Backup running back - how about going back to 2018?

[Coach55]

The perfect veteran backup running back is available to backstop Singletary.   He already knows the system and could probably be obtained cheap - that man - LeSean McCoy.   He wants to play 2 more years, he meets McDermott's work ethic standards and still has enough gas in the tank to be called on when needed.  He liked playing here and the only reason he was cut was for salary cap purposes.  Fast forward one year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the quality back up that we are all craving. 

[Watkins101]

No. He's done.

[whorlnut]

?‍♂️

[IgotBILLStopay]

may be a decent pickup for under 3 mill. knows the system - will help in seasons without a good offseason.

[Bangarang]

No

[hondo in seattle]

17 minutes ago, Coach55 said:

The perfect veteran backup running back is available to backstop Singletary.   He already knows the system and could probably be obtained cheap - that man - LeSean McCoy.   He wants to play 2 more years, he meets McDermott's work ethic standards and still has enough gas in the tank to be called on when needed.  He liked playing here and the only reason he was cut was for salary cap purposes.  Fast forward one year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the quality back up that we are all craving. 

 

I'm not sure about the gas.

 

In any case, I'd like our other back to be a big, bruising, between-the-tackles kind of guy.

 

Thunder and Lightning.

Edited April 12, 2020 by hondo in seattle

[I'm Spartacus]

He'd never want to come back. He probably feels like we stiffed him. He will say the Bills "disrespected" him.

Too much of a "me" guy, but I liked his play a few years back.

[KD in CA]

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, I'm Spartacus said:

He'd never want to come back. He probably feels like we stiffed him. He will say the Bills "disrespected" him.

Too much of a "me" guy, but I liked his play a few years back.

What’s this based on? 

Just now, KD in CA said:

Shady was a great player. He is no longer a good player.

[YoloinOhio]

Not happening 

[JaCrispy]

Wrong answer, McFly! ?

Edited April 12, 2020 by JaCrispy

[I'm Spartacus]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

What’s this based on? 

 

It's based on my gut feeling and Shady's personality I have assessed over his years as a Bill

[T master]

I just read a article probably the one you are referring to & i didn't understand the why it went down last year only that 1 had to go because they wanted to use Singletary but now that Gore is gone as long as Shady wasn't to booty hurt about last year he could come back & be #2 .

 

I have looked at another guy in the draft though the kid out of Memphis looks like a Derick Henry type back & he should be there in the later rounds 3 or 4 which could be a real good get for the Bills !! 

 

So a lot with Shady would hinge on what Beane plans on doing in the draft .

Edited April 12, 2020 by T master

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said:

It's based on my gut feeling and Shady's personality I have assessed over his years as a Bill

That feels pretty unfair when everything he’s said is to the contrary (including his interview with Tre). By all accounts, including his, he loved his time in Buffalo. Additionally, he’s fighting FOR a NFL roster spot this year. He will go anywhere that is interested.

 

With that being said, he’s done. There are a lot better options out there.

[CSBill]

Don't dislike Shady, but really, what has he done the last two years to make anyone think he has anything to offer at this point?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I wouldn’t go the washed up veteran route.

 

We don’t need more Mike Tolbert's, Chris Ivory’s, Frank Gore’s. 
 

Do what we did last year, get a 22-year old rookie with some juice in their legs.
 

The Bills/Beane will add competition, but I’d rather have Yeldon than McCoy.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Bob in STL]

No to McCoy.  
 

Draft a stud to compliment Singletary.  Get a bulldozer type back. for short yardage.   Bonus if he can block and catch out of the backfield.  

 

Two good backs on rookie contracts, build for the future. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Bob in STL

[947]

Shady will still be unsigned until after the draft, as will all the other FA RBs. If something weird happens where we don't draft a RB, only then would I even consider it. I don't see it as anything other than a worst case scenario move.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

The other thing that happens with veteran players is the Bills coaching staff feels like the owe them playing time because of legacy, and so players like Gore and McCoy get entirely too much playing time as younger more explosive players are held back.

