Any Bills Cut candidates with trade value?

[Dkollidas]

We saw Wyatt Teller & Russell Bodine get dealt for late round picks last season.

 

This year were much deeper and better overall in Our talent base.

 

Looking at that so we see Buffalo doing a similar set of moves this off-season. 
 

basically feels like Beane has his own way of getting comp picks without getting the actual Comp picks.

 

but I could see guys like Robert Foster, Ryan Bates, Ty Nsekhe, & Trent Murphy getting dealt for picks if anyone will take them.

 

who do you feel is a candidate and what could they get in return for them if they were traded? 

[ehfeuh57]

please dont say Ty Nsekhe

 

I feel he was our most valuable backup last year, and we did not draft OL

 

I dont have an answer to the question though

[WMDman]

I feel like the obvious one is trent Murphy 

[SCBills]

Yea, I’m definitely the “Keep Nsehke” camp.  He’s a decent player.  Nothing great, but we could do a lot worse.  
 

I don’t know that anyone will be giving us a pick for Murphy given his salary owed.  Maybe. 

With so many teams addressing WR in the insanely deep draft.  Foster and Duke look more like straight cuts to me. 

 

Then again, I have no idea how we got a pick for Bodine, so we’ll see. 
 

 

Edited May 1, 2020 by SCBills

[Brennan Huff]

6 minutes ago, WMDman said:

I feel like the obvious one is trent Murphy 

Not with that contract

[BubbaT]

Spencer Long. He's position versatile at both center and guard and has been a starter in the league. The Bills have enough depth to replace him at either position more cheaply. Only a 700K cap hit for the year. He's better than both guys they got draft picks for last year and somebody always seems to need O linemen.

[Rocky Landing]

Trade for what? Late round draft picks next year? Another running back? LB depth?

I've said in other threads, and I firmly believe that this season, continuity is going to be a valuable asset in the NFL. And, all three of the other teams in our division are going through significant turnover. With severely limited TC, and other team activities, the teams lacking continuity are going to have it much harder this time around dialing in their systems. Many teams are going to have a clumsy first half of the season-- and who even knows how the regular season schedule is going to affected? With the continuity we have on this roster (and that includes Trent Murphy) we could start the season tomorrow and be firing on all cylinders. How many teams can say that?

[Paulus]

40 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Trade for what? Late round draft picks next year? Another running back? LB depth?

I've said in other threads, and I firmly believe that this season, continuity is going to be a valuable asset in the NFL. And, all three of the other teams in our division are going through significant turnover. With severely limited TC, and other team activities, the teams lacking continuity are going to have it much harder this time around dialing in their systems. Many teams are going to have a clumsy first half of the season-- and who even knows how the regular season schedule is going to affected? With the continuity we have on this roster (and that includes Trent Murphy) we could start the season tomorrow and be firing on all cylinders. How many teams can say that?

Yeah, trade players you are going to cut for late round picks... Why do you seem so opposed to it?

[Rocky Landing]

24 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Yeah, trade players you are going to cut for late round picks... Why do you seem so opposed to it?

Because at this point I don't see us cutting anyone of value before training camp. Even depth players like Long, or McKenzie, or anyone who plays on special teams provides us with continuity from last season, and continuity is far more valuable this year than in previous years.

[billsfan89]

Spencer Long comes to mind if Bates lights it up and D.Williams has a good camp. But I think they want to roll 4 deep along the Oline. I think a Johnson on the Dline could be a late round pick type deal. 

[GunnerBill]

Trent Murphy - though I do agree what others say about his cap hit. Robert Foster and Isaiah McKenzie if they don't make the team might have 6th and 7th round value because they have what everyone wants.... speed. If Darryl Williams has a nice camp maybe Nsekhe if someone would give you a 4 or a 5.... I doubt they flip him for less but to a competitive "win now" team whose left tackle goes down right before the season that could make sense. 

 

Shock name, because I think they really like him, Harrison Phillips. 

[cage]

it probably highly situational.  Depends on where other teams have injuries, gaps due to poor performance and where some of our talent stands out as a better alternative.  In addition to Bodine and Teller last year the Bates trade involved a DE.  Its possible for trades of DL, OL, maybe WR, maybe even Barkley depending on the circumstances I just described.  

