Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy on Jake Fromm

[TwistofFate]

Apparently, according to Nagy, Buffalo is extremely happy with the Fromm pick.  The outcome of Allen will impact what happens to Fromm.  Nagy lays down a couple of scenario's surrounding Fromm's future.

 

 

 

Fromm talk begins at 16:51

[Lurker]

"....Nagy has been the Southeast Area Scout for the Seattle Seahawks for the past five years and has been an NFL scout for nearly two decades."

 

"Nagy was part of teams that appeared in six Super Bowls, including four winners (Green Bay Packers XXXI, New England Patriots XXXVIII, New England Patriots XXXIX, and Seattle Seahawks XLVIII)."

 

https://www.seniorbowl.com/jim-nagy-named-new-executive-director-of-rsb

 

(Edit:  Mike Griffth seems like a real dick...)

 

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by Lurker

[stinky finger]

Nagy lovin' him some Fromm. 

[Logic]

I like that Nagy said he feels that Fromm's lack of arm strength has been overstated. Nagy also mentioned him being in the mould of a Case Keenum or Andy Dalton. To me, if that's what Fromm ends up being, it's obviously a great pick. Whether that means Allen gets an awesome backup for four years, or they can flip him for a pick in the future, or he gets a shot to compete if Allen flames out, it's a good pick for Buffalo regardless.

[DJB]

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

Edited May 1, 2020 by DJB

[stinky finger]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m ok with the pick so long as IF Allen regresses this season they aren’t “all in” with Allen and Fromm going into the 2021 season and bring in a heavy investment at QB via FA or the draft prior to that season..... hopefully it’s a non issue and Allen continues to improve. 

 

I have an issue trusting these guys with the QB position considering their history.

 

You don't say? 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m ok with the pick so long as IF Allen regresses this season they aren’t “all in” with Allen and Fromm going into the 2021 season and bring in a heavy investment at QB via FA or the draft prior to that season..... hopefully it’s a non issue and Allen continues to improve. 

 

I have an issue trusting these guys with the QB position considering their history.

Overthinking can be dangerous. 

[Real McClappy]

5 minutes ago, DJB said:

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

I want to see the pass Nagy was referring too against Florida.

Edited May 1, 2020 by Real McNasty

[TwistofFate]

5 minutes ago, Real McNasty said:

I want to see the pass Nagy was referring too.

 

:56 second mark

 

 

 

 

[Dr. Who]

32 minutes ago, DJB said:

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

UGA fan. I think Fromm can be good. I like the pick. But as others have pointed out, arm strength is more an issue when it comes to mid-range outs and the like. Fella like Allen can zip them in and Fromm can't do that. He'll kill you with anticipation and reading the field. Personally, I think there's a fairly good chance both work out. For a fifth round pick, Fromm is a steal.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Fromm this past season and fromm 2 years ago are completely different players.

 

Not sure what exactly happened. Maybe it was surrounding talent maybe it was a scheme change. 

[Lurker]

39 minutes ago, DJB said:

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

 

Arm strength doesn't mean dropping balls in a bucket.     NFL QBs have to throw the majority of their balls with less arc than college QBs due to the better recovery time of DBs, tighter coverage, etc.    All of Fromm's passes (that I've seen) have a pronounced arc, even his dump offs.    If he can't overcome that, it won't matter what kind of head he has on his shoulders... 

 

[Seasons1992]

55 minutes ago, DJB said:

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

53 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’m ok with the pick so long as IF Allen regresses this season they aren’t “all in” with Allen and Fromm going into the 2021 season and bring in a heavy investment at QB via FA or the draft prior to that season..... hopefully it’s a non issue and Allen continues to improve. 

 

I have an issue trusting these guys with the QB position considering their history.

I’m literally the exact opposite at this point. The Peterman nightmare aside, they went a little bit against the grain. They targeted the high upside, low floor prospect. As of right now, Allen looks like the guy to me. He wasn’t the one that I would have taken. I wanted Rosen or Baker. I think that Josh is better than both.
 

Fromm has a chance to be a quality backup or asset. My feelings on the likelihood of that are documented but he was good value there at a position of need.

[Ralonzo]

56 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

:56 second mark

 

Don't rewind to :28, yeeeesh

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, DJB said:

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

Arm strength isn't about how far a quarterback can throw. Every professional quarterback can throw a football 55 -60yards

 

arm strength is about how much zip they can get within the 10 to 20 yard intermediate distance

 

Solid zip compared to average zip in the NFL is the difference between a completion and an INT

Edited May 2, 2020 by Buffalo716

[Cal]

You clowns still pushing Fromm lol. He is a bum. Was a 5th round pick for a reason. Go root for another team, this is Allen's team. Like is said before, don't understand the hate for Allen from 90% of you from the get go.

[Dr. Who]

30 minutes ago, Cal said:

You clowns still pushing Fromm lol. He is a bum. Was a 5th round pick for a reason. Go root for another team, this is Allen's team. Like is said before, don't understand the hate for Allen from 90% of you from the get go.

