Tipster19 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I didn’t see any of this posted yet but thought it might be of interest due to the potential state of the Bills’. Lawson tweeted about Fromm couldn’t be his teammate and that he had to check Josh Allen when he first came to Buffalo because of some of Allen’s earlier comments while he was still in college. I wonder how many other Bills’ players share Lawson’s sentiments. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/06/former-buffalo-bills-de-shaq-lawson-tells-jake-fromm-you-couldnt-be-a-teammate-of-mine.html?outputType=amp https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/06/shaq-lawson-check-josh-allen-buffalo-bills-jake-fromm-drafted/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 He seemed to be more ticked off at Brees and Fromm. By checking Allen I assume he passed with flying colors his two years here. Emotions among players are high right now and will eventually cool off. I'm sure Fromm will do and say the right things like Josh did. I'm not that worried. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: Signing with Miami proves Shaq has poor judgement If this were the case, how would his poor judgement be relevant in this situation where he tweeted his disapproval of Fromm. From what I read, he doesn't mention taking any kind of action against Fromm, so where does his "poor judgement" show in this situation? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Should I trust the judgement of a player that signed with the Dolphins ? Hell no..... 3 6 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Should I trust the judgement of a player that signed with the dolphins? Ryan Fitzpatrick signed the season before Lawson and has the highest IQ in the league; I trust that you wouldn't question his judgment had he expressed what Lawson did. Smh. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: Ryan Fitzpatrick signed the season before Lawson and has the highest IQ in the league; I trust that you wouldn't question his judgment had he expressed what Lawson did. Smh. You know me, I was being Sarcastic as usual .... smh Edited June 7, 2020 by HOUSE 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Hopefully something good comes of this with Fromm donating his time and energy to work on these injustices, and he learns what I’ve told my kids forever. Don’t put anything in writing for any reason that you don’t want to defend to a college admissions board, a potential employer, or something you’re grandparents would be embarrassed you wrote. It’s that simple. I like to think that I’m a moral and decent human being who treats everyone fair, but even so, I do not have any social media accounts. I just don’t want people knowing my life. No snap, insta whatever, and I only had a Facebook account at one point to schedule a seat for spinning classes at my gym. I post nothing. If I want to talk to someone or they want to talk to me, they can call, text, or email me. I guess this forum is my only social media, and do my best to only discuss football except this social issue. I don’t necessarily condone it, but can understand the Bills cutting Fromm simply to send a message to players and employees that you’re words have consequences. I don’t expect they do it as they would have done it already, and as Lorax said, maybe something good comes from this with mercy, but at a price he improves his behavior. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Maybe our QB's should wear shackles and I'm Sorry T-Shirts. Hard to believe that grown men are so affected by thoughtless and sarcastic comments made by college kids. There is unrest in the forestThere is trouble with the treesFor the maples want more sunlightAnd the oaks ignore their pleas The trouble with the maplesAnd they're quite convinced they're rightThey say the oaks are just too loftyAnd they grab up all the lightBut the oaks can't help their feelingsIf they like the way they're madeAnd they wonder why the maplesCan't be happy in their shade? There is trouble in the forestAnd the creatures all have fledAs the maples scream, "oppression"And the oaks just shake their heads So the maples formed a unionAnd demanded equal rights"The oaks are just too greedyWe will make them give us light"Now there's no more oak oppressionFor they passed a noble lawAnd the trees are all kept equalBy hatchetAxeAnd saw Drew Brees gets it Edited June 7, 2020 by bmur66 11 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 so who appointed Shaq Lawson the supreme judge of a person's character; based on what qualifications...does he rule on other topics than private-stupid-immature thoughts of white kids who grew-up in insulated communities that do not reflect the landscape of the rest of the country ? Shaq llets move on to higher level thought issues facing society...what else ya got ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cd1 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: Should I trust the judgement of a player that signed with the Dolphins ? Hell no..... ... then again the Dolphin'$ MONEY i$ ju$t a$ green a$ any other team$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, cd1 said: ... then again the Dolphin'$ MONEY i$ ju$t a$ green a$ any other team$ with no state income tax, it just might be greener. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Anyone that hasn’t looked into the Allen tweets at this point is speaking from a position of ignorance. He was a kid quoting hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. Ill-advised given the subject matter? Sure. Racist at all? Nope. