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I didn’t see any of this posted yet but thought it might be of interest due to the potential state of the Bills’. 
 

Lawson tweeted about Fromm couldn’t be his teammate and that he had to check Josh Allen when he first came to Buffalo because of some of Allen’s earlier comments while he was still in college. I wonder how many other Bills’ players share Lawson’s sentiments. 
 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/06/former-buffalo-bills-de-shaq-lawson-tells-jake-fromm-you-couldnt-be-a-teammate-of-mine.html?outputType=amp
 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/06/shaq-lawson-check-josh-allen-buffalo-bills-jake-fromm-drafted/amp/

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He seemed to be more ticked off at Brees and Fromm.  By checking Allen I assume he passed with flying colors his two years here.  Emotions among players are high right now and will eventually cool off.  I'm sure Fromm will do and say the right things like Josh did.  I'm not that worried. 

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1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

Signing with Miami proves Shaq has poor judgement

 

If this were the case, how would his poor judgement be relevant in this situation where he tweeted his disapproval of Fromm.

 

From what I read, he doesn't mention taking any kind of action against Fromm, so where does his "poor judgement" show in this situation? 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Should I trust the judgement of a player that signed with the dolphins?

 

 

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed the season before Lawson and has the highest IQ in the league; I trust that you wouldn't question his judgment had he expressed what Lawson did.  

 

Smh.

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12 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed the season before Lawson and has the highest IQ in the league; I trust that you wouldn't question his judgment had he expressed what Lawson did.  

 

Smh.

 

You know me, I was being Sarcastic as usual ....

smh

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Hopefully something good comes of this with Fromm donating his time and energy to work on these injustices, and he learns what I’ve told my kids forever.  Don’t put anything in writing for any reason that you don’t want to defend to a college admissions board, a potential employer, or something you’re grandparents would be embarrassed you wrote.  It’s that simple.  I like to think that I’m a moral and decent human being who treats everyone fair, but even so, I do not have any social media accounts.  I just don’t want people knowing my life.  No snap, insta whatever, and I only had a Facebook account at one point to schedule a seat for spinning classes at my gym.  I post nothing.  If I want to talk to someone or they want to talk to me, they can call, text, or email me.  I guess this forum is my only social media, and do my best to only discuss football except this social issue.

 

I don’t necessarily condone it, but can understand the Bills cutting Fromm simply to send a message to players and employees that you’re words have consequences.  I don’t expect they do it as they would have done it already, and as Lorax said, maybe something good comes from this with mercy, but at a price he improves his behavior.

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Maybe our QB's should wear shackles and I'm Sorry T-Shirts. Hard to believe that grown men are so affected by thoughtless and sarcastic comments made by college kids. 

 

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas
The trouble with the maples
And they're quite convinced they're right
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?
There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream, "oppression"
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
"The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light"
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet
Axe
And saw
Drew Brees gets it
 
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so who appointed Shaq Lawson the supreme judge of a person's character; based on what qualifications...does he rule on other topics than private-stupid-immature thoughts of white kids who grew-up in insulated communities that do not reflect the landscape of the rest of the country ?  Shaq llets move on to higher level thought issues facing society...what else ya got ?

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2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Should I trust the judgement of a player that signed with the Dolphins ?

Hell no.....

 

... then again the Dolphin'$ MONEY i$ ju$t a$ green a$ any other team$

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Anyone that hasn’t looked into the Allen tweets at this point is speaking from a position of ignorance.

 

He was a kid quoting hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. Ill-advised given the subject matter? Sure. Racist at all? Nope.

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Shaq doesn’t play for the Bills. I am sure Allen will tell Fromm how he handled his situation when he arrived in Buffalo. I have no doubt Fromm will handle himself very professionally and display a great deal of remorse and also empathy for players who share experiences. Fromm isn’t a bad guy, just like Brees isn’t a bad guy. They need more time spent with people who can explain issues at hand and help them see. Good people with good hearts can still make choices they later regret. It is then that character is displayed. 
 

ps- Anyone who thinks Allen is a racist must be looking at something different than me. Kid is a giant positive goofball who loves life and everyone in it, besides the guys he is playing against for that game that day.

