Irv Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) I get the feeling that Brady and Belicheck want to prove that they don't need each other...that their individual and collective legacy wasn't because of a system (Brady) or the best quarterback of all-time (Belicheck). Brady left and Belicheck didn't draft and hasn't yet gone out to get a QB. I don't think that question will be answered this year because I think they are both going to do poorly. They will be saddled with that question for all time. Or I could be overthinking it and Belicheck is just plain vicious and thankless and realized Brady has lost it and let him walk. Edited April 28, 2020 by Irv 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Of course it’s ego. Remember, before Brady, Belichick was a below average coach. Granted, he had some bad teams in cleveland and NE But he’s only 51-65 when Brady wasn’t his QB, which includes a 11-5 years with Matt Cassel as the Qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I refuse to believe the Pats are going into the season with Stidham and Hoyer as their QBs. Options? - Trade for Dalton. Sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice. But the cap hit is $18 million so they'd have to shed big money somewhere else. - Sign Cam. Hard to think that Belichick-Newton would work. - Sign Flacco. He was told he'd be released by the Broncos with a failed physical designation. I think he still wants to play. I know I'm in the minority here, but ... he wasn't terrible in 2019. Just not good enough to win. Kind of a checkdown artist at this stage of his career. Squint hard enough and you could have imagined him putting in a Brady 2019 type season (yeah, that's not good, but good enough to win 12 games) in NE. Brady QB rating in 2019: 88.0. Flacco: 85.1. See what I mean? Or maybe we'll still see some kind of much bigger trade than everyone's expecting .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) Definitely Belichick's ego. For God's sake he let the dog draft for him. The guy truly feels he can win with anyone. Edited April 28, 2020 by H2o 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Their egos got in the way of what? Winning 6 super bowls? 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Brady had enough of the "Patriot Way", and didn't like how things went there with getting him weapons on offense. He's a vocal player but I've never seen him chew guys out as much as he did last year. There's also reason Gronkowski came back to play with him in Tampa. There's no chance he returns if Tom's still in New England. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandBillsFan Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I agree with this. Unfortunately, (or fortunately) I think they are both gonna come up on the wrong end of it. If I had to guess both are 9-7 for the next couple years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 This exact point has been made here for thousands of times over a span of 5+ years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Maybe it was boredom.. they are both in their twilight and looking for one last challenge? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, arcane said: This exact point has been made here for thousands of times over a span of 5+ years. What else are we going to do. I'm locked in my house. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 39 minutes ago, H2o said: Definitely Belichick's ego. For God's sake he let the dog draft for him. The guy truly feels he can win with anyone. The dog did okay for his first draft. He may have a future in a front office somewhere in the league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irv Posted April 28, 2020 Author Share Posted April 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: The dog did okay for his first draft. He may have a future in a front office somewhere in the league. I'd take dead dog over Whaley. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) My pure speculation....Belichick is going to bottom out the team this year and retire. The Pats will do everything they need to do to get Trevor Lawrence. Josh McDaniels will be the HC. Belichick cares about McDaniels too much to start him off with a crap team with no QB -- that's why he is coaching this year. McDaniels has been exceedingly loyal and Belichick feels the need to repay that loyalty. Loyalty is a honor code with Belichick... With my amazing track record of speculation -- this means tomorrow NE trades for Dalton or signs Newton... Edited April 28, 2020 by JoeF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 super hot take. wait until "the national media" gets ahold of this.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Listened to Sal Cappacio today and he said it’s quite possible Beane drafted Jake Fromm thinking the Pats really wanted him. Makes sense: Bellicheat trying to draft Brady Junior (smart kid, student of the game, not a huge arm, not super mobile, but super accurate). If so, I love it! Go Beane. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I refuse to believe the Pats are going into the season with Stidham and Hoyer as their QBs. Options? - Trade for Dalton. Sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice. But the cap hit is $18 million so they'd have to shed big money somewhere else. I'm not sure how the contracts/cap works with trades, but I'd assume they'll try to trade for Dalton & regotiate his contract. I'm sure Dalton would jump at the chance to start for $10M vs sit & watch a rookie for $18M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, JoeF said: My pure speculation....Belichick is going to bottom out the team this year and retire. The Pats will do everything they need to do to get Trevor Lawrence. Josh McDaniels will be the HC. Belichick cares about McDaniels too much to start him off with a crap team with no QB -- that's why he is coaching this year. McDaniels has been exceedingly loyal and Belichick feels the need to repay that loyalty. Loyalty is a honor code with Belichick... With my amazing track record of speculation -- this means tomorrow NE trades for Dalton or signs Newton... I don’t see Belichick’s ego allowing him to look sucky as soon as Brady leaves. I don’t see him as being loyal to anything other than his evil, cheating self. I hope to see him competing for 3rd to 4th in the AFCE until he retires. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Listened to Sal Cappacio today and he said it’s quite possible Beane drafted Jake Fromm thinking the Pats really wanted him. Makes sense: Bellicheat trying to draft Brady Junior (smart kid, student of the game, not a huge arm, not super mobile, but super accurate). If so, I love it! Go Beane. Fromm wasn't even super accurate last year. He threw a lot of wobblers and balls that hit the dirt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Fromm wasn't even super accurate last year. He threw a lot of wobblers and balls that hit the dirt What were his college stats TD/INT ratio? Completion %? I know it was decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: What were his college stats TD/INT ratio? Completion %? I know it was decent. His TD to int ratio is pretty great. But he still went from 34-6 to 24-5 . His completion% went from 67 to 60 and his arm just seemed off for a guy going into his big JR year Edited April 28, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 If you believe that Tom and Bill both badly want to win without each other (which I do): Belichick is playing the long game. TB has 1-2 years left max, Bill can coach as long as he is healthy and has the desire. The 2020 Pats don't have the horses, TB or otherwise. They have an old roster and they have cap problems. They haven't drafted a Pro Bowler since 2013. There was no reason to think that running it back with Brady was going to work. Tom will go to Tampa get hurt and that will be the end. Bill will have a great time playing 2020 with a terrible roster and getting credit for grinding to 9-7 ... but he is playing the long game and trying to load up for another run. How Stidham fits into this is obviously anyone's guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) I think Brady wanted to experience something new. He spent his entire career in NE and never experienced free agency, never had to learn a new offense, never got to play for a different coach, never really got to experience the NFL outside of the cult-like Patriots organization. It's not like Bill Belichick is fun to be around or fun to have as your coach. And Brady took discounts much of his career to keep the team good and he's unhappy that it didn't give him less crap from Belichick. Belichick still treated him like every other player, pretty much. Bill Belichick I do think is on an ego trip. I think he wanted rid of Brady back when Jimmy G was still there. But honestly, I can't blame him for planning for the future and not putting all your eggs in a 40+ year old Brady basket. Edited April 28, 2020 by MJS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Irv said: I get the feeling that Brady and Belicheck want to prove that they don't need each other...that their individual and collective legacy wasn't because of a system (Brady) or the best quarterback of all-time (Belicheck). Brady left and Belicheck didn't draft and hasn't yet gone out to get a QB. I don't think that question will be answered this year because I think they are both going to do poorly. They will be saddled with that question for all time. Or I could be overthinking it and Belicheck is just plain vicious and thankless and realized Brady has lost it and let him walk. Belly is losing for Lawrence. Edited April 28, 2020 by Buffalo Barbarian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Pobably is a tale of two egos tbh. I can see it from both sides. Brady wants better weapons, because, as has been pointed out, he's been very team friendly with re-structures etc., and feels he's due some help. Belichick sees Brady is nowhere near the player he was, so is going back to good D and running the football, and will get players that suit that, because Garoppolo got run out of town. Brady has probably got an extra two years at the Cheaters, due to Kraft, but I believe that even Kraft has seen the regression in Brady, over the last couple of years. I would not be at all surprised if Belichick goes shooping for a QB @ lastminute.com, and gets someone capable, for peanuts. The Cheaters season will start slowly, but they will be a solid team again by the last part of the season, and still be challenging for a playoff berth. I really don't care what happens with the Buccs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Fromm wasn't even super accurate last year. He threw a lot of wobblers and balls that hit the dirt Once he is throwing outside the numbers or more than 15 yards downfield I think he is pretty inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Listened to Sal Cappacio today and he said it’s quite possible Beane drafted Jake Fromm thinking the Pats really wanted him. Makes sense: Bellicheat trying to draft Brady Junior (smart kid, student of the game, not a huge arm, not super mobile, but super accurate). If so, I love it! Go Beane. If they really wanted him they would have drafted him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Clearly, they disagreed on the cheating protocol. Or maybe somebody finally figured out how to jam the signals to Marcia's helmet, telling her which receiver to throw to. Good luck in Tampa Bay Marcia, you cheatin' *****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It will be a healthy thing for me to see a Bills sweep or 2 before BB decides to retire. That guy has owned us for too long. He's a great coach, but people do stay past their shelf life in sports. Shula owned us for ages, too, before the game passed him by a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Their egos got in the way of what? Winning 6 super bowls? I think you missed the OPs point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I think you missed the OPs point... Oh no I got it. It’s a ridiculous point responded to in kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Sadly, I think the Patriots will be good next year. I just hope the Bills are better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 12 hours ago, slaphappy said: Maybe it was boredom.. they are both in their twilight and looking for one last challenge? Agree 1,000 percent on this. I think both were done with the situation they had been in for 20 years. 