Would You Attend A Bills Game Without A Covid-19 Vaccine?

[Royale with Cheese]

I had the flu about 3 weeks before this pandemic started.

 

The doctor told me that rapid tests are only about 60% accurate and I have every sign it’s the flu....she diagnosed me with the flu without testing me.

 

I really wonder if it had it because I’ve never had the flu that hurt so bad.  I never had breathing problems though....

[TroutDog]

2 hours ago, JMF2006 said:

Good Luck and God Bless you.

 

I will say a prayer for you .

Thank you! I will do the same for you. ? 

[May Day 10]

I say maybe.

 

If it's still out there and we have a fair handle on testing, tracking, etc, and/or a hammer treatment for the symptoms, then yes.

 

If it's wildfire with deaths all over, then no

[boater]

A preventative vaccine would be nice.

 

But I'm drinking the Kool-Aid on Hydroxychloroquine and Zinc as a cure.

[BillsfaninChicago]

I think I already had it from when I went to Vegas back in January. I had a brutal dry cough and fever for about 4 days even had to miss some school and work. It eventually went away though but it was so random and so brutal it made wonder.

[hondo in seattle]

Until the Covid 19 storm blows over, I'm avoiding all public places as best I can.  First of all, I'm 61 and my lungs have been screwed up since the Gulf War (oil fires?  chemical agents?). 

 

Plus, I don't want to become a carrier who gets other people sick.

 

Like BisonMan, I'm not expecting a vaccine or effective treatment by the 2020 NFL season.  

[Kirby Jackson]

I took the ultimate Switzerland route here and said maybe. Maybe to me though depends more on what transpires between now and then. I’d lean towards yes if I had to pick but if a game was played today I would be a no. My “yes” lean is assuming that we continue to learn and improve the situation between now and then. I don’t necessarily need the vaccine to go but need some progress from this current situation.

[Boatdrinks]

29 minutes ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

Omg people ?

 

Corona is a mild flu at best. Everyone tests positive for it because it's so easy to pick up a strain that never does anything just like herpes simplex. 

 

PLEASE just look up the huge amount of doctors with better credentials than anyone you see on tv absolutely baffled and disturbed by all this bs. Italy is now reporting 88% of their people died from non coronavirus related illnesses. Go on the CDC website right now. They are telling doctors to mark cause of death as covid based on loose assumptions. Unprecedented. COVID-19 does not even fulfill Koch's postulates--it's not even a confirmed virus!

 

This is all a ploy to enact martial law (it's already in place if you can't tell), full police state, and to force mandatory vaccinations along with Bill Gates' ID2020 (along with about 10 more operations including crashing the economy and transitioning to digital currency (already passed two weeks ago)).

 

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GET ANY OFFERED VACCINE OR ID INJECTION

 

Stop allowing others to think for you. Kneejerk react all you want but this is what's actually happening. I'm sure a bunch of you will select the laughing emoji because it's the extent of your ability to process alternate information, but good luck. Especially if you get the 'vaccine.' And while you're at it, research vaccines and virology and the joke of a history both have. If being able to attend a football game is your reason for allowing Bill Gates to inject you then you have more to worry about (maybe look up his history in Africa and India--or not). 

Some of this is a bit “ out there” to me, but much of it isn’t all that far off from reality. Without going full PPP here, let’s just say how you vote may have a correlation with how easily you cede your rights and freedoms to the state. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Boatdrinks

[Whites Bay]

Hard Pass.  F No.  My best childhood friend is getting a trach tube today having fought for his life on a vent for two weeks.  Only a true and utter idiot would take this thing lightly, or consider it a "simple flu".  Good luck with that.  I'll send flowers.  Maybe dead ones.

 

And there's not going to be a vaccine this year anyway, so it doesn't matter.

 

Now, as for televising games without a crowd, they'll essentially be like the first week of college bowl games in December, when Northeast Central Missouri A&T plays Mount St. Mary's Sisters of the Blind.  The game looks good until they pan away, or get a field level shot.  And then you realize there are 4 people at the 50 yard line, and three of them are the coach's siblings.  But with clever camera work, you don't even know.

[DrDawkinstein]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Yep.  They are constantly calling me to give plasma for the COVID fight.  Being O Neg and then fighting and winning I guess it is in high demand.  So I give them as much as they are allowed to take, as often as they can take it.

