MMQB: Bills spent considerable time with top WRs including Jeudy and Lamb

[Putin]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why? There is a lot of WR depth but only 3 that everyone agrees are immediate #1 WRs in the NFL. That is the player we need. I mean we need another #2/#3 as well but getting the true #1 is the priority. The way this draft class looks we could trade up for a #1 and still get a depth WR in rounds 4-7. In fact I hope that's exactly what we do.

So the question is how high are you willing to move ? 

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Putin said:

So the question is how high are you willing to move ? 

 

Personally I'd be willing to give up next year's 1st for Lamb or Ruggs, or this year's 2nd for Jeudy. That's just my preference based on the very limited research I've done on each. Others who have scouted them extensively will have more knowledgeable opinions.

[auburnbillsbacker]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

If Beane trades up for a WR, in this class, I'll lose a lot of faith in his judgement.

A lot of the so called quality WRs will not make it.  If they believe strongly that one will be great why not trade up to acquire a great player at a position of need.  If they can stay put and get a WR of equal value to the ones take earlier then great.  Many believe that the top 3 are much better than the 2nd tier.

[Mark Vader]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Interesting considering they weren’t listed as formal or informal meetings 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2020/2/25/21153266/2020-nfl-combine-buffalo-bills-meeting-tracker-nfl-draft

 

2 hours ago, Magox said:

 

That's a whole lot of WR's they've talked to....Hard to extrapolate what they are going to do aside from choose a WR somewhere in the draft but if I had to take a guess there may be a decent chance they will select a couple.   

I've said it before, but it's worth repeating.

 

Let's see who they meet with when they have the private workouts. Those will be key.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

So the question is how high are you willing to move ? 

1st for Kupp... more like a 2nd and a 5th or 4th

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

If Beane trades up for a WR, in this class, I'll lose a lot of faith in his judgement.

I think his judgement has been just fine on movement in draft.

 

If they move up to get a stud WR that immediately becomes the #1 for 4-5 years, is that worth a move up? 
 

this team is in a very different place than when Sammy happened. 

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I think his judgement has been just fine on movement in draft.

 

If they move up to get a stud WR that immediately becomes the #1 for 4-5 years, is that worth a move up? 
 

this team is in a very different place than when Sammy happened. 

 

The Sammy phallacy  

[Putin]

16 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

1st for Kupp... more like a 2nd and a 5th or 4th

So who is the BEST WR in this draft ?? 

Or is this like the  year when we drafted J Allen when there were 4 QB ‘s and we had no idea which one would go 1st , 2nd, or even 3rd & 4th 

[YoloinOhio]

13 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I think his judgement has been just fine on movement in draft.

 

If they move up to get a stud WR that immediately becomes the #1 for 4-5 years, is that worth a move up? 
 

this team is in a very different place than when Sammy happened. 

 

I agree and also... Sammy was really good. People forget this. He did get traded and dealt with the foot thing, and the draft trade wasn’t wise in hindsight. We had no one else at WR and he had to step in and be WR1 right away.  But not like he wasn’t really good when he played. Our WR room is different now. 

Edited March 2, 2020 by YoloinOhio

[wppete]

Please let this be true, can’t trust anything you read leading up to the draft. But I believe in Beane and please god let’s us end up with CeeDee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy! 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think he’s a faster Jarvis Landry. I would consider him in the 2nd. I don’t completely trust his hands. I feel that is going to be a huge factor in their pick unless they take more than one WR.

He had one of the worst QB’s throwing to him. He was wide open on so many plays, the pass was off its mark or the QB didn’t even see him. He made so many circus catches this year, I really don’t think his hands will be a issue. The only issue he has is route running but that is the one trait that is easily coached up. Jalen Reagor could easily be one of the best WR’s from this draft

[T master]

4 hours ago, Putin said:

I believe both will be gone before our pick at 22

 

Pull a Ditka & go get one ! Were moving on up - to the top - to get a deluxe player in the draft !! 