10 hours ago, MJS said: I think Brady wanted to experience something new. He spent his entire career in NE and never experienced free agency, never had to learn a new offense, never got to play for a different coach, never really got to experience the NFL outside of the cult-like Patriots organization. It's not like Bill Belichick is fun to be around or fun to have as your coach. And Brady took discounts much of his career to keep the team good and he's unhappy that it didn't give him less crap from Belichick. Belichick still treated him like every other player, pretty much. Bill Belichick I do think is on an ego trip. I think he wanted rid of Brady back when Jimmy G was still there. But honestly, I can't blame him for planning for the future and not putting all your eggs in a 40+ year old Brady basket. I don't think it's ego at all with Belichick. He's the smartest, most creative coach in history, and I simply think he wants a new challenge before he's all done. Doing the same thing over and over doesn't hold much appeal for a coach in the twilight of a legendary career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I have learned in most situations chemistry is a huge component of the end product, football is a bit different because you have a lot of different moving parts & most players that make it into the NFL are either elite, really close to that status, or will be shown that they are not worthy ! In bands more so than not if that chemistry is changed by a new member it can be catastrophic ! Molly Hatchet when Danny Jo had to quit, Aerosmith when the toxic twins broke up, and most all the bands that Clapton left basically folded upon him leaving but the fame followed him to more bands & then his own individual fame . Will Brady be like Clapton & go on to prove he was biggest component of the chemistry that made the Pats champions so many times ? Bellichek has made runs with out Brady but will he be like the Bulls when Micheal left to play a different ball game ? Close but no cigar ... Some leaders are the difference ! Every situation there always has to be leaders in team sports you usually need at least 2 or more , Bellichek- Brady, Jackson- Jordon and usually there are huge ego's involved in that chemistry . I'm watching "The Last Dance" the chemistry on those teams were like that that the Pats have shown for 20 + yrs the coach is the mastermind that lays out what needs to be done then the leaders on the team take over & have to motivate the others to bring up their game while the coach keeps the overall plan in focus . Brady will be known as one of those motivators by his actions in NE if he brings a championship to Tampa that will just confirm to everyone that he is intact the G.O.A.T. I don't think he will win another championship in Tampa but i have learned I'm not gonna put anything past him cause with Brady when you least expect it Expect it !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 This is going to be one of the biggest storylines of the upcoming season (if we have one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, JoPoy88 said: Oh no I got it. It’s a ridiculous point responded to in kind. Okay then... I guess we will all do what we can to remember that your the one that’s right.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 52 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I don't think it's ego at all with Belichick. He's the smartest, most creative coach in history, and I simply think he wants a new challenge before he's all done. Doing the same thing over and over doesn't hold much appeal for a coach in the twilight of a legendary career. And the most cheatiest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 11 hours ago, Augie said: I don’t see Belichick’s ego allowing him to look sucky as soon as Brady leaves. I don’t see him as being loyal to anything other than his evil, cheating self. I hope to see him competing for 3rd to 4th in the AFCE until he retires. It's not in Belichick nature anyway, but absolutely yes to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I refuse to believe the Pats are going into the season with Stidham and Hoyer as their QBs. Options? - Trade for Dalton. Sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice. But the cap hit is $18 million so they'd have to shed big money somewhere else. - Sign Cam. Hard to think that Belichick-Newton would work. - Sign Flacco. He was told he'd be released by the Broncos with a failed physical designation. I think he still wants to play. I know I'm in the minority here, but ... he wasn't terrible in 2019. Just not good enough to win. Kind of a checkdown artist at this stage of his career. Squint hard enough and you could have imagined him putting in a Brady 2019 type season (yeah, that's not good, but good enough to win 12 games) in NE. Brady QB rating in 2019: 88.0. Flacco: 85.1. See what I mean? Or maybe we'll still see some kind of much bigger trade than everyone's expecting .... Flacco is not a good QB. Pretty much parlayed long stretches of average play in the regular season combined with great play in the playoffs into a massive payday. Kinda similar to Foles in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: I refuse to believe the Pats are going into the season with Stidham and Hoyer as their QBs. Options? - Trade for Dalton. Sometimes the obvious choice is the right choice. But the cap hit is $18 million so they'd have to shed big money somewhere else. - Sign Cam. Hard to think that Belichick-Newton would work. - Sign Flacco. He was told he'd be released by the Broncos with a failed physical designation. I think he still wants to play. I know I'm in the minority here, but ... he wasn't terrible in 2019. Just not good enough to win. Kind of a checkdown artist at this stage of his career. Squint hard enough and you could have imagined him putting in a Brady 2019 type season (yeah, that's not good, but good enough to win 12 games) in NE. Brady QB rating in 2019: 88.0. Flacco: 85.1. See what I mean? Or maybe we'll still see some kind of much bigger trade than everyone's expecting .... They can’t and won’t be able to afford either Dalton or Newton this year unless Belichick guts the team completely and at that point you wouldn’t have a team worth signing either Dalton or Newton for 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Honestly, i could give less than a ***** about the NE dream team at this point..... 1) they broke up 2) we had a pretty good draft and i'm excited to see how it all plays out this season 3} we got ourselves a pretty good team and NE is the farthest thing from my mind Let it go, man........you dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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