You know, they're both Buffalo Bills now. It's possible to root for both of them to do well. I've got an Allen jersey. I think he's likely to be very good. Still, wouldn't it be better for the team if Fromm turns out to be good at NFL qb, at least an upgrade to Barkley? (I know lots of folks think that is his ceiling and Epenesa is Shaq redux, etc. Maybe let's see how they play before deciding.) And Fromm is not a bum. He's bright, talented, and to some degree was held back by loss of talent, a defensive minded conservative head coach, and an OC that lasted one year.

[TwistofFate]

55 minutes ago, Cal said:

You clowns still pushing Fromm lol. He is a bum. Was a 5th round pick for a reason. Go root for another team, this is Allen's team. Like is said before, don't understand the hate for Allen from 90% of you from the get go.

For now....we will revisit that comment at the end of this season.  By that time it may very well be Fromm's team. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

For now....we will revisit that comment at the end of this season.  By that time it may very well be Fromm's team. 

0% unless Allen is hit by train

 

The Love fest with a backup quarterback is ridiculous. He's not as good as Josh Allen

[Doc]

2 hours ago, TwistofFate said:

 

:56 second mark

 

 

 

A good throw but that's not what I think of when I think of a 10-12 yard out. I'm thinking more of what happens in the following video at 1:02 and 2:50:

 

 

[TwistofFate]

7 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

A good throw but that's not what I think of when I think of a 10-12 yard out. I'm thinking more of what happens in the following video at 1:02 and 2:50:

 

 

 

 

What does Peterman have to do with Fromm?

 

I can show TONS of highlights of Josh Allen not even able to hit the broad side of a barn, so who cares about his arm strength?  How many deep passes and outs did Allen wiff on this past year?  TONS.  He was one of the worst passers in the NFL, that is a fact. 

 

I'm not even close to sold on Allen, as every single in depth, meaningful statistic shows he is going to fail.

Edited May 2, 2020 by TwistofFate

[msw2112]

Fromm is an ideal candidate for a backup QB role.  Smart, humble, etc.  Has talent but not elite, so probably not a huge threat to the starter, but can come in and keep the chains moving and not make a lot of mistakes.  The upside is that he shows really well and can be dealt for a higher draft pick in the future, the likelihood is that he shows OK and is a good, reasonably priced backup for years to come, and the downside is that he's a bust and you're out a 5th round pick, which isn't a big deal in the scheme of things.  A good draft pick in this slot.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

What does Peterman have to do with Fromm?

 

I can show TONS of highlights of Josh Allen not even able to hit the broad side of a barn, so who cares about his arm strength?  How many deep passes and outs did Allen wiff on this past year?  TONS.  He was one of the worst passers in the NFL, that is a fact. 

 

I'm not even close to sold on Allen, as every single in depth, meaningful statistic shows he is going to fail.

 

Settle down.  First of all, if you're thinking Fromm has a chance to unseat Allen anytime soon, you'll be sorely disappointed.

 

As for the video, I'm using it to illustrate what a 10-yard out means to me.  And whether Fromm has thrown any of those (without it getting INT'd).  And if there are none of those...it means he's smart enough to know he can't make that play.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

To be real, when this was in the National championship game as a freshman: I assumed down there road he’d be a #1 overall pick. Fast forward to now and we get the guy in a round where you usually pick 80% special teams nobody’s. Can’t be anything but thrilled about it. The possibilities are endless and the risk is zero. I believe this kid has a chance to be a long term back up and fringe starter (Frank Reiech type). Worst case he never materializes and it’s really no harm done.

[Buffalo716]

13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

To be real, when this was in the National championship game as a freshman: I assumed down there road he’d be a #1 overall pick. Fast forward to now and we get the guy in a round where you usually pick 80% special teams nobody’s. Can’t be anything but thrilled about it. The possibilities are endless and the risk is zero. I believe this kid has a chance to be a long term back up and fringe starter (Frank Reiech type). Worst case he never materializes and it’s really no harm done.

When I watched that national championship game my buddy said that's the number one pick in 3 years

 

I laughed and said no that's a fifth round pick. Lots of good college quarterbacks never translate , you need traits which he doesn't have many of

 

I knew there was no chance he'd be a top round pick

[ALLEN1QB]

Fromm may end up being one of those picks talked about for years.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

58 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

 

 

What does Peterman have to do with Fromm?

 

I can show TONS of highlights of Josh Allen not even able to hit the broad side of a barn, so who cares about his arm strength?  How many deep passes and outs did Allen wiff on this past year?  TONS.  He was one of the worst passers in the NFL, that is a fact. 

 

I'm not even close to sold on Allen, as every single in depth, meaningful statistic shows he is going to fail.

 

LOL; someone's getting a little taste of their own medicine!  Love it.   

[Shaw66]

4 hours ago, Logic said:

I like that Nagy said he feels that Fromm's lack of arm strength has been overstated. Nagy also mentioned him being in the mould of a Case Keenum or Andy Dalton. To me, if that's what Fromm ends up being, it's obviously a great pick. Whether that means Allen gets an awesome backup for four years, or they can flip him for a pick in the future, or he gets a shot to compete if Allen flames out, it's a good pick for Buffalo regardless.