[BillsFan17]

27 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I think his judgement has been just fine on movement in draft.

 

If they move up to get a stud WR that immediately becomes the #1 for 4-5 years, is that worth a move up? 
 

this team is in a very different place than when Sammy happened. 

 

This has nothing to do with Sammy Watkins and everything to do with the depth of the position in the class.

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think he’s a faster Jarvis Landry. I would consider him in the 2nd. I don’t completely trust his hands. I feel that is going to be a huge factor in their pick unless they take more than one WR.

Its tough, because, while Reagor had among the lowest, if not the lowest catchable pass rate of any WR in this class, I think he was also credited with nine or so drops. So, while Reagor does have some electric talent, the hands are something worth noting.

[BillsFan17]

1 hour ago, auburnbillsbacker said:

A lot of the so called quality WRs will not make it.  If they believe strongly that one will be great why not trade up to acquire a great player at a position of need.  If they can stay put and get a WR of equal value to the ones take earlier then great.  Many believe that the top 3 are much better than the 2nd tier.

Every year we go thru this at the WR position, and almost every draft the second round and beyond out produce the the first round.

 

There is no doubting the top three have elite attributes, but you absolutely do not look at this class and assume that there is no way you arent going to find top tier talent littered up and down.

 

There is a reason this is being talked about as a historic class.

[mushypeaches]

good god, can we please not trade big draft capital for another WR

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Personally I'd be willing to give up next year's 1st for Lamb or Ruggs, or this year's 2nd for Jeudy. That's just my preference based on the very limited research I've done on each. Others who have scouted them extensively will have more knowledgeable opinions.

 

One year has passed since Buffalo considered trading for Antonio Brown, who was and probably still is anything but a "process" guy.  That attempt revealed that they see a distinct need and while John Brown is a nice supporting type, they can't just feature complementary WRs. 

 

McBeane are all-in on Josh Allen and not surrounding him with better receivers is doing a disservice to their highest draft pick in 3 off-seasons.  I would not be surprised to see them go out of the box in either UFA or the draft in a big swing to get a top receiver. 

 

If they don't, the offense and their starting QB won't either make the leap they need. 

[BillsFan17]

3 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why? There is a lot of WR depth but only 3 that everyone agrees are immediate #1 WRs in the NFL. That is the player we need. I mean we need another #2/#3 as well but getting the true #1 is the priority. The way this draft class looks we could trade up for a #1 and still get a depth WR in rounds 4-7. In fact I hope that's exactly what we do.

It's a mismanagement of assets. The depth of the class allows you to wait. 

 

Look at last year as an example 

Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, etc...

 

To assume if you dont get one of the top three that you automatically can't find a good player is asinine. 

[CSBill]

3 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

Yolo, please tell me it was called back for the crackback block.

 

If it was Cody Ford, there would have been an ejection and a hefty fine. ?

[Troll Toll]

As much as I’ve complained about the receiving options for Josh, I would hate a 1st round trade up. Jeudy looks like a knee injury waiting to happen. Seems like WR has also been a less valued position group as of late. 

[Uncle Joe]

1 minute ago, CSBill said:

 

If it was Cody Ford, there would have been an ejection and a hefty fine. ?

Yeah. I was having flashbacks ?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

This has nothing to do with Sammy Watkins and everything to do with the depth of the position in the class.

but that was one of the exact knocks right?
 

Trading up for Watkins was grilled because they Gave up collateral to move up in a draft with tons of WR depth. 
 

Evans, OBJ, Devante Adams, Landry, Allen Robinson, Cooks were all drafted after Sammy. 

On top of that it just kept getting worse in retrospect. 
 

but that team was trying to sell that it was just one wr away and needed a bold move, Ralph had just passed. franchise was in disarray  

 

[Mickey]

5 hours ago, Putin said:

I believe both will be gone before our pick at 22

 

You just gotta kill my dreams don't ya?

