Awwufelloff Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) He ran a 4.65 at combine. Impressive https://www.facebook.com/Coldfrontreport/videos/859100444586318/ Edited May 16, 2020 by Awwufelloff 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I guess that it what happens when your train more and take your shirt off? He is one built dude 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I think it’s great that the Bills staff trust the tape and don’t care about the combine, same goes for Epenesa. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I’m too amped for #MotorMoss. What a duo and we got them both in the 3rd. Don’t have to worry about RB at all for the next 4 years 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 He certainly looked football fast on tape. I didn't doubt his combine time but I felt he was faster than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 You could tell he was faster than 4.65 watching his tape. He broke a few long runs where nobody was able to catch him. If he was truly a 4.65 guy, he would have been caught easily by most DBs and that really didn't happen on film. Running this 4.52 seems much more like an accurate representation of where he is. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, scuba guy said: I guess that it what happens when your train more and take your shirt off? He is one built dude 13 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: He certainly looked football fast on tape. I didn't doubt his combine time but I felt he was faster than that. He had a hamstring injury at the Combine which affected his 40-time. This pretty much proves it. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: He had a hamstring injury at the Combine which affected his 40-time. This pretty much proves it. Came here to say this. Beat me to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 For $500, would you guys put on shoulder pads and take him head on? Like your the MLB filling in the hole on a goaline stand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) Sign up here if you want to try to tackle this dude: 1) 2) 3) 4) Anybody? 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: For $500, would you guys put on shoulder pads and take him head on? Like your the MLB filling in the hole on a goaline stand. For $50,000, I’d lie down and hope he tripped over me! When is the last time you felt this good about our RB position? Young, cheap and hopefully very productive! Edited May 16, 2020 by Augie 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 You can tell his football speed is amazing..... And I love Devin.....but these guys are going to have healthy competition in camp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, Augie said: Sign up here if you want to try to tackle this dude: 1) 2) 3) 4) Anybody? For $50,000, I’d lie down and hope he tripped over me! When is the last time you felt this good about our RB position? Young, cheap and hopefully very productive! You sound like you own a sweatshop in Cambodia. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You sound like you own a sweatshop in Cambodia. I thought this was a family friendly place! I’m more heavily invested in Malaysia. No..............I have a tennis buddy who left for there to visit family right before this virus garbage began. . Edited May 16, 2020 by Augie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 20-1 for rookie of the year I think he is going to go for 1000 rush yards and 10+ Rushing TDs. Kareem Hunt, frank gore. These are the guy I think about watching his highlights. The way he gets north and south reminds me of frank gore. His stiff arm, balance and vision reminds me of Kareem Hunt. Edited May 16, 2020 by buffalover4life 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: You can tell his football speed is amazing..... And I love Devin.....but these guys are going to have healthy competition in camp Devin didn't get the ball as much as he should have...but when he did he was top 3 in the whole league in YPC. If Moss can come in and do even close to that...we will have the best duo in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: For $500, would you guys put on shoulder pads and take him head on? Like your the MLB filling in the hole on a goaline stand. Yes and I would get trucked and then drown my sorrows 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Yes and I would get trucked and then drown my sorrows You are so little that he would probably kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: You are so little that he would probably kill you. I’m nearly 6 foot! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: I’m nearly 6 foot! Me too! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I said this when I watched his game film...in fact I said just that in the draft thread about him. Love what this kid is gonna add to our offense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I’m too amped for #MotorMoss. What a duo and we got them both in the 3rd. Don’t have to worry about RB at all for the next 4 years Aside from a #2 TE and a little improvement on the O-line, this offense is set. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Doc said: He had a hamstring injury at the Combine which affected his 40-time. This pretty much proves it. IMO, the Bills lucked out big time due to this. He dropped like a rock due to his combine numbers. Or so it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Awwufelloff said: He ran a 4.65 at combine. Impressive https://www.facebook.com/Coldfrontreport/videos/859100444586318/ I remember reading 4.6ish. Glad to know theres a little more in the legs. If Moss has true football speed, even better. 45 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Aside from a #2 TE and a little improvement on the O-line, this offense is set. Yes sir- kinda wish Duke Williams hybrid TE could be experimented with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Aside from a #2 TE and a little improvement on the O-line, this offense is set. LA, exactly. The good news is next year’s draft class is rich in TE’s, although we’ll have to draft replacements for the guys getting older. I won’t bring up the draft again until next year’s off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 love that he's keeping in great shape cause he is such a big part of the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Eh, Moss isn’t fast but that’s okay. It’s nice to see him improve his time but I don’t think that makes much difference. His game isn’t predicated on running away from people. Frank Gore’s game was never that either. Moss earns his money banging on people in the hole. He’s elite at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) Speed isn’t all that important for a RB, especially one like Moss. Being a 4.6 guy with his skills is plenty. I would bet that the video in the OP is closer to a 4.65 than it is a 4.52. Edit: Yeah, if you download the 4.52 video, depending on which frame you think he crossed the line in, he ran a 4.60-4.64. He is a 4.6 speed guy and that's totally fine. Edited May 16, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I don’t think that he’ll ever beat out Singletary as the primary back, but I don’t think he’ll disappoint as the secondary back either. Buffalo