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Twitter has had a negative impact on the country/world. To many people hold the instant opinions of celebs in high regard. How many NFL players need to condemn Jake Fromm? I don't hear a peep from any of these guys when a player beats on a woman.

 

The issue should have been handled in house but that's not today's world and it's a shame.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Shaq doesn’t play for the Bills. I am sure Allen will tell Fromm how he handled his situation when he arrived in Buffalo. I have no doubt Fromm will handle himself very professionally and display a great deal of remorse and also empathy for players who share experiences. Fromm isn’t a bad guy, just like Brees isn’t a bad guy. They need more time spent with people who can explain issues at hand and help them see. Good people with good hearts can still make choices they later regret. It is then that character is displayed. 
 

ps- Anyone who thinks Allen is a racist must be looking at something different than me. Kid is a giant positive goofball who loves life and everyone in it, besides the guys he is playing against for that game that day.

Not sure what you meant but Drew Brees is an awesome stand up guy whose actions speak louder than his words. I don't think he needs anything explained to him nor does he owe anyone an apology. These are my words. Sometimes peoples disrespect is so loud that you can't hear what they are saying.

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3 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Ryan Fitzpatrick signed the season before Lawson and has the highest IQ in the league; I trust that you wouldn't question his judgment had he expressed what Lawson did.  

 

Smh.

 

Fitz gets a pass cause of epic beard possession, ya dig?

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1 hour ago, bmur66 said:

Maybe our QB's should wear shackles and I'm Sorry T-Shirts. Hard to believe that grown men are so affected by thoughtless and sarcastic comments made by college kids. 

 

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas
The trouble with the maples
And they're quite convinced they're right
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade?
There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream, "oppression"
And the oaks just shake their heads
So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
"The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light"
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet
Axe
And saw
Drew Brees gets it
 

The trees. Well written by ole neil.

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3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Hopefully something good comes of this with Fromm donating his time and energy to work on these injustices, and he learns what I’ve told my kids forever.  Don’t put anything in writing for any reason that you don’t want to defend to a college admissions board, a potential employer, or something you’re grandparents would be embarrassed you wrote.  It’s that simple.  I like to think that I’m a moral and decent human being who treats everyone fair, but even so, I do not have any social media accounts.  I just don’t want people knowing my life.  No snap, insta whatever, and I only had a Facebook account at one point to schedule a seat for spinning classes at my gym.  I post nothing.  If I want to talk to someone or they want to talk to me, they can call, text, or email me.  I guess this forum is my only social media, and do my best to only discuss football except this social issue.

 

I don’t necessarily condone it, but can understand the Bills cutting Fromm simply to send a message to players and employees that you’re words have consequences.  I don’t expect they do it as they would have done it already, and as Lorax said, maybe something good comes from this with mercy, but at a price he improves his behavior.

I believe in second chances as most of us on this board , Richie Incognito got a second chance and IMO made the best of it , as far as  Jake Fromm goes (IMO ) the timing of this coming out is what makes it a much much worse , not that I’m ok with what he said on that text , but let’s be honest if this would have come out a month ago I don’t believe that many would have suggested that his NFL carrier should be over ... 

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1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

Anyone that hasn’t looked into the Allen tweets at this point is speaking from a position of ignorance.

 

He was a kid quoting hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. Ill-advised given the subject matter? Sure. Racist at all? Nope.

 

You mean Fromm tweets?  This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family.  I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist.

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8 minutes ago, Happy said:

You mean Fromm tweets?  This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family.  I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist.

 

No, Josh's tweets from several years ago.  Released right before he was drafted.

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7 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

I didn’t see any of this posted yet but thought it might be of interest due to the potential state of the Bills’. 
 