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Shaq doesn’t play for the Bills. I am sure Allen will tell Fromm how he handled his situation when he arrived in Buffalo. I have no doubt Fromm will handle himself very professionally and display a great deal of remorse and also empathy for players who share experiences. Fromm isn’t a bad guy, just like Brees isn’t a bad guy. They need more time spent with people who can explain issues at hand and help them see. Good people with good hearts can still make choices they later regret. It is then that character is displayed. ps- Anyone who thinks Allen is a racist must be looking at something different than me. Kid is a giant positive goofball who loves life and everyone in it, besides the guys he is playing against for that game that day. Edited June 7, 2020 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Really all that needs to be said about Shaw being the proper police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR7QD5PkkC8 Those who shout the loudest, usually have the most to hide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Twitter has had a negative impact on the country/world. To many people hold the instant opinions of celebs in high regard. How many NFL players need to condemn Jake Fromm? I don't hear a peep from any of these guys when a player beats on a woman. The issue should have been handled in house but that's not today's world and it's a shame. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Shaq doesn’t play for the Bills. I am sure Allen will tell Fromm how he handled his situation when he arrived in Buffalo. I have no doubt Fromm will handle himself very professionally and display a great deal of remorse and also empathy for players who share experiences. Fromm isn’t a bad guy, just like Brees isn’t a bad guy. They need more time spent with people who can explain issues at hand and help them see. Good people with good hearts can still make choices they later regret. It is then that character is displayed. ps- Anyone who thinks Allen is a racist must be looking at something different than me. Kid is a giant positive goofball who loves life and everyone in it, besides the guys he is playing against for that game that day. Not sure what you meant but Drew Brees is an awesome stand up guy whose actions speak louder than his words. I don't think he needs anything explained to him nor does he owe anyone an apology. These are my words. Sometimes peoples disrespect is so loud that you can't hear what they are saying. Edited June 7, 2020 by bmur66 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Shaq should worry about the Miami Dolphins Edited June 7, 2020 by Bob in STL 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fr. Jerk Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, BurpleBull said: Ryan Fitzpatrick signed the season before Lawson and has the highest IQ in the league; I trust that you wouldn't question his judgment had he expressed what Lawson did. Smh. Fitz gets a pass cause of epic beard possession, ya dig? 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, bmur66 said: Maybe our QB's should wear shackles and I'm Sorry T-Shirts. Hard to believe that grown men are so affected by thoughtless and sarcastic comments made by college kids. There is unrest in the forestThere is trouble with the treesFor the maples want more sunlightAnd the oaks ignore their pleas The trouble with the maplesAnd they're quite convinced they're rightThey say the oaks are just too loftyAnd they grab up all the lightBut the oaks can't help their feelingsIf they like the way they're madeAnd they wonder why the maplesCan't be happy in their shade? There is trouble in the forestAnd the creatures all have fledAs the maples scream, "oppression"And the oaks just shake their heads So the maples formed a unionAnd demanded equal rights"The oaks are just too greedyWe will make them give us light"Now there's no more oak oppressionFor they passed a noble lawAnd the trees are all kept equalBy hatchetAxeAnd saw Drew Brees gets it The trees. Well written by ole neil. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Hopefully something good comes of this with Fromm donating his time and energy to work on these injustices, and he learns what I’ve told my kids forever. Don’t put anything in writing for any reason that you don’t want to defend to a college admissions board, a potential employer, or something you’re grandparents would be embarrassed you wrote. It’s that simple. I like to think that I’m a moral and decent human being who treats everyone fair, but even so, I do not have any social media accounts. I just don’t want people knowing my life. No snap, insta whatever, and I only had a Facebook account at one point to schedule a seat for spinning classes at my gym. I post nothing. If I want to talk to someone or they want to talk to me, they can call, text, or email me. I guess this forum is my only social media, and do my best to only discuss football except this social issue. I don’t necessarily condone it, but can understand the Bills cutting Fromm simply to send a message to players and employees that you’re words have consequences. I don’t expect they do it as they would have done it already, and as Lorax said, maybe something good comes from this with mercy, but at a price he improves his behavior. I believe in second chances as most of us on this board , Richie Incognito got a second chance and IMO made the best of it , as far as Jake Fromm goes (IMO ) the timing of this coming out is what makes it a much much worse , not that I’m ok with what he said on that text , but let’s be honest if this would have come out a month ago I don’t believe that many would have suggested that his NFL carrier should be over ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Anyone that hasn’t looked into the Allen tweets at this point is speaking from a position of ignorance. He was a kid quoting hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. Ill-advised given the subject matter? Sure. Racist at all? Nope. You mean Fromm tweets? This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Happy said: You mean Fromm tweets? This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist. No, Josh's tweets from several years ago. Released right before he was drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Tipster19 said: I didn’t see any of this posted yet but thought it might be of interest due to the potential state of the Bills’. Lawson tweeted about Fromm couldn’t be his teammate and that he had to check Josh Allen when he first came to Buffalo because of some of Allen’s earlier comments while he was still in college. I wonder how many other Bills’ players share Lawson’s sentiments. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/06/former-buffalo-bills-de-shaq-lawson-tells-jake-fromm-you-couldnt-be-a-teammate-of-mine.html?outputType=amp https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/06/06/shaq-lawson-check-josh-allen-buffalo-bills-jake-fromm-drafted/amp/ I believe, based on this and that I heard, that Allen likely had to work his way through a pile of skepticism about his character when he came into the league from teammates. The tweets were from HS, and could be shown to be quotes from the sitcom Modern Family, and getting someone like Stephen Smith to speak to that pretty quickly may have helped. Allen clearly has a natural ability to connect with people and I think it wore off pretty quickly with his teammates and by the end of his rookie season through the league. Maybe someone who is more plugged in to locker rooms like @Kirby Jackson could comment or refute what Allen had to work through and how it's gone. Fromm said stuff that was more directly connected to Georgia's racial history and more recent on his part. I think he intended them as just kidding around, but kidding around about making a weapon so expensive only "elite whites" can own it might come across very differently to a black man when across the South and specifically in GA. GA did exactly that - systematically disarmed black citizens both by terror and specifically by 1896 legislation that required a license that was prohibitively expensive to obtain (it was not enforced on whites). The law was enforced through the Civil Rights era. Unarmed black men and women were then subject to lynching. The most recent known mob lynching took place at Moore's Ford Bridge in Walton County GA in 1946. A large number of townspeople witnessed but the case was never solved. There's a meticulously researched book about it, "Fire in a Cane Brake", if anyone has a strong stomach and wants to be educated. The victims were a black sharecropper who was in jail awaiting trial for a stabbing he committed (zero chance he would have gotten off), an "uppity" returned WWII Veteran, and their wives (one of whom was 7 months pregnant). If he wishes to redeem himself in the eyes of his teammates, Fromm is handicapped right now by being unable to meet in person. I imagine a lot of folks are reaching out to his GA teammates though, asking "is this some ignorant ***** or is that how he rolls?" 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Doc said: No, Josh's tweets from several years ago. Released right before he was drafted. ? released right before he was drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Happy said: You mean Fromm tweets? This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist. Allen's tweets were hip-hop lyrics and Modern Family. In a savvy move right after they came out, Allen reached out to Stephen Smith who confirmed that he had himself verified that, on-air, along with saying Allen did not excuse them for that, he took responsibility and said it was wrong. See explanation why Fromm's apparently nothing-burger remarks look like dumb jokes to me (and to you) but might come across differently to black men in my prev. post especially in view of current events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Putin said: ? released right before he was drafted ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Allen's tweets were hip-hop lyrics and Modern Family. In a savvy move right after they came out, Allen reached out to Stephen Smith who confirmed that he had himself verified that, on-air, along with saying Allen did not excuse them for that, he took responsibility and said it was wrong. See explanation why Fromm's apparently nothing-burger remarks look like dumb jokes to me (and to you) but might come across differently to black men in my prev. post especially in view of current events Ah, got it...thanks. I can see how black men would take offense to Fromm's joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I believe, based on this and that I heard, that Allen likely had to work his way through a pile of skepticism about his character when he came into the league from teammates. The tweets were from HS, and could be shown to be quotes from the sitcom Modern Family, and getting someone like Stephen Smith to speak to that pretty quickly may have helped. Allen clearly has a natural ability to connect with people and I think it wore off pretty quickly with his teammates and by the end of his rookie season through the league. Maybe someone who is more plugged in to locker rooms like @Kirby Jackson could comment or refute what Allen had to work through and how it's gone. Fromm said stuff that was more directly connected to Georgia's racial history and more recent on his part. I think he intended them as just kidding around, but kidding around about making a weapon so expensive only "elite whites" can own it might come across very differently to a black man when across the South and specifically in GA. GA did exactly that - systematically disarmed black citizens both by terror and specifically by 1896 legislation that required a license that was prohibitively expensive to obtain (it was not enforced on whites). The law was enforced through the Civil Rights era. Unarmed black men and women were then subject to lynching. The most recent known mob lynching took place at Moore's Ford