has a very deep backfield, Moss would start on many teams around the NFL, we’re very deep at RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Eh, Moss isn’t fast but that’s okay. It’s nice to see him improve his time but I don’t think that makes much difference. His game isn’t predicated on running away from people. Frank Gore’s game was never that either. Moss earns his money banging on people in the hole. He’s elite at that. yup. Our backfield won’t be considered fast but will hopefully excel in turning 2-3 yards into 7-10 more often than most 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I keep hearing people talk about a competition between Motor and Moss. I don’t see it that way at all. In 2020, teams deploy multiple backs depending on situation, health, effectiveness, scheme, etc... Moss was brought here to play alongside Motor. The Bills are going to use both backs just like SF does. It will be somewhere between 70/30 & 50/50. They could use a 3rd guy that’s a HR hitter and it would be an elite backfield. Maybe Wade could be that guy? If so, it would be found money. He appears to have that big play ability but that’s based on an incredibly small sample size. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wettlaufer Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 This guy is gonna be a beast in blitz pickup. I think we may see more 20 and 21 groupings with these two backs, maybe run a hurry up offense more often. Singletary plus Moss plus our WR corps provide tons of versatility on any down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Aside from a #2 TE and a little improvement on the O-line, this offense is set. I think they'll be fine at TE. They have Knox, Sweeney and Kroft. And this was a lousy year for them., 8 hours ago, The Dean said: IMO, the Bills lucked out big time due to this. He dropped like a rock due to his combine numbers. Or so it seems. Yep. Same for Epenesa and Fromm. Hopefully they all pay dividends. 56 minutes ago, DCOrange said: Speed isn’t all that important for a RB, especially one like Moss. Being a 4.6 guy with his skills is plenty. I would bet that the video in the OP is closer to a 4.65 than it is a 4.52. Edit: Yeah, if you download the 4.52 video, depending on which frame you think he crossed the line in, he ran a 4.60-4.64. He is a 4.6 speed guy and that's totally fine. It was electronically-timed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Doc said: I think they'll be fine at TE. They have Knox, Sweeney and Kroft. And this was a lousy year for them., Yep. Same for Epenesa and Fromm. Hopefully they all pay dividends. It was electronically-timed. The Combine technically is electronically timed as well and they still get it wrong too. He starts his run at 12.13 and depending on which frame you think he crosses the line, he finishes at 16.73-16.77. Subtract 12.13 from 16.73-16.77 and you get a 4.60-4.64 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 9 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: You sound like you own a sweatshop in Cambodia. Or a piece of a red-light district in Cambodia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 31 minutes ago, DCOrange said: The Combine technically is electronically timed as well and they still get it wrong too. He starts his run at 12.13 and depending on which frame you think he crosses the line, he finishes at 16.73-16.77. Subtract 12.13 from 16.73-16.77 and you get a 4.60-4.64 range. Which video are you talking about? The one in the OP shows him finishing with a 4.52 and a 10-yard split of 1.60, 20-yard of 2.63 and 30-yard of 3.61. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Which video are you talking about? The one in the OP shows him finishing with a 4.52 and a 10-yard split of 1.60, 20-yard of 2.63 and 30-yard of 3.61. If you download the 4.52 video into a video editor and look at the time stamps, he begins the run at 12.13 and finished somewhere between 16.73-16.77. 4.52 seconds into his run, he appears to be around the 37 yard line. If it’s electronically timed the same way it is at the combine, there is still human error involved as a human starts the timer and the electronic part kicks in just for the finish line. At any rate, there is no way you can watch the video with the timeframes that you get in a video editor and conclude that it’s a 4.52. Unless the video they posted is slowed down, the only logical explanation is that the timer didn’t start on time. Edit: the same thing happens with Combine times (and it’s even easier to figure it out with a video editor because it’s ***** at a much better angle. So for example, Jalen Reagor really ran around a 4.40 at the Combine but because his timer started too early, he was only credited with a 4.48 (or 4.47, I can’t remember for sure). Edited May 16, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, DCOrange said: If you download the 4.52 video into a video editor and look at the time stamps, he begins the run at 12.13 and finished somewhere between 16.73-16.77. 4.52 seconds into his run, he appears to be around the 37 yard line. I'm not going to do that. Suffice it to say he's fast enough to play in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 9 hours ago, The Dean said: IMO, the Bills lucked out big time due to this. He dropped like a rock due to his combine numbers. Or so it seems. I wouldn’t say that he dropped like a rock. He was widely considered to be a 3rd rounder and was going to be the 6th or 7th RB drafted depending on where teams stood on Dillon. He was technically 9th but 8th of you don’t consider Gibson an RB (which I don’t). He went 86 which is in line with where most experts seemed to have him. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/ I think Kiper was a little higher on him but in general that’s about where he was expected to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I wouldn’t say that he dropped like a rock. He was widely considered to be a 3rd rounder and was going to be the 6th or 7th RB drafted depending on where teams stood on Dillon. He was technically 9th but 8th of you don’t consider Gibson an RB (which I don’t). He went 86 which is in line with where most experts seemed to have him. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/ I think Kiper was a little higher on him but in general that’s about where he was expected to go. He was generally viewed as the 5th or 6th best RB prospect. He still was taken in the same range that most expected but there were definitely RBs taken ahead of him that were not expected to be. But yeah, definitely don’t think he dropped like a rock. It’s more that if you would have said 8 RBs were taken ahead of him, most people would have been a little surprised. It’s also obviously possible that NFL personnel were never as high on him as the media was. Edited May 16, 2020 by DCOrange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 11 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: I’m too amped for #MotorMoss. What a duo and we got them both in the 3rd. Don’t have to worry about RB at all for the next 4 years This running game will open up the passing game, and vice versa. If Josh can hit the long balls....watch out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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