[machine gun kelly]

I doubt we’ll find a trade partner for our players, but I guess you never know.  I wouldn’t want to let go Long, and  Nsekhe go.  If we could even get a 6th or 7th for Murphy would be great.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, Dkollidas said:

but I could see guys like Robert Foster, Ryan Bates, Ty Nsekhe, & Trent Murphy getting dealt for picks if anyone will take them.

Based upon some previous seasons' multiple page threads, why would we trade the 'Second Coming of the Messiah'?!  ?

[H2o]

It could happen with the aforementioned people in this thread, but I think our team is all in on this year and we have really nice depth at key positions. Only if guys who hold value are made expendable by the play of others will this happen. I expect both Hodgins and Davis to make the roster so you have Duke, Foster, and McKenzie fighting it out for more than likely one roster spot. If a trade is to happen I would expect it to come from there. They like Murphy and he is in the final year of his deal. Nsekhe provided valuable depth and you need that on your OL so he is gonna stay. I think they stand pat this year and attempt to slip some of the younger guys on the PS. Or you could see the Vosean Joseph effect again with a couple of the players they really like being placed on IR due to injury. 

[BarleyNY]

I don’t understand why so many people here want to dump Trent Murphy because he’s making $8M this season.  To accomplish what?  To get a second round rookie on the field and gut our depth at DE?   I’m sorry, it’s ridiculous.  Or maybe you guys like Addison a lot more than me.  To me he is good as depth/rotation, but I don’t want him starting.  Nor do I want to count on Epenesa being our starter in year one.  Let’s not forget that rookies - especially big ones - tend to wear down as the season wears on.  And then there’s the matter that he’s totally unproven in the NFL.  I liked the pick too, but why put so many eggs in that basket if we don’t have to?

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, H2o said:

It could happen with the aforementioned people in this thread, but I think our team is all in on this year and we have really nice depth at key positions. Only if guys who hold value are made expendable by the play of others will this happen. I expect both Hodgins and Davis to make the roster so you have Duke, Foster, and McKenzie fighting it out for more than likely one roster spot. If a trade is to happen I would expect it to come from there. They like Murphy and he is in the final year of his deal. Nsekhe provided valuable depth and you need that on your OL so he is gonna stay. I think they stand pat this year and attempt to slip some of the younger guys on the PS. Or you could see the Vosean Joseph effect again with a couple of the players they really like being placed on IR due to injury. 

 

The issue is simply on the OL and the DL it becomes a numbers game. They have 10 legitimate roster candidates on the dline as I see it (excluding Vincent Taylor). There is no way they keep more than 9. So the question becomes do you keep just your best 9 and cut one (which would likely be Johnson last year's 7th rounder who is both young and very cheap) or from a long term roster perspective does it make more sense to flip one of the others who projects to be a backup if you can get some draft capital back in return? Muprhy would make the most sense but maybe his cap number precludes it.... would they flip Vernon Butler right after bringing him in? Maybe, but unlikely. 

 

On the Oline they have their 5 starters and two main backups from last year (Nsekhe and Long) they have added Williams and Boehm who at different levels have NFL starting experience and then they have two youngsters Bates and Boettger who we know they really like. That is 11 and again I doubt they keep more than 9. As last year the question is why keep Wyatt Teller as a backup who might be considered a smidgen better than Ike Boettger or Ryan Bates when you can flip him for a 5th round pick and keep the other guy? 

 

The numbers game means there will be legitimate NFL players on both lines who won't make our roster. When it comes to deciding which stick as backups it is more than just who are the best of them.... age, contract and market value are all going to be considerations.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

30 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t understand why so many people here want to dump Trent Murphy because he’s making $8M this season.  To accomplish what?  To get a second round rookie on the field and gut our depth at DE?   I’m sorry, it’s ridiculous.  Or maybe you guys like Addison a lot more than me.  To me he is good as depth/rotation, but I don’t want him starting.  Nor do I want to count on Epenesa being our starter in year one.  Let’s not forget that rookies - especially big ones - tend to wear down as the season wears on.  And then there’s the matter that he’s totally unproven in the NFL.  I liked the pick too, but why put so many eggs in that basket if we don’t have to?