 

RB is not a position to try and go back in time.

Get younger and faster. 
 

It’s one of the things I disagreed with Beane about, talking about how they wanted downhill thumping of Gore instead of Yeldon. 

[Redneck]

I think we are in a perfect position to get a top RB in RD2.  While we need more depth at LB and something more at Edge, we have invested in those, but not much at RB.  Carlos Hyde is still available - can we get him for $2M?

[Bulldog]

23 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I wouldn’t go the washed up veteran route.

 

We don’t need more Mike Tolbert's, Chris Ivory’s, Frank Gore’s. 
 

Do what we did last year, get a 22-year old rookie with some juice in their legs.
 

The Bills/Beane will add competition, but I’d rather have Yeldon than McCoy.

 

I couldn't agree more - get us some young fresh legs - every year there are quality backs found mid to late round in the draft & sometimes even some quality UDFA are found. We have plenty of veteran's in  the locker room - do we really need to add a another washed up veteran RB for "locker room presence"?  I say skip the retread bin & get us a young back to pair with Singletary.

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Coach55 said:

The perfect veteran backup running back is available to backstop Singletary.   He already knows the system and could probably be obtained cheap - that man - LeSean McCoy.   He wants to play 2 more years, he meets McDermott's work ethic standards and still has enough gas in the tank to be called on when needed.  He liked playing here and the only reason he was cut was for salary cap purposes.  Fast forward one year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the quality back up that we are all craving. 

How much gas is left and how do you support the assertions?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

We saw this with Greg Olsen.

 

If he came here, Dawson Knox would be on the bench, watching a past their prime 35 year old. 
 

Coaches like familiar, they like systems. 
 

But our offense is starved for points, not physicality. Rex showed that you aren’t going to show up and just bulldoze an opponent out of the way. 
 

Prioritize the playmakers. 

[Mister Defense]

1 hour ago, Coach55 said:

The perfect veteran backup running back is available to backstop Singletary.   He already knows the system and could probably be obtained cheap - that man - LeSean McCoy.   He wants to play 2 more years, he meets McDermott's work ethic standards and still has enough gas in the tank to be called on when needed.  He liked playing here and the only reason he was cut was for salary cap purposes.  Fast forward one year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the quality back up that we are all craving. 

 

 

Never considered that, kind of like it.  He had almost 700 total yards last year, 4.6 yards a carry.

 

Singletary, the clear starter, would have yet another Hall of Fame caliber mentor.

 

And left on good terms, I think,  had nothing negative to say (from what I know) and seemed to like playing here.

 

I think he would welcome it, to end his career in Buffalo

 

And McDermott can speak to Reid about him, in depth. I assume he already has?

 

I like it, at a low price with incentives. May not need to give him very much at all guaranteed.

 

51 minutes ago, CSBill said:

Don't dislike Shady, but really, what has he done the last two years to make anyone think he has anything to offer at this point?

 

 

4.6 yards a carry last year and caught 28 passes.  Veteran leadership, mentor.

[Codyny13]

Bills want a downhill runner to compliment Devin. That came out of Beane’s mouth. That’s why Gore played over Yeldon. There will be a downhill runner added to this roster.

[BubbaT]

He's toast

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Codyny13 said:

Bills want a downhill runner to compliment Devin. That came out of Beane’s mouth. That’s why Gore played over Yeldon. There will be a downhill runner added to this roster.

Did he really say downhill runner?

[Straight Hucklebuck]

7 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

4.6 yards a carry last year and caught 28 passes.  Veteran leadership, mentor.

But why pay that salary for a backup? When you can simply draft someone who is faster and not on their last legs?

 

Gore’s career is at the end, he’s having to switch teams now every year. McCoy is in the same boat, having to extend his career with one years deals.

 

A 5th rounder could come in and give you 4 yards a carry and pass catching ability without the salary and play time pressure. 

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I wouldn’t go the washed up veteran route.

 

We don’t need more Mike Tolbert's, Chris Ivory’s, Frank Gore’s. 
 

Do what we did last year, get a 22-year old rookie with some juice in their legs.
 