Lawson tweeted about Fromm couldn’t be his teammate and that he had to check Josh Allen when he first came to Buffalo because of some of Allen’s earlier comments while he was still in college. I wonder how many other Bills’ players share Lawson’s sentiments. 
 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/06/former-buffalo-bills-de-shaq-lawson-tells-jake-fromm-you-couldnt-be-a-teammate-of-mine.html?outputType=amp
 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/06/shaq-lawson-check-josh-allen-buffalo-bills-jake-fromm-drafted/amp/

 

I believe, based on this and that I heard, that Allen likely had to work his way through a pile of skepticism about his character when he came into the league from teammates.  The tweets were from HS, and could be shown to be quotes from the sitcom Modern Family, and getting someone like Stephen Smith to speak to that pretty quickly may have helped.

Allen clearly has a natural ability to connect with people and I think it wore off pretty quickly with his teammates and by the end of his rookie season through the league.

 

Maybe someone who is more plugged in to locker rooms like @Kirby Jackson could comment or refute what Allen had to work through and how it's gone. 

 

Fromm said stuff that was more directly connected to Georgia's racial history and more recent on his part. 

I think he intended them as just kidding around, but kidding around about making a weapon so expensive only "elite whites" can own it might come across very differently to a black man when across the South and specifically in GA. GA did exactly that - systematically disarmed black citizens both by terror and specifically by 1896 legislation that required a license that was prohibitively expensive to obtain (it was not enforced on whites).  The law was enforced through the Civil Rights era.  Unarmed black men and women were then subject to lynching.  The most recent known mob lynching took place at Moore's Ford Bridge in Walton County GA in 1946.  A large number of townspeople witnessed but the case was never solved.  There's a meticulously researched book about it, "Fire in a Cane Brake", if anyone has a strong stomach and wants to be educated.  The victims were a black sharecropper who was in jail awaiting trial for a stabbing he committed (zero chance he would have gotten off), an "uppity" returned WWII Veteran, and their wives (one of whom was 7 months pregnant).

If he wishes to redeem himself in the eyes of his teammates, Fromm is handicapped right now by being unable to meet in person.  I imagine a lot of folks are reaching out to his GA teammates though, asking "is this some ignorant ***** or is that how he rolls?"

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19 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

You mean Fromm tweets?  This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family.  I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist.

 

Allen's tweets were hip-hop lyrics and Modern Family.  In a savvy move right after they came out, Allen reached out to Stephen Smith who confirmed that he had himself verified that, on-air, along with saying Allen did not excuse them for that, he took responsibility and said it was wrong.

 

See explanation why Fromm's apparently nothing-burger remarks look like dumb jokes to me (and to you) but might come across differently to black men in my prev. post especially in view of current events

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8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Allen's tweets were hip-hop lyrics and Modern Family.  In a savvy move right after they came out, Allen reached out to Stephen Smith who confirmed that he had himself verified that, on-air, along with saying Allen did not excuse them for that, he took responsibility and said it was wrong.

 

See explanation why Fromm's apparently nothing-burger remarks look like dumb jokes to me (and to you) but might come across differently to black men in my prev. post especially in view of current events

 

Ah, got it...thanks.  I can see how black men would take offense to Fromm's joke.

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17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I believe, based on this and that I heard, that Allen likely had to work his way through a pile of skepticism about his character when he came into the league from teammates.  The tweets were from HS, and could be shown to be quotes from the sitcom Modern Family, and getting someone like Stephen Smith to speak to that pretty quickly may have helped.

Allen clearly has a natural ability to connect with people and I think it wore off pretty quickly with his teammates and by the end of his rookie season through the league.

 

Maybe someone who is more plugged in to locker rooms like @Kirby Jackson could comment or refute what Allen had to work through and how it's gone. 

 

Fromm said stuff that was more directly connected to Georgia's racial history and more recent on his part. 