 

Not a Medical guy so I am not sure if my O- applies to my plasma too, but I know they always want as much blood and now plasma as they can get.  I am always answering that call.

 

 

Now my biggest fear is getting sick and being in the hospital on my death bed, and the doctors come in and say "Good news, we can treat you! We just have to get 2 liters of MAJBobby flowing through ya."

 

I'd have a tough decision to make at that point!

 

 

 

But seriously, thank you and good job!

[LeGOATski]

"Maybe" seems like the logical choice here. Depends on the circumstances around what we find out from now until then.

 

If everything is the same, no.

Edited April 10, 2020 by LeGOATski

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

"Maybe" seems like the logical choice here. Depends on the circumstances around what we find out from now until then.

 

If everything is the same, no.

If everything is the same at that time there would be no attending a game in NY. 

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep.  Fought the 'Rona and won, now I have the immunity.  It was an easy fight actually felt like the flu, I am going to attribute that to all the unknown shots the Army gave me for 20 years.  

 

I know I have given a ton of plasma already

 

Good for you.  Thanks for your service and for donating your plasma.  We're all in this together, and you have more than done your part. 

25 minutes ago, Whites Bay said:

Hard Pass.  F No.  My best childhood friend is getting a trach tube today having fought for his life on a vent for two weeks.  Only a true and utter idiot would take this thing lightly, or consider it a "simple flu".  Good luck with that.  I'll send flowers.  Maybe dead ones.

 

And there's not going to be a vaccine this year anyway, so it doesn't matter.

 

Now, as for televising games without a crowd, they'll essentially be like the first week of college bowl games in December, when Northeast Central Missouri A&T plays Mount St. Mary's Sisters of the Blind.  The game looks good until they pan away, or get a field level shot.  And then you realize there are 4 people at the 50 yard line, and three of them are the coach's siblings.  But with clever camera work, you don't even know.

 

 

The crowd thing is going to be interesting.  The theory here is that the in-stadium crowds help viewership.  I wonder if nets pipe in crowd noise and try to use a little VR effect to "paste" fans into backgrounds.  

[Boatdrinks]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The crowd thing is going to be interesting.  The theory here is that the in-stadium crowds help viewership.  I wonder if nets pipe in crowd noise and try to use a little VR effect to "paste" fans into backgrounds.  

 

Fans will be more starved for live sports programming in September than they are already. The networks won’t need to resort to phony piped in noise or graphics to draw viewers. Play by play is fine and cameras won’t do the obligatory panning  around the stadium. 

[Augie]

5 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

There’s a lot of context lacking here... will quicker tests be mass distributed by then? Will there be safe approved meds to quell or alleviate symptoms? And will these factors help with healthcare facilities finally being caught up by then to the point where it’s much more manageable and not nearly the risk and issue that it is now? 
 

im not gonna vote on just a yes or no question. Too much missing. 

 

I voted maybe. How can you possibly predict what the situation will be when it’s time for football. Would I go today? %$&# no! I had a NASTY respiratory illness in January, but there is no way I’d just assume it was COVID-19 without testing. That could be a deadly assumption. 

 

I’ll wait and see where this goes before saying anything other than “maybe”. It’s the only prudent answer unless you’ve been tested and are deemed to be safe.  

[GottaRun]

I run a site and we post medical info, but we pay $5K a year for errors and omissions insurance.  If I ran this site I'd be blocking all medical advice, unless they have the insurance.

[Stank_Nasty]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I voted maybe. How can you possibly predict what the situation will be when it’s time for football. Would I go today? %$&# no! I had a NASTY respiratory illness in January, but there is no way I’d just assume it was COVID-19 without testing. That could be a deadly assumption. 

 

I’ll wait and see where this goes before saying anything other than “maybe”. It’s the only prudent answer unless you’ve been tested and are deemed to be safe.  

i agree. once the "maybe" option was available that's the one i voted for. i couldn't care less about myself getting this illness, but i also have to think about my loved ones. which includes my mom and dad. both seniors with slight health issues. i also own and operate a small town gym where i work with 20+ individuals personally(young athletes to senior citizens) as well as maintaining 300+ members which has plenty of at risk individuals. so even when things open back up my guard will be up. no need to risk any sort of easy exposure like that over a football game. 

Edited April 10, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[MJS]

If we get to the point where stadiums are open, I'm sure that means the threat has passed. If there is still significant risk, the stadiums will not open. Plain and simple. Games may still be played, but they won't allow 60,000+ fans attend.