I'de dump the last year of Murphy for 1 year of Everson Griffen. 

[Niagara Dude]

7 hours ago, WMDman said:

I feel like the obvious one is trent Murphy 

I think most would agree on Murphy,  he is not a 10 million dollar player and Bills can save 7.5 million by cutting him.  That gives Beane money to spend in the summer on guys that other team let go.  I still think the team needs to address the LB position,  

[CaptnCoke11]

I would say no but .. they got a pick for Newhouse so you never know 

Edited May 1, 2020 by CaptnCoke11

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think most would agree on Murphy,  he is not a 10 million dollar player and Bills can save 7.5 million by cutting him.  That gives Beane money to spend in the summer on guys that other team let go.  I still think the team needs to address the LB position,  

Carry over that $7.5 million next year also. I think that's what they're going to do. Go with Hughes, Addison, Epenesa, and Johnson. Jefferson can also slide outside.

[Cripple Creek]

Beane is a witch. Nothing he does surprises me any more.

[Paup 1995MVP]

Why is Long always mentioned as a backup?  Were our starting guards even that good last year?   They were not John Hannah and Alan Faneca.  Or even Jim Ritcher and Ruben Brown for that matter.  (I always thought Ruben while good was somewhat overrated)  Let them all compete for starting jobs.  Morse is our center.  Dawkins is our LT I guess.  (Think he needs to play better this year)  And let the rest compete for the remaining 3 positions.  Long Spain Feliciano Ford Boehm Boettgher for the Guards.  Nseke Ford Bates Williams and Adams at RT.  I think the team wants Ford to show enuf to start at RT.  But I think Williams' best at RT is better then Fords.  And you then go with Ford at RG and Williams at RT.  Maybe Long is better then Spain on the left side.  Time will tell.  But the 5 who are starting need to play better then they did  in 2020.  That will be a big boost to the offense.  And sure Beane may be able to flip a back up or two for a late round pick.  He is the master.   The Bodine trade still cracks me up.  He sucked!!

 

As for Murphy.  He played well late in the year and in the playoff game.  If he continues that, we may want to keep him.  We would have Murphy Hughes Addison Jefferson Epenesa and Johnson.  Competition is great.  Lets see what Johnson can do before we start thinking he is something special.  It will play itself out.  Roster predictions the week after the draft are always a bit silly.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

QB: In a world where we got the first pick in round 3 for Tyrod and a 5th rounder for AJ McCarron, I have to believe Barkley has some value.

 

WR: it is very likely that at least 2 of Isaiah McKenzie, Duke Williams, and Robert Foster are not making the team, if not all 3. Some day 3 value there for a WR needy team.

 

OL: Ty Nsekhe probably has the best value on the list, and Darryl Williams may make him expendable. Spencer Long possible as well.

 

DL: Moving Trent Murphy wouldn't be surprising. 

 

K: Stephen Hauschka might have value if Bass comes away with the job.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t understand why so many people here want to dump Trent Murphy because he’s making $8M this season.  To accomplish what?  To get a second round rookie on the field and gut our depth at DE?   I’m sorry, it’s ridiculous.  Or maybe you guys like Addison a lot more than me.  To me he is good as depth/rotation, but I don’t want him starting.  Nor do I want to count on Epenesa being our starter in year one.  Let’s not forget that rookies - especially big ones - tend to wear down as the season wears on.  And then there’s the matter that he’s totally unproven in the NFL.  I liked the pick too, but why put so many eggs in that basket if we don’t have to?

 

Because I don't think he is very good. 

[papazoid]

trent murphy is in BIG trouble

 

they save $9.7 mil by trading him and $8.0 mil by outright cutting him. likely a jun 1 designation.

 

you have  quality in Mario Addison to replace him. you also have Epenesa and jefferson as quality rotation. several other lesser names in the mix.