I think he intended them as just kidding around, but kidding around about making a weapon so expensive only "elite whites" can own it might come across very differently to a black man when across the South and specifically in GA. GA did exactly that - systematically disarmed black citizens both by terror and specifically by 1896 legislation that required a license that was prohibitively expensive to obtain (it was not enforced on whites).  The law was enforced through the Civil Rights era.  Unarmed black men and women were then subject to lynching.  The most recent known mob lynching took place at Moore's Ford Bridge in Walton County GA in 1946.  A large number of townspeople witnessed but the case was never solved.  There's a meticulously researched book about it, "Fire in a Cane Brake", if anyone has a strong stomach and wants to be educated.  The victims were a black sharecropper who was in jail awaiting trial for a stabbing he committed (zero chance he would have gotten off), an "uppity" returned WWII Veteran, and their wives (one of whom was 7 months pregnant).

If he wishes to redeem himself in the eyes of his teammates, Fromm is handicapped right now by being unable to meet in person.  I imagine a lot of folks are reaching out to his GA teammates though, asking "is this some ignorant ***** or is that how he rolls?"

I really don’t know Hap. I know that he had to earn trust after the tweets. It seems like Allen is in good with that locker room now. I could be wrong but it appears that way. 

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Nothing like a baited race war and hot topic bull#### to further divide people. The stats across the board say this is a non-issue.

Like we are all supposed to bow and acknowledge privilege we don't even have. These big mouth clowns pocket millions and yet want to spout off about our priviledge and want us to bow to their demands. I guess it's my privilege to work 60 hours a week so I can barely afford to take my family to a game, only to  watch the players cry, kneel and pout about injustice while they drive off in cars that cost more than our houses.

 

There is no racial divide, it's an economic divide. Poor people of all races suffer injustice across the board. I feel for the hard working people of the black community who deserve better, but my heart does not go out to thugs looting the streets and destroying the lives of their own people as well as other hard working small businesses.

 

We will see what happens if the league folds and if these players lose their privilege of playing a Childs game for a king's ransom.. Then we will see  a change of tune. Or if the NFL reverts to back in the 60's and 70's where athletes made the same wages as working people.   Shaq can kiss off. Glad he is gone. Candace Owens should be the NFL Commisoner. She'd put an end to this insanity real quick.

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7 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

Nothing like a baited race war and hot topic bull#### to further divide people. Like we are all supposed to bow and acknowledge privilege we don't even have. These big mouth clowns pocket millions and yet want to spout off about our priviledge and want us to bow to their demands. I guess it's my privilege to work 60 hours a week so I can barely afford to take my family to a game, only to  watch the players cry, kneel and pout about injustice.

 

There is no racial divide, it's an economic divide. Poor people of all races suffer injustice across the board. I feel for the hard working people of the black community who deserve better, but my heart does not go out to thugs looting the streets and destroying the lives of their own people as well as other hard working small businesses.

 

We will see what happens if the league folds and if these players lose their privilege of playing a Childs game for a king's ransom.. Then we will see  a change of tune. Or if the NFL reverts to back in the 60's and 70's where athletes made the same wages as working people.   She can kiss a brick. Candace Owens should be the NFK Commisoner. She'd put an end to this insanity real quick.

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46 minutes ago, Happy said:

 

You mean Fromm tweets?  This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family.  I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist.


No, I mean the Allen tweets from when he was 17. Fromm’s controversy isn’t tweet-related; it’s a text message 

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2 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Not sure what you meant but Drew Brees is an awesome stand up guy whose actions speak louder than his words. I don't think he needs anything explained to him nor does he owe anyone an apology. These are my words. Sometimes peoples disrespect is so loud that you can't hear what they are saying.

Ok. But when the person himself says he needs to understand more, maybe you should take him for what HE says. Personally I think Drew is a standup guy as well. I don’t think he meant any harm. Now Drew spoke with other people and felt the need to apologize. 

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