[Big Turk]

If they came out with an antibody test specific to this coronavirus that showed I was immune or had already had it, then yes. Or if they came out with enough doses of the specific antibodies they are working on producing that would render the virus ineffective by binding to the sites it needs to infect us and we could simply get an injection once we got it then yes.  

Edited April 10, 2020 by matter2003

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

If we get to the point where stadiums are open, I'm sure that means the threat has passed. If there is still significant risk, the stadiums will not open. Plain and simple. Games may still be played, but they won't allow 60,000+ fans attend.

right. if ya think about it, there really isn't much point to this discussion. if there's a threat they aren't allowing those venues to open. It does seem pretty cut and dry at this point.

[par73]

I don't expect there to be any effective treatment or a vaccine in the time frame we are looking at, so my answer is "No." Pending something unforeseen, of course.

[MJS]

Just now, Captain Hindsight said:

Telling the guy who owns the board to go F himself. Bold move cotton

 

Enjoy your upcoming ban!

Haha, his original post is a work of art. Such a classic conspiracy theory tin foil hat post. It was a pleasure to read. I imagined him typing it from an underground bunker surrounded by AK-47's and homemade molotav cocktails.

[Boatdrinks]

5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

right. if ya think about it, there really isn't much point to this discussion. if there's a threat they aren't allowing those venues to open. It does seem pretty cut and dry at this point.

Maybe, maybe not.  I think it’s possible that a stadium could be open in one state but not in another. Would you attend.? The question was if there wasn’t a vaccine, which there almost certainly won’t. Right now, I could golf in West Virginia but cannot in NYS ( even though I golfed in NYS 4 days ago). so differences could exist. While the OP specifies a Bills game, it could be a Bills game in Arizona , so I think it is a valid and worthwhile discussion. Coronavirus and the threat of it won’t be gone by September, so the question is more aligned with going on with daily life and our willingness to do so. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Yep.  Fought the 'Rona and won, now I have the immunity.  It was an easy fight actually felt like the flu, I am going to attribute that to all the unknown shots the Army gave me for 20 years.  

 

I know I have given a ton of plasma already

Us military folk are probably immune to almost everything...sure had enough vaccines tested on us... Gah I feel terrible as I was responsible for giving so many immunizations.

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Maybe, maybe not.  I think it’s possible that a stadium could be open in one state but not in another. Would you attend.? The question was if there wasn’t a vaccine, which there almost certainly won’t. Right now, I could golf in West Virginia but cannot in NYS ( even though I golfed in NYS 4 days ago). so differences could exist. While the OP specifies a Bills game, it could be a Bills game in Arizona , so I think it is a valid and worthwhile discussion. Coronavirus and the threat of it won’t be gone by September, so the question is more aligned with going on with daily life and our willingness to do so. 

and so my thoughts on page 1 still apply. we need context. yes or no wasn't gonna do it. are there quicker tests available in masses? have the trials for meds through april and may panned out? if so, do those 2 factors change the game and catch medical facilities up to the point where they are out ahead of it and it becomes a minimal threat? who knows? once the option of "maybe" was made available that's how i voted.

[Captain Hindsight]

6 minutes ago, MJS said:

I've heard that antibodies do not last long for this disease. They have confirmed cases of reinfection.

Yikes. I haven't heard that but admittedly I'm not keeping up with every thing happening.

 

My sister works in a hospital as a radiation therapist and the stories she has told me from the ICU nurses are scary. I've been trying to be a tough guy about this and still going get groceries and what not, but the more I heard from her the more I'm reluctant to go anywhere in public. We are taking advantage of instacart now and I am tipping well. As far as concerned those folks are putting their lives on the line for me and the least I can do for not only them, but the doctors, nurses and police and fire people is to rock some sweatpants and stop the spread.

 

The sooner we all do that, the sooner we can get back to a normal world

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

and so my thoughts on page 1 still apply. we need context. yes or no wasn't gonna do it. are there quicker tests available in masses? have the trials for meds through april and may panned out? if so, do those 2 factors change the game and catch medical facilities up to the point where they are out ahead of it and it becomes a minimal threat? who knows? once the option of "maybe" was made available that's how i voted.

Fair enough, but the poll was actually more interesting and revealing as a yes/ no. 