4 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Pretty much a certainty.  So, the fact that they invested time to talk to them suggests the notion of a trade up is at least on the table.  I don't personally think that's going to happen, but the Bills seem to have not ruled it out.  I suppose it could be a smoke screen, but I don't think the Bills have done a lot of that since Buddy Nix was telling anybody who listened that Cordy Glenn was a guard.

 

Due diligence is all it is. They would look pretty stupid if they didn't look at these guys closely if somehow one of them dropped within striking distance, say 16 or 17-ish and they had to improvise at the last minute because they hadn't done their homework. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Look at last year as an example 

Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, etc...

 

To assume if you dont get one of the top three that you automatically can't find a good player is asinine. 

 

Out of those 3 only AJ Brown has shown the potential to be a true #1 IMO. And he wouldn't be available at our pick in the 2nd this year. If we want as close to a sure #1 WR as we can get we'll have to trade up. I suppose if we trade down and take a player like Mims or Claypool I could get behind it, and maybe we'll hit on that lottery pick. I would just rather be sure.

[Sherlock Holmes]

1 hour ago, Putin said:

So who is the BEST WR in this draft ?? 

Or is this like the  year when we drafted J Allen when there were 4 QB ‘s and we had no idea which one would go 1st , 2nd, or even 3rd & 4th 

That's the scenario I think plays out... that's why you go after a proven commodity.

 

Is Jeudy the best because a few months ago eveybody acted like it...  or is he not even the best receiver on his team (Ruggs III)?

Is it Lamb? 

Is it Shinault?

Is it somebody else?

 

[Motorin']

18 minutes ago, Mickey said:

 

You just gotta kill my dreams don't ya?

 

Due diligence is all it is. They would look pretty stupid if they didn't look at these guys closely if somehow one of them dropped within striking distance, say 16 or 17-ish and they had to improvise at the last minute because they hadn't done their homework. 

 

I also think they want to spend time with the #1 & #2 wr in the draft to compare to the guys they have at #3, #4 & #5. Is there really that much of a gap between these two and say Justin Jefferson? 

Edited March 2, 2020 by Motorin'

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

He had one of the worst QB’s throwing to him. He was wide open on so many plays, the pass was off its mark or the QB didn’t even see him. He made so many circus catches this year, I really don’t think his hands will be a issue. The only issue he has is route running but that is the one trait that is easily coached up. Jalen Reagor could easily be one of the best WR’s from this draft

 

I like Reagor. I keep flipping him and Aiyuk as my #5 WR. But the drops are a legit concern. Is it hands? Is it concentration? Not sure. But even allowing for the QB issues he drops too many balls. 

9 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

That's the scenario I think plays out... that's why you go after a proven commodity.

 

Is Jeudy the best because a few months ago eveybody acted like it...  or is he not even the best receiver on his team (Ruggs III)?

Is it Lamb? 

Is it Shinault?

Is it somebody else?

 

 

It is definitely not Shenault. 

 

It is Jeudy #1; Lamb #2; Ruggs #3 for me. But I would be delighted with any of those guys. 

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

It's a mismanagement of assets. The depth of the class allows you to wait. 

 

Look at last year as an example 

Deebo Samuel, AJ Brown, DK Metcalf, etc...

 

To assume if you dont get one of the top three that you automatically can't find a good player is asinine. 

 

Last year was a very different WR class. Last year was like this year's class but without the 3 elite level prospects. If the Bills don't move up for one of the top 3 THEN it is like last year where they shouldn't force a WR pick at #22 because the difference between the guy they get there and the guy they can maybe still get in the 2nd is not that great. But the difference between the top 3 and the rest this year? That is very real. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Reagor. I keep flipping him and Aiyuk as my #5 WR. But the drops are a legit concern. Is it hands? Is it concentration? Not sure. But even allowing for the QB issues he drops too many balls. 

 

It is definitely not Shenault. 

 

It is Jeudy #1; Lamb #2; Ruggs #3 for me. But I would be delighted with any of those guys. 

