga teacher had myopericarditis which is an inflammation of both the heart muscle and the pericardial sac surrounding it.  I don't deal with people, but in pigs it's nasty, so much fibrotic tissue forms as a result of the inflammation it covers the surface of the heart and adheres the pericardium.  Definitely pigs with this condition are much more susceptible to disruption of normal cardiac rhythm.

 

That's what happened to the yoga teacher.  Her normally healthy heart couldn't contract well(acute heart failure) and she also suffered 4 cardiac arrests which is complete loss of heart function due to normal electrical signal disruption.  But the underlying heart tissue wasn't chronically unhealthy and she hopefully makes a full recovery if no ischemia effects.

A heart attack (blockage) often results in cardiac arrest (loss of function) but that is not the only cause of cardiac arrest.  She didn't have blockages in this case.

 

Dorenbos had an aortic aneurysm, which is a weakness in the aortic wall  (just above the heart) which normally swells and can burst, killing quickly.

 

 

 

There are no such dietary changes that will reverse his risk.  Maintaining an normal BP, blood sugar and lipid profile are his only weapons.  His disease didn't result form his diet.

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

His disease didn't result form his diet.

Not wearing gloves?  ?  

(Football, not latex)

[BillsFanNC]

High cholesterol and resulting atherosclerosis can be genetic, but the single most important thing anyone can do to lower risk regardless of genetic predisposition is to not shove so much saturated fat, trans fat and dietary cholesterol through your digestive system.  

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Not wearing gloves?  ?  

(Football, not latex)

“Glove-wearing Mary”?

[Freddie's Dead]

All the best O'Nicklaus!

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Best wishes for a full/quick recovery!

[Captain_Quint]

Praying with bear hands that he recovers! 

[Sherlock Holmes]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Wow that’s horrible. And I would think rare for a professional athlete given the typical training and diet. 

No, not at all... The diet IS the problem, they usually catch it with all the medical screenings is all. You will see more and more young people die this way. It will start happening at younger and younger ages as well.

 

The medical community will say blah blah blah too young... BULL$#!+....

Edited June 23, 2020 by Sherlock Holmes

[Jerome007]

My ex father in law had two major surgeries in his early 30s, and one of his bros died of an heat attack in his 30s. No, they weren't pro athletes but some people have bad genetics for this.