 

why would they do it ?? to extend Tre White, Dawkins, Milano

[GunnerBill]

12 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Why is Long always mentioned as a backup?  Were our starting guards even that good last year?   They were not John Hannah and Alan Faneca.  Or even Jim Ritcher and Ruben Brown for that matter.  (I always thought Ruben while good was somewhat overrated)  Let them all compete for starting jobs.  Morse is our center.  Dawkins is our LT I guess.  (Think he needs to play better this year)  And let the rest compete for the remaining 3 positions.  Long Spain Feliciano Ford Boehm Boettgher for the Guards.  Nseke Ford Bates Williams and Adams at RT.  I think the team wants Ford to show enuf to start at RT.  But I think Williams' best at RT is better then Fords.  And you then go with Ford at RG and Williams at RT.  Maybe Long is better then Spain on the left side.  Time will tell.  But the 5 who are starting need to play better then they did  in 2020.  That will be a big boost to the offense.  And sure Beane may be able to flip a back up or two for a late round pick.  He is the master.   The Bodine trade still cracks me up.  He sucked!!

 

As for Murphy.  He played well late in the year and in the playoff game.  If he continues that, we may want to keep him.  We would have Murphy Hughes Addison Jefferson Epenesa and Johnson.  Competition is great.  Lets see what Johnson can do before we start thinking he is something special.  It will play itself out.  Roster predictions the week after the draft are always a bit silly.  

 

I think Dawkins just has to play how he played down the stretch for a full season. If he does that he will be a top 10 left tackle or pretty close to it next year. But he has to prove it. Because he hasn't put a full season together at that level yet.

 

Morse is the one who has to play better of the two you are putting in as definite starters. He was very good in pass pro last year but he was below average as a run blocker and to play up to his contract that has to change. 

 

I think there will be an element of competition at guard. I'd be surprised if Spain didn't ultimately end up our left guard and to a lesser extent if Feliciano didn't end up our right guard. Obviously though the shorter the pre-season period and camp even less chance someone else takes one of those jobs. 

2 minutes ago, papazoid said:

trent murphy is in BIG trouble

 

they save $9.7 mil by trading him and $8.0 mil by outright cutting him. likely a jun 1 designation.

 

you have  quality in Mario Addison to replace him. you also have Epenesa and jefferson as quality rotation. several other lesser names in the mix.

 

why would they do it ?? to extend Tre White, Dawkins, Milano

 

And because the next time Trent Murphy keeps run contain will be the first time. His 5 sacks and 9 QB hits last year were nice but not nice enough for someone who is a liability against the run.

[ALLEN1QB]

Josh Allen because Fromm is going to light it up!!

Edited May 1, 2020 by ALLEN-2-DIGGS-TD!!

[BarleyNY]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because I don't think he is very good. 

I disagree.  He’s a good DE IMO or at least he was last season.  He sucked in 2018.   At the time I didn’t like the contract we gave him in 2018 because he was coming off a bad knee injury - and it sure showed that season.  But times have changed.  He seems like he’s back from the knee and big and $8M is pretty reasonable for a solid starting DE these days.  I’m good with the current group and moving on from him next season.  What’s your plan at DE once you get rid of him?

[papazoid]

as far as O-line goes

 

RT will be between Ty Nsekhe & Daryl Williams

 

Cody Ford can't handle speed rushers from RT. he starts as a Guard.

 

that makes Long or even Feliciano in trouble.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

I disagree.  He’s a good DE IMO or at least he was last season.  He sucked in 2018.   At the time I didn’t like the contract we gave him in 2018 because he was coming off a bad knee injury - and it sure showed that season.  But times have changed.  He seems like he’s back from the knee and big and $8M is pretty reasonable for a solid starting DE these days.  I’m good with the current group and moving on from him next season.  What’s your plan at DE once you get rid of him?

 

My plan to replace him? I dunno, a rusty traffic cone? 

 

He was decidedly not good in 2019 in my opinion. He is one of the worst run defenders I have ever seen. When he was on the field teams just ran right at him. The Giants opening drive, the Cowboys opening drive and one of the long Raven drives stand out as exceptionally bad where they just targeted Murphy on consecutive runs and he was all over the placed. He is atrocious at setting the edge. He has some, limited, rotational rusher value but I think Johnson could do that role. 

 

My plan would be start Hughes and Addison (who I don't love either) with healthy doses of AJ and Jefferson and a bit of Johnson in obvious passing situations. 

 

Murphy should be gone. He sucks. 