I have them in the same order... question is Kupp or Jeudy? Kupp or either Lamb or Ruggs III? Do you see these guys as being better than what Kupp brings?

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

I also think they want to spend time with the #1 & #2 wr in the draft to compare to the guys they have at #3, #4 & #5. Is there really that much of a gap between these two and say Justin Jefferson? 

 

Yes. Next question. 

Just now, Sherlock Holmes said:

I have them in the same order... question is Kupp or Jeudy? Kupp or either Lamb or Ruggs III? Do you see these guys as being better than what Kupp brings?

 

Yes. Without question. 

[ExWNYer]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Reagor. I keep flipping him and Aiyuk as my #5 WR. But the drops are a legit concern. Is it hands? Is it concentration? Not sure. But even allowing for the QB issues he drops too many balls. 

 

It is definitely not Shenault. 

 

It is Jeudy #1; Lamb #2; Ruggs #3 for me. But I would be delighted with any of those guys. 

 

Last year was a very different WR class. Last year was like this year's class but without the 3 elite level prospects. If the Bills don't move up for one of the top 3 THEN it is like last year where they shouldn't force a WR pick at #22 because the difference between the guy they get there and the guy they can maybe still get in the 2nd is not that great. But the difference between the top 3 and the rest this year? That is very real. 

 

This is my feeling 100%. If it's not one of those three WRs, I'd prefer that they wait until the 2nd or even 3rd. Barring a blockbuster trade up, there is next to no chance that they'll get a shot at either Jeudy or Lamb. Ruggs is the most realistic of the three, IMO, and that might even take a slight move up as the Eagles sit just ahead of the Bills at 21. If they can get one of the few top Edge prospects in Round 1, that would be my preference. Free agency will flesh out a lot of the scenarios but it is shaping up to be a very intriguing off season.

[mathja]

A lot of people bring up the Sammy Watkins trade as evidence of a trade up being a disaster.

 

I do seem to remember that one of the biggest criticisms of that deal was that the bills traded major Draft capital for a receiver when they didn’t even have a franchise quarterback. Timing was way off, many said. Obviously Sammy wasn’t as good as we had hoped, but he had his moments and who knows how much he suffered by having a below average quarterback.

 

So, if you believe in Josh Allen, Isn’t the timing different this time around? Would it be more acceptable to give up an extra pic to move up if you think one of those top two or three guys is a perennial pro bowler that could really help Josh Allen become a top-flight quarterback?

[BillsFan17]

44 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Reagor. I keep flipping him and Aiyuk as my #5 WR. But the drops are a legit concern. Is it hands? Is it concentration? Not sure. But even allowing for the QB issues he drops too many balls. 

 

It is definitely not Shenault. 

 

It is Jeudy #1; Lamb #2; Ruggs #3 for me. But I would be delighted with any of those guys. 

 

Last year was a very different WR class. Last year was like this year's class but without the 3 elite level prospects. If the Bills don't move up for one of the top 3 THEN it is like last year where they shouldn't force a WR pick at #22 because the difference between the guy they get there and the guy they can maybe still get in the 2nd is not that great. But the difference between the top 3 and the rest this year? That is very real. 

Again, we hear this all the time. And yet, we still see guys going later that pan out better. I love the top three, and if one of them slide, awesome. If not, by all means wait and you can absolutely expect guys later in the class to have an impact.

 

Just because those guy are that good, doesn't take away from the immense talent this class has to offer. Moreover, to just blindly assume it's not at all possible for any of those guys to flop/bust is also extremely irrational. The most high profile of specs have flopped in the past.

 

Again, I would love to get my hands on one of them, but not at the cost of giving up assets to go get one. Not a chance with the depth of the class.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, mathja said:

A lot of people bring up the Sammy Watkins trade as evidence of a trade up being a disaster.