The Bills/Beane will add competition, but I’d rather have Yeldon than McCoy.

 

When it comes to professional sports, you don't want a team that relies on nostalgia more than reality.

This is especially true in football, and even more of the case at the running back position.

 

Shady was an incredible RB in this league, and I loved having him as a Buffalo Bill. 

But age has clearly taken its toll on the guy.  He played for the Super Bowl champions last year, on a team without a great running game, and was a healthy scratch for the entire postseason.  He's done.

 

We need another rookie to pair with Devin Singletary.

 

[WhoTom]

Shady might want to play two more years but his body disagrees. He's done.

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Coach55 said:

The perfect veteran backup running back is available to backstop Singletary.   He already knows the system and could probably be obtained cheap - that man - LeSean McCoy.   He wants to play 2 more years, he meets McDermott's work ethic standards and still has enough gas in the tank to be called on when needed.  He liked playing here and the only reason he was cut was for salary cap purposes.  Fast forward one year and I wouldn't be surprised if he is the quality back up that we are all craving. 

 

I do not think he was just cut for salary cap reasons.  I believe he would have been resistant to be 2nd or even 3rd running back. Do you think he would be wiling to be backup to TJ Yeldon? 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

32 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Bills want a downhill runner to compliment Devin. That came out of Beane’s mouth. That’s why Gore played over Yeldon. There will be a downhill runner added to this roster.

All that means is a slow plodding veteran.

 

That is a strategy that holds Allen back and doesn’t allow for points to be scored. 
 

When Frank Gore or Chris Ivory or Mike Tolbert or Lesean McCoy is on the field, the defense has no concern. They know it’s base defense, 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

 

It’s a relic of the past that coaches can’t get over.

Edited April 12, 2020 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

The reason they let McCoy go was because Singletary came along well enough. I think they are looking for power to compliment quick. 
 

Also Shady probably has 50 touches left in him   

[Mickey]

I'd rather try to find a diamond in the rough in the 4th or 5th round than wrap my fish in last week's papers. 

 

No, I don't know what that metaphor means or why I said it. Blame the absinthe. 

 

Is dementia a covid-19 symptom?

[Orlando Tim]

57 minutes ago, Codyny13 said:

Bills want a downhill runner to compliment Devin. That came out of Beane’s mouth. That’s why Gore played over Yeldon. There will be a downhill runner added to this roster.

This is more the reason then Shady being washed up- I think Shady would be effective 10 touches a game but not the type of touches we need. Gore became very ineffective the last month of the season.

[NewEra]

No.  We need speed

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

This is more the reason then Shady being washed up- I think Shady would be effective 10 touches a game but not the type of touches we need. Gore became very ineffective the last month of the season.

In my opinion 10 touches for McCoy is 10 too many. Those represent wasted downs, and the Bills have enough 3 & outs and dead 3rd quarters as it is. Too much nostalgia and reverence for McCoy. He’s shot, Gore’s shot, Ivory and Tolbert were shot, it’s over for 32+ year old backs. 
 

John Murphy talked about McCoy like he was a Barry Sanders, and call me a millennial, but the last thing I want as a Bills fan is an offense that “runs through” a 200-year old running back.

 

Singletary and a rookie. There Devin, now you are the veteran of the group. 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Straight Hucklebuck

[WhoTom]

12 minutes ago, Mickey said:

I'd rather try to find a diamond in the rough in the 4th or 5th round than wrap my fish in last week's papers.

 

If I could give you two "likes" for that, I would: one for the opinion and one for the metaphor.

 

[Lurker]

no...

[hondo in seattle]

2 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

No to McCoy.  
 

Draft a stud to compliment Singletary.  Get a bulldozer type back. for short yardage.   Bonus if he can block and catch out of the backfield.  

 

Two good backs on rookie contracts, build for the future. 

 

The OJ type backs get drafted in the first round.

 

Bulldozers usually last a little longer.  I don't follow college football very closely but I imagine there's a good bulldozer to be found when the Bills are picking.