[DJB]

I'm sure Beane will trade some useless player to the Patriots again this year for a pick 

[BeastMaster]

1 hour ago, BarleyNY said:

I don’t understand why so many people here want to dump Trent Murphy because he’s making $8M this season.  To accomplish what?  To get a second round rookie on the field and gut our depth at DE?   I’m sorry, it’s ridiculous.  Or maybe you guys like Addison a lot more than me.  To me he is good as depth/rotation, but I don’t want him starting.  Nor do I want to count on Epenesa being our starter in year one.  Let’s not forget that rookies - especially big ones - tend to wear down as the season wears on.  And then there’s the matter that he’s totally unproven in the NFL.  I liked the pick too, but why put so many eggs in that basket if we don’t have to?

So you don't like a much better player in Addison, but wanna keep Trent Murphy?

 

Ooooooook

[Gugny]

Gonna need to get rid of one of our TEs to make room for Jason Pegula.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The issue is simply on the OL and the DL it becomes a numbers game. They have 10 legitimate roster candidates on the dline as I see it (excluding Vincent Taylor). There is no way they keep more than 9. So the question becomes do you keep just your best 9 and cut one (which would likely be Johnson last year's 7th rounder who is both young and very cheap) or from a long term roster perspective does it make more sense to flip one of the others who projects to be a backup if you can get some draft capital back in return? Muprhy would make the most sense but maybe his cap number precludes it.... would they flip Vernon Butler right after bringing him in? Maybe, but unlikely. 

 

On the Oline they have their 5 starters and two main backups from last year (Nsekhe and Long) they have added Williams and Boehm who at different levels have NFL starting experience and then they have two youngsters Bates and Boettger who we know they really like. That is 11 and again I doubt they keep more than 9. As last year the question is why keep Wyatt Teller as a backup who might be considered a smidgen better than Ike Boettger or Ryan Bates when you can flip him for a 5th round pick and keep the other guy? 

 

The numbers game means there will be legitimate NFL players on both lines who won't make our roster. When it comes to deciding which stick as backups it is more than just who are the best of them.... age, contract and market value are all going to be considerations.

 

 

There's always the option of also trading a player for player at another position too.  Sort of what they did with Harold for Bates.  Maybe there's a LB out there or a RB that they had their eyes on that they can pry away with a cut candidate due to an injury or something.  

[Simon Says]

I think Bates is too versatile to cut. Maybe Foster can re-discover his 2018 mojo while contributing on special teams. If they can find a younger retrurner, Roberts might have trade value. I am okay moving on from Lee Smith and Jason Croom

Edited May 1, 2020 by Georgie
spelling

[BarleyNY]

16 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

So you don't like a much better player in Addison, but wanna keep Trent Murphy?

 

Ooooooook

 

Sorry.  Addison is a pretty good player, but he is not better than Murphy - and that’s the reason he’ll be backing him up this year.  I think that is the correct decision and that it will be the one McD makes.  It really seems like 2018 is overshadowing last season.  I’ll just leave it there.  

[Simon Says]

20 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

So you don't like a much better player in Addison, but wanna keep Trent Murphy?

 

Ooooooook

We have all summer ( I hope ) to decide. Hughes. Addison, Epenesa, Love , Johnson plus Cox and Jefferson,are a good group.. I was hoping for more of a speed rusher;maybe a DE/LB hybrid. If Murphy can still play, might as well finish out the last year if his deal

[BeastMaster]

26 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Sorry.  Addison is a pretty good player, but he is not better than Murphy - and that’s the reason he’ll be backing him up this year.  I think that is the correct decision and that it will be the one McD makes.  It really seems like 2018 is overshadowing last season.  I’ll just leave it there.  

Addison is without a doubt a better player 

Wow

[MrSarcasm]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The issue is simply on the OL and the DL it becomes a numbers game. They have 10 legitimate roster candidates on the dline as I see it (excluding Vincent Taylor). There is no way they keep more than 9. So the question becomes do you keep just your best 9 and cut one (which would likely be Johnson last year's 7th rounder who is both young and very cheap) or from a long term roster perspective does it make more sense to flip one of the others who projects to be a backup if you can get some draft capital back in return? 

 

 

No.

Johnson is not going anywhere. I personally think he is good enough to start on a few teams and will be taking Hughes spot in 2021.

Taylor is the first to go.

Edited May 1, 2020 by MrSarcasm