 

I do seem to remember that one of the biggest criticisms of that deal was that the bills traded major Draft capital for a receiver when they didn’t even have a franchise quarterback. Timing was way off, many said. Obviously Sammy wasn’t as good as we had hoped, but he had his moments and who knows how much he suffered by having a below average quarterback.

 

So, if you believe in Josh Allen, Isn’t the timing different this time around? Would it be more acceptable to give up an extra pic to move up if you think one of those top two or three guys is a perennial pro bowler that could really help Josh Allen become a top-flight quarterback?

Yes. Sammy Watkins was worthy of the 4th overall pick imo. The Bills gave up too much to get him given their circumstances. Both can be true. Jmo 

[BillsFan17]

58 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Out of those 3 only AJ Brown has shown the potential to be a true #1 IMO. And he wouldn't be available at our pick in the 2nd this year. If we want as close to a sure #1 WR as we can get we'll have to trade up. I suppose if we trade down and take a player like Mims or Claypool I could get behind it, and maybe we'll hit on that lottery pick. I would just rather be sure.

So you wouldnt take Deebo or DK on this team right now? What? Acting like those guys weren't very productive and played extremely well is just shortsighted to fit your narrative. You could also add McLaurin to that conversation along with Slayton.

 

2017- Corey Davis, John Ross, Mike Williams  or Ju-Ju in the second or Kupp in the third?

 

2016- Corey Coleman, Fuller, Doctson, Treadwell or Michael Thomas/Tyler Boyd in the second 

 

There are plenty of drafts where the higher touted specs didnt work out as well as guys taken after them.

 

Assuming because a guy is rated higher will always pan out, or let alone be that much superior when the field is so stacked...

 

 

[JinxedBill]

Smokescreen!

[Playoffs?]

5 hours ago, Uncle Joe said:

Yolo, please tell me it was called back for the crackback block.

Ha!  Sad that this was my first thought too!

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Again, we hear this all the time. And yet, we still see guys going later that pan out better. I love the top three, and if one of them slide, awesome. If not, by all means wait and you can absolutely expect guys later in the class to have an impact.

 

Just because those guy are that good, doesn't take away from the immense talent this class has to offer. Moreover, to just blindly assume it's not at all possible for any of those guys to flop/bust is also extremely irrational. The most high profile of specs have flopped in the past.

 

Again, I would love to get my hands on one of them, but not at the cost of giving up assets to go get one. Not a chance with the depth of the class.

 

Of course anyone can bust. But the chances of one of those top 3 busting is significantly less than the chance of one of the next clump of 7 or 8 2nd round types busting. That is kind of the point. You would be paying with assets to reduce the bust risk. 

[Playoffs?]

I don’t care what we have to do... I just want our WR corps to be so solid that Smoke is our clear #2.   Would be very similar to the Moulds/Price combo.. and damn fun to watch!

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I like Reagor. I keep flipping him and Aiyuk as my #5 WR. But the drops are a legit concern. Is it hands? Is it concentration? Not sure. But even allowing for the QB issues he drops too many balls. 

Concentration for the most part. There are times where he has the ball knocked out by stronger and/ longer DBs. Generally though his drops are concentration lapses. I think he got frustrated at times and lost his focus somewhat. If you watch full game tapes you can see him visibly frustrated with the QB play. Then you see him a few plays later try to turn upfield early or something else. 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, Buffalo Junction said:

Concentration for the most part. There are times where he has the ball knocked out by stronger and/ longer DBs. Generally though his drops are concentration lapses. I think he got frustrated at times and lost his focus somewhat. If you watch full game tapes you can see him visibly frustrated with the QB play. Then you see him a few plays later try to turn upfield early or something else. 

 

I have watched the full game tape. I am not as forgiving as you are. I think it is a legit concern and I am not willing to wave it away and say "ah he was fed up with bad Quarterbacking." 

 

Catch the damn ball.

[Mr. WEO]

Why are they bothering with those 2?

 

After all:  “I’m not one that subscribes to a ‘number one receiver’,” Beane told reporters during the NFL Combine.