Bridge in Walton County GA in 1946. A large number of townspeople witnessed but the case was never solved. There's a meticulously researched book about it, "Fire in a Cane Brake", if anyone has a strong stomach and wants to be educated. The victims were a black sharecropper who was in jail awaiting trial for a stabbing he committed (zero chance he would have gotten off), an "uppity" returned WWII Veteran, and their wives (one of whom was 7 months pregnant). If he wishes to redeem himself in the eyes of his teammates, Fromm is handicapped right now by being unable to meet in person. I imagine a lot of folks are reaching out to his GA teammates though, asking "is this some ignorant ***** or is that how he rolls?" I really don’t know Hap. I know that he had to earn trust after the tweets. It seems like Allen is in good with that locker room now. I could be wrong but it appears that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Nothing like a baited race war and hot topic bull#### to further divide people. The stats across the board say this is a non-issue. Like we are all supposed to bow and acknowledge privilege we don't even have. These big mouth clowns pocket millions and yet want to spout off about our priviledge and want us to bow to their demands. I guess it's my privilege to work 60 hours a week so I can barely afford to take my family to a game, only to watch the players cry, kneel and pout about injustice while they drive off in cars that cost more than our houses. There is no racial divide, it's an economic divide. Poor people of all races suffer injustice across the board. I feel for the hard working people of the black community who deserve better, but my heart does not go out to thugs looting the streets and destroying the lives of their own people as well as other hard working small businesses. We will see what happens if the league folds and if these players lose their privilege of playing a Childs game for a king's ransom.. Then we will see a change of tune. Or if the NFL reverts to back in the 60's and 70's where athletes made the same wages as working people. Shaq can kiss off. Glad he is gone. Candace Owens should be the NFL Commisoner. She'd put an end to this insanity real quick. Edited June 7, 2020 by BillsRdue 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 So what would he do, quit the team? I highly doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: Nothing like a baited race war and hot topic bull#### to further divide people. Like we are all supposed to bow and acknowledge privilege we don't even have. These big mouth clowns pocket millions and yet want to spout off about our priviledge and want us to bow to their demands. I guess it's my privilege to work 60 hours a week so I can barely afford to take my family to a game, only to watch the players cry, kneel and pout about injustice. There is no racial divide, it's an economic divide. Poor people of all races suffer injustice across the board. I feel for the hard working people of the black community who deserve better, but my heart does not go out to thugs looting the streets and destroying the lives of their own people as well as other hard working small businesses. We will see what happens if the league folds and if these players lose their privilege of playing a Childs game for a king's ransom.. Then we will see a change of tune. Or if the NFL reverts to back in the 60's and 70's where athletes made the same wages as working people. She can kiss a brick. Candace Owens should be the NFK Commisoner. She'd put an end to this insanity real quick. ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 46 minutes ago, Happy said: You mean Fromm tweets? This is interesting re: hip hop lyrics and Modern Family. I just figured it was a dumb joke, but did not think it was racist. No, I mean the Allen tweets from when he was 17. Fromm’s controversy isn’t tweet-related; it’s a text message Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 All I know is that if I played in the NFL, I would not want Shaq Lawson as a teammates of mines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) Josh, how dare you quote rap lyrics, or a tv show or whatever, as a teenager?? That must have been the dumbest conversation in Allen's life. Edited June 7, 2020 by arcane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, bmur66 said: Not sure what you meant but Drew Brees is an awesome stand up guy whose actions speak louder than his words. I don't think he needs anything explained to him nor does he owe anyone an apology. These are my words. Sometimes peoples disrespect is so loud that you can't hear what they are saying. Ok. But when the person himself says he needs to understand more, maybe you should take him for what HE says. Personally I think Drew is a standup guy as well. I don’t think he meant any harm. Now Drew spoke with other people and felt the need to apologize. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2020 season will be very interesting..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 He should stick to doing car insurance commercials for the General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane nelson Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Training camp will be interesting. I wonder what happens when players turn their back on him. If he is not stellar within the first two weeks, he gone Fromm here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 The Government should appoint Shaq to the department of putting people in check. Only question is, would he have to give up his position in the department of only showing up during contract years? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 2 hours ago, The Jerk said: Fitz gets a pass cause of epic beard possession, ya dig? Behave yourself, Joel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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