MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 This is an analysis using Next Gen Stats. Michael Thomas and Tyler Lockett are 1st and 2nd respectively. They have Diggs at #3: Stefon Diggs Buffalo Bills · WR Catch rate: 67%. Expected catch rate: 56.3%. Difference: 10.7 "We've entered the home-run hitters portion of this list. In what turned out to be his final season with the Minnesota Vikings, Diggs caught just 63 passes but outgained Lockett in receiving yards, riding a yards-per-reception rate of 17.9 to 1,130 (compared to Lockett's 1,057). His catch percentage wasn't nearly as high as Thomas' or Lockett's, but he made the most of his opportunities, posting a +10.7 percent catch-rate difference -- and he did so by winning press challenges. Diggs was pressed on 42 percent of routes run, enjoying just 2.5 yards of separation on average, yet his targets came with an air-yards average of 14.9. Most of his success was earned in single coverage, a testament to Adam Thielen's presence (despite Thielen's injuries) and a multi-level Vikings offense that didn't focus too heavily on Diggs." https://www.nfl.com/news/michael-thomas-tyler-lockett-among-10-best-pass-catchers-of-19 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 This is more impressive because of Thielen on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Why can't Brown seamlessly assume the role Thielen played in forcing opposing D's to also shade coverage elsewhere besides Diggs? Similar opportunities should abound in our offense, imho. I read it here first, that Brown is every rich man's #2, our poor man's #1 last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: This is more impressive because of Thielen on the field. I'm still wondering if Diggs will be better for John Brown's production (due to taking away double coverage and defensive focus, thus freeing him up more) or worse for Brown's production (due to Diggs taking targets away from Brown). Either way, it's good for the Bills. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: This is more impressive because of Thielen on the field. As stated by MJS - JB and Cole should stand to gain.....also this tidbit you left out which should describe the Bills in 2020 - and a multi-level Vikings Bills offense that didn't won't have to focus too heavily on Diggs. All of that above makes me worried that Diggs will cry about enough touches tho......sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, MJS said: I'm still wondering if Diggs will be better for John Brown's production (due to taking away double coverage and defensive focus, thus freeing him up more) or worse for Brown's production (due to Diggs taking targets away from Brown). Either way, it's good for the Bills. It will help both if Josh can adequately read defenses this year. Look off the safety and let it fly. I think Beasley will also benefit drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 So, top-10 you say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: It will help both if Josh can adequately read defenses this year. Look off the safety and let it fly. I think Beasley will also benefit drastically. Josh improved dramatically reading zone defenses over these two years He struggles way more in tight press man coverage. And diggs should help because he has a guy who could beat one-on-one coverage Edited May 18, 2020 by Buffalo716 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Josh improved dramatically reading zone defenses over these two years He struggles way more in tight press man coverage. Annie diggs should help because he has a guy who could beat one-on-one coverage And win contested catches, something our receivers have absolutely sucked at for a long, long time. Allen will be more willing to throw up 50/50 balls and not feel like he needs to lead his receivers so much on deep balls. Seriously can't think of a single contested catch from our wide receivers last year except for one or two from Duke Williams. I think Knox had a couple, but he's a TE. Edited May 18, 2020 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 44 minutes ago, Limeaid said: It is hard for smaller WRs to win contested catches for the bigger DB usually has leverage. Diggs isn't that big though. He's 6'0" and 194 pounds. And he's one of the best in the league at contested catches. I think the most important thing in catching contested passes is being able to high point the ball and get good position on the defender, but you are right, size does help a lot. And Diggs just has great hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MJS said: Diggs isn't that big though. He's 6'0" and 194 pounds. And he's one of the best in the league at contested catches. I think the most important thing in catching contested passes is being able to high point the ball and get good position on the defender, but you are right, size does help a lot. And Diggs just has great hands. he's insanely athletic. Like Sammy athletic, but with football focus and less crazy. as an aside watch clips of this Davis kid. He plucked a Josh pass lout of the air on a slant that looked 9 feet off the ground with out breaking stride. Imagine if both Diggs and Davis pass him on the chart? Edited May 18, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 can't wait to watch this offense go this year. could be a lot of fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, MJS said: Diggs isn't that big though. He's 6'0" and 194 pounds. And he's one of the best in the league at contested catches. I think the most important thing in catching contested passes is being able