[Chandler#81]

Everyone say Goodbye to BB963. He’s moved on to THE END zone.

’Bye Felicia!’?

[hondo in seattle]

42 minutes ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

This is for our illustrious moderators namely SDS. Censor all you want bro? Big thumbs up. But what you’re doing is allowing other people to pass health info they ‘know nothing about’ as well. Who tf are you to say I know nothing about these topics? A football forum moderator. Congrats. 

 

You targeted me specifically bc mainstream does not put out the messages I have. Yet mainstream opinions are allowed. Even ones that are not proven true and some that are actually proven to be FALSE by very well credentialed professionals.

 

So SDS go ***** yourself bro. Be a little keyboard nazi and ban me bc you can’t handle info that isn’t curated by people on tv lmao. By doing what you’re doing you’re depriving people of information that could actually be useful to them. Again good work bud, you should be proud ?

 

SDS does a great job with this site - a site we enjoy at no cost.  Many thanks to SDS for both hosting this site and keeping false - and dangerous - information off it.

 

People who don't take the necessary precautions are more likely to contract Covid 19 - and then pass it along to others.   

 

Btw, I don't get my Covid 19 information from tv - I never watch tv news and don't trust reporters to get science/medical information right.  I get my information from science websites. The folks I trust include some of the world's leading epidemiologists, including: Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx, Dr. Lipsitch, Prof. Delfraissy, Prof. Cobey, etc., etc.   They agree that Covid 19 is a real global threat to human health.  

Edited April 10, 2020 by hondo in seattle

[Hardhatharry]

Chances are I already had it so...

[BillsVet]

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

 

 

 

[Augie]

Just now, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

 

 

 

 

You do realize these are contracted in different ways? I did give up block party orgies, however, so there’s that. Seemed like the thing to do. 

[Big Turk]

41 minutes ago, MJS said:

I've heard that antibodies do not last long for this disease. They have confirmed cases of reinfection.

 

Ehh, those are likely either false positive or false negative tests. The issue right now is the most commonly used tests are highly inaccurate...up to 30%. There are more accurate tests that have come out since then but they are not in high usage yet.

[BillsVet]

19 minutes ago, Augie said:

You do realize these are contracted in different ways? I did give up block party orgies, however, so there’s that. Seemed like the thing to do. 

 

Yes. Except people in the late 70s/early 80s did not know what you and I do now. 

[Lurker]

34 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

Well, seeing that Bills fans have been getting up the *** for so many years, maybe we should have...

[DrDawkinstein]

37 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

 

You may be a broken record on a lot of things, but I dont believe you are this dumb.

36 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

You do realize these are contracted in different ways? I did give up block party orgies, however, so there’s that. Seemed like the thing to do. 

 

Didnt know you had lived in Woodstock, GA!

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

You may be a broken record on a lot of things, but I dont believe you are this dumb.

 

Didnt know you had lived in Woodstock, GA!

 

Hmmmm, I’ve been meaning to visit Woodstock! 

[Boatdrinks]

41 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

Did people stop going to sporting events when HIV/AIDS was first recognized?  There's still no vaccine for that and at the time, people didn't know how it was transmitted.

 

 

 

 

There is truth to this. Some here are probably too young to know or remember. Early on there was a lot of fear about how one could contract AIDS. Daily life went on before there were vaccines for many things. Ben Carson has stated that about 98% of people who get this Corona v will recover.  It’s an interesting question - would you attend a game?  It’s realistic because it will be most likely be allowed in some areas and not others. 

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, ChevyVanMiller said:

This survey suggests that a majority of fans would not attend a game before Covid-19 vaccines are made available to the public. Considering the fact that that seems highly unlikely before this upcoming NFL season, let’s take a poll of Bills fans. Are you in or out this season without a vaccine?

 

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/29018209/poll-fans-attend-games-vaccine

 

I would attend a game as long as the curve has been flattened enough that we are not going to overwhelm hospital.  I am not overly worried as I work Int healthcare and see this and much worse on a daily basis.  
 

The fact is the only reason to social distance is just to slow the infection rate and that is working - the problem was always going to be having to many sick at one time.  
 

Based on how the common cold hits every year (usually another Coronavirus type) - I do not think a vaccine is going to be as effective as people think - much like how the flu vaccine changes yearly - I think the vaccine will help reduce duration and severity of the illness, but will not be effective at preventing the disease.

[RiotAct]

yes I would