Zactly.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

 

As for the video, I'm using it to illustrate what a 10-yard out means to me.  And whether Fromm has thrown any of those (without it getting INT'd).  And if there are none of those...it means he's smart enough to know he can't make that play.

The guy being interviewed, who certainly sounds like he knows his stuff, says he has tape of just the throw you want.  He says Jake doesn't have a great arm, but he has an nfl arm. 

 

I don't think he's taking Josh's job, bit he could be a great backup for three years or so.  The guy compares him to Case Keenum.  I will take Case all day as a backup.  

[CBennett]

I saw a bunch of guys say look he doesnt have a ROCKET arm but when they compared his arm strength they directly compared it to Brady, Manning(both mannings), Montana,there was one other successful..maybe Brees they also put in there and said he has the same/equal as those guys....not great NOT a noodle arm.

[Aussie Joe]

Beane was trying to spend this pick trying to move up for Zac Moss...

 

Whilst I am not a fan of Fromm so far and have low expectations about him amounting to much ..  the risk of giving him an opportunity is negligible...

[Jay free]

Love the Fromm pick. He plays like a baby drew Bree's. Regardless of arm strength; the kid sticks the pigskin right in there. Not afraid to take chances. Ahhhhhh reminds me of the Amish Rifle .....our boy Ryan Fitzmagic.......

 

[eball]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

 

I have an issue trusting these guys with the QB position considering their history.

And, you have an issue with them at WR. And, you have an issue with them at OL. And...

 

[JimmyNoodles]

I thought of Fromm as no lower than a 3rd round prospect, so to get him in the 5th is a steal. I felt sure the the Pats* were going to draft him as he fell. I felt he was a perfect fit for their short passing game. People comparing him to Barkley are off base. Watch some tape of Barkley and you will see “moon balls.”  Fromm, while not the greatest athlete, is not that guy. He played against NFL caliber players his entire career and won. This pick is nothing but upside, even if the end result is only a quality backup.  This is a pick smart GMs make. The investment is next to nothing and the return potential is huge. You could easily make the argument that backup QB is the 2nd most important position on the team. 

[Da webster guy]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

0% unless Allen is hit by train

 

The Love fest with a backup quarterback is ridiculous. He's not as good as Josh Allen

 

Agreed.  It's not even remotely close.

 

Fromm won't see the field for at least two years if he makes the team at all.

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, DJB said:

Again I posted this in the Fromm thread

 

 

 

 

A beautiful pass from his own 14 to the opposing 40 right in the bucket hitting the WR in stride. 

 

I don't really think throwing long looping passes with touch downfield is what they mean when they say lacking arm strength.

 

I think its more can he drive the ball to the opposite sideline on a 10 yard out with a CB in tight coverage or will it be like Peterman and hang in the air too long and get picked. That's the type of thing they are talking about with arm strength.

2 hours ago, CBennett said:

I saw a bunch of guys say look he doesnt have a ROCKET arm but when they compared his arm strength they directly compared it to Brady, Manning(both mannings), Montana,there was one other successful..maybe Brees they also put in there and said he has the same/equal as those guys....not great NOT a noodle arm.

 

Does he have a better arm than Peterman? The question will be can he drive the ball across the field on a 10 yard out with a CB in tight coverage when needed or will the ball hang like it did when Peterman threw it and it gets picked. That is the million dollar question.  If he can make that throw well enough he has enough arm strength to play and succeed in this league as long as he throws with anticipation.

[TwistofFate]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

The guy being interviewed, who certainly sounds like he knows his stuff, says he has tape of just the throw you want.  He says Jake doesn't have a great arm, but he has an nfl arm. 

 

I don't think he's taking Josh's job, bit he could be a great backup for three years or so.  The guy compares him to Case Keenum.  I will take Case all day as a backup.  

I posted the exact throw Nagy was talking about on the first page. 

 

18-19 yard out from the opposite hash mark on a rope and on time. 

 

He made it pretty easily and that is about as tough as it gets. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, msw2112 said:

Fromm is an ideal candidate for a backup QB role.  Smart, humble, etc.  Has talent but not elite, so probably not a huge threat to the starter, but can come in and keep the chains moving and not make a lot of mistakes.  The upside is that he shows really well and can be dealt for a higher draft pick in the future, the likelihood is that he shows OK and is a good, reasonably priced backup for years to come, and the downside is that he's a bust and you're out a 5th round pick, which isn't a big deal in the scheme of things.  A good draft pick in this slot.

Great value pick. I have no doubt he takes over for Barkley. Smart kid with decent arm and better character. 

[Fan boy '92]

5 hours ago, Cal said:

You clowns still pushing Fromm lol. He is a bum. Was a 5th round pick for a reason. Go root for another team, this is Allen's team. Like is said before, don't understand the hate for Allen from 90% of you from the get go.

Hit 60% of yor passes and you'll see the hate dissipate quickly.