to high point the ball and get good position on the defender, but you are right, size does help a lot. And Diggs just has great hands. Great hands and equally as important, great body control in the air. cant wait to see this offense. Let’s hope the OL can give them holes and time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Why can't Brown seamlessly assume the role Thielen played in forcing opposing D's to also shade coverage elsewhere besides Diggs? Similar opportunities should abound in our offense, imho. I read it here first, that Brown is every rich man's #2, our poor man's #1 last year. That is not really what happened though. The coverage more often than not shaded to Diggs in Minnesota. The question is really does Brown make hay facing 1 on 1 more often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 ..but obviously will be eclipsed by the receivers drafted this year that have a 70% (or more) failure rate of even staying in the NFL for 3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is not really what happened though. The coverage more often than not shaded to Diggs in Minnesota. The question is really does Brown make hay facing 1 on 1 more often? I think the real question is does he make hay facing CB2s and I think the answer is unequivocally yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 3 hours ago, MJS said: I'm still wondering if Diggs will be better for John Brown's production (due to taking away double coverage and defensive focus, thus freeing him up more) or worse for Brown's production (due to Diggs taking targets away from Brown). Either way, it's good for the Bills. I think Brown will get more total yards in 2020, but fewer TDs. I think he will get a lot of opportunity but Diggs will be that clutch “go to” guy that Brown tried to be but wasn’t always able to make the play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 18, 2020 Author Share Posted May 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Brown will get more total yards in 2020, but fewer TDs. I think he will get a lot of opportunity but Diggs will be that clutch “go to” guy that Brown tried to be but wasn’t always able to make the play. I think Brown will have less production. Maybe not by much. Who knows? I imagine it turning out something like this for the top 3 WR's: Diggs- 1,200 yards, 9 TD's Brown- 900 yards, 7 TD's Beasley- 700 yards, 6 TD's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: he's insanely athletic. Like Sammy athletic, but with football focus and less crazy. as an aside watch clips of this Davis kid. He plucked a Josh pass lout of the air on a slant that looked 9 feet off the ground with out breaking stride. Imagine if both Diggs and Davis pass him on the chart? Davis is a stud. I understand people don’t know him, but living in FL I watched most of his UCF games. He runs routes so well. He will be a good fourth WR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 30 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Davis is a stud. I understand people don’t know him, but living in FL I watched most of his UCF games. He runs routes so well. He will be a good fourth WR. I want a 2! If brown is the third best WR it means this offense can do anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 We have Beasley which can be Diggs poor mans Thielen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Sherlock Holmes said: We have Beasley which can be Diggs poor mans Thielen. Brown is better than Thielen. He's a #1 WR. Thielen will struggle in that role this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I just love how we aggressively addressed this position......THREE wide receivers with 2 of them being drafted in a WR rich draft. Diggs was my guyu......wanted him on the bills for a while...he makes everything easier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and Knox will all have over 700 yards receiving this year while one go over 1000. Add another 300 for Singletary. Daboll is going to spread the ball around. 3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I want a 2! If brown is the third best WR it means this offense can do anything Brown is a 1a. He is better than any #2 in the league. Beasley is a role player perfect #3. The only issue will be who is the #2 when they are in a 2 WR red zone or running down and distance. Will they go with Duke Williams or the rookie for their size? Os just play it straight with Diggs and Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Doc said: Brown is better than Thielen. He's a #1 WR. Thielen will struggle in that role this year. Thielen is pretty dang good... 24 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Brown is a 1a. He is better than any #2 in the league. Beasley is a role player perfect #3. The only issue will be who is the #2 when they are in a 2 WR red zone or running down and distance. Will they go with Duke Williams or the rookie for their size? Os just play it straight with Diggs and Brown? Part of it will depend on matchups and the teams we faced. When we played Baltimore our receivers were getting mugged and the officials decided to just let them play, so we were physically outmatched. For teams like that they might play the bigger WR's (plus Diggs because he should never leave the field, IMO). Edited May 19, 2020 by MJS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, MJS said: Thielen is pretty dang good... We'll see. I'm betting he has a JuJu-like season without Diggs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 hours ago, GoBills808 said: I think the real question is does he make hay facing CB2s and I think the answer is unequivocally yes Yea that is right. 7 hours ago, Doc said: Brown is better than Thielen. He's a #1 WR. Thielen will struggle in that role this year. Hmmm. I have been the first to say Thielen will miss Diggs. But he is better than John Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Diggs, Brown, Beasley, and Knox will all have over 700 yards receiving this year while one go over 1000. Add another 300 for Singletary. Daboll is going to spread the ball around. Brown is a 1a. He is better than any #2 in the league. Beasley is a role player perfect #3. The only issue will be who is the #2 when they are in a 2 WR red zone or running down and distance. Will they go with Duke Williams or the rookie for their size? Os just play it straight with Diggs and Brown? Brown imo is overrated by bills fans. His ability to separate is limited in the route tree to the deeper /longer stuff and contested catch red zone ability haven’t been displayed. I like him, but wait till folks see Diggs up close. Teams with better #2’s Tampa Atlanta cleveland Maybe/debatable: Kansas City Arizona Seattle San Diego Dalllas new Orleans Edited May 19, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 10 hours ago, MJS said: I think Brown will have less production. Maybe not by much. Who knows? I imagine it turning out something like this for the top 3 WR's: Diggs- 1,200 yards, 9 TD's Brown- 900 yards, 7 TD's Beasley- 700 yards, 6 TD's I agree with this. It is hard to imagine that Diggs gets over 1k (which I believe) and at the same time Brown increases his production. I also expect Knox and RBs to produce more, and Allen won't throw 6.000 yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 14 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Why can't Brown seamlessly assume the role Thielen played in forcing opposing D's to also shade coverage elsewhere besides Diggs? Similar opportunities should abound in our offense, imho. I read it here first, that Brown is every rich man's #2, our poor man's #1 last year. I think Brown will be our Peerless Price this season 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 30 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Brown imo is overrated by bills fans. His ability to separate is limited in the route tree to the deeper /longer stuff and contested catch red zone ability haven’t been displayed. I like him, but wait till folks see Diggs up close. Teams with better #2’s Tampa Atlanta cleveland Maybe/debatable: Kansas City Arizona Seattle San Diego Dalllas new Orleans I agree with this although I still need to see more from Ridley. Just having to watch Benjamin, Zay, Holmes, Foster, Thompson, Matthews etc. over the two previous seasons made Brown look pretty good last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 16 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That is not really what happened though. The coverage more often than not shaded to Diggs in Minnesota. The question is really does Brown make hay facing 1 on 1 more often? He better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Doc said: Brown is better than Thielen. He's a #1 WR. Thielen will struggle in that role this year. No he’s not and you don’t know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Hmmm. I have been the first to say Thielen will miss Diggs. But he is better than John Brown. 6 minutes ago, Bangarang said: No he’s not and you don’t know that. We'll see if he can produce almost 71 yards/game without a true #1 opposite him. Do I smell a bet here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 The number of snaps played by Bills WR last year that are not just below average, but not NFL caliber WRs is astonishing. They now have 3 legit high quality NFL receivers on the team and an ever improving QB entering his third year. Expect big things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 16 hours ago, GunnerBill said: That is not really what happened though. The coverage more often than not shaded to Diggs in Minnesota. The question is really does Brown make hay facing 1 on 1 more often? Yep. huge question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Doc said: We'll see if he can produce almost 71 yards/game without a true #1 opposite him. Do I smell a bet here? Even if he doesn't, he is still a better receiver than John Brown. Look I have been king of the Diggs is better than Theilen party for 3 years. I am absolutely certain his production will be down without Diggs opposite him. But having Brown as better than him is bonkers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Even if he doesn't, he is still a better receiver than John Brown. Look I have been king of the Diggs is better than Theilen party for 3 years. I am absolutely certain his production will be down without Diggs opposite him. But having Brown as better than him is bonkers. So you are inferring Brown is better than Theilen? That i cant wait to see, if true Brown better have a much improved borderline monster year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: So you are inferring Brown is better than Theilen? That i cant wait to see, if true Brown better have a much improved borderline monster year. How did you get that from my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: How did you get that from my post? I was asking a question as i didnt understand what you were getting at. So I assume that means you think Theilen is better than Brown, am i correct on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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