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19 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

What great organization is going to pony up 32 million to get a few games out of Green for 2 years?

 

Pass.  

 

A team that is comfortable with his ankle being healed and doesn't want to make a long term commitment.  

 

At some point we have to commit to acquiring top end WR talent.  Teams over pay for WR's all the time because they're so difficult to get.  Green will have a large market for his services (if he's not franchised) and it's not going to be for under $10 mil a year.  

 

 

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1 minute ago, White Linen said:

 

A team that is comfortable with his ankle being healed and doesn't want to make a long term commitment.  

 

At some point we have to commit to acquiring top end WR talent.  Teams over pay for WR's all the time because they're so difficult to get.  Green will have a large market for his services (if he's not franchised) and it's not going to be for under $10 mil a year.  

 

 

 

I'm not saying desperate teams don't make desperate moves.  Those aren't great organizations, typically.  Great ones won't have to wonder if an AJ Green's ankles is healed.

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2 hours ago, DCOrange said:

They might not view themselves as rebuilding. They went 0-8 in one score games last year and Burrow is capable of stepping in and being good from Day 1.

 

And obviously they want to put Burrow in a situation to succeed, so having AJ Green helps in that regard (assuming he stays healthy which obviously isn't a given).

 

This is a good point too. They have solid skill position players and could theoretically turn it around with Burrow. They are going to need some better OL play though.

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1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

Phillips would likely sign the tag immediately. AJ will not.

I'm fine with that. Bring him back on a one year deal. Overpaying for one year with $80M to spend is fine.  Bringing back Phillips won't prevent Bills from signing a WR or a DE in free agency.  Just don;t make the mistake of a long term commitment to Phillips and they will be fine.  

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5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm not saying desperate teams don't make desperate moves.  Those aren't great organizations, typically.  Great ones won't have to wonder if an AJ Green's ankles is healed.

 

AJ Green is far from a desperation acquisition.  Great one's will or have investigated if his ankle is healed.  

 

Players like him don't come available often and if he hits free agency, he'll have several strong organizations going after him.  

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13 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

A team that is comfortable with his ankle being healed and doesn't want to make a long term commitment.  

 

At some point we have to commit to acquiring top end WR talent.  Teams over pay for WR's all the time because they're so difficult to get.  Green will have a large market for his services (if he's not franchised) and it's not going to be for under $10 mil a year.  

 

 

At his age now and his injuries I wouldn’t pay him anymore than 10-15 mil tops. He’s not worth more than that now at his age

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6 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

I need more nuggets on this. We had a trade for him and Brown nixed it?

 

There have been multiple hints that the trade was oh so close.

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31 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

AJ Green is far from a desperation acquisition.  Great one's will or have investigated if his ankle is healed.  

 

Players like him don't come available often and if he hits free agency, he'll have several strong organizations going after him.  


Great teams will suspect perhaps he could have played last season.  
 

They will wonder about his motivation after getting 32 million for 2 years.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:


Great teams will suspect perhaps he could have played last season.  
 

They will wonder about his motivation after getting 32 million for 2 years.

 

 

 

Obviously we differ - which is perfectly fine.  I just don't think teams think that way about Green.  I can definitely see a team like the Steelers, Seahawks, Patriots, Colts and Chiefs (if they let Sammy go) being interested with little concern about his motivation if he makes good money.  

 

We should be in on a player like Green if he becomes available and I suspect we will.  

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5 hours ago, JR in Pittsburgh said:


What makes you think that? I always viewed Green as a stand-up guy and good teammate.  Never really heard him complain about being in Cincy too, though maybe I am wrong.


He was supposed to get activated multiple times this past season and a few of the times it came from AJ, not the doctors that he wasn’t ready. 
 

In my opinion, it all came off very similar to the Trent Williams “injury” but Green wasn’t as vocal.  However, there were a lot of leaks out of his camp that seemed to validate what I posted.  
 

But yes, I could be wrong 

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23 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Bengals know he has trade value and don’t want to let him walk for nothing.  Swap pick 22 for 33 get it done?  Beane has to get Josh some more weapons on offense.  Green let’s Beane go BPA and not chase a WR in round 1.  

Beane won't chase a WR in round 1 if the value isn't there.  If anything, he could piss off everyone and not take one until Rd. 3 or 4.

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7 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Uh, most teams in the NFL don’t let all their quality recievers walk out the door when they bring in a young QB who needs to learn. You must have LOVED the Jordan Matthews Andre Holmes era for Josh. 

See above.

Big difference here man.  They have boys and eifert.  They already have weapons and could draft another stud in round 2.   

4 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

Obviously we differ - which is perfectly fine.  I just don't think teams think that way about Green.  I can definitely see a team like the Steelers, Seahawks, Patriots, Colts and Chiefs (if they let Sammy go) being interested with little concern about his motivation if he makes good money.  

 

We should be in on a player like Green if he becomes available and I suspect we will.  

Brady to green reminds me of brady to moss.  (If brady stays he will end up there) Everyone thought moss's best days were behind him too...then came 47 tds in 3 years including 23 in one.  Dont sleep on aj

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6 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

Big difference here man.  They have boys and eifert.  They already have weapons and could draft another stud in round 2.   

Brady to green reminds me of brady to moss.  (If brady stays he will end up there) Everyone thought moss's best days were behind him too...then came 47 tds in 3 years including 23 in one.  Dont sleep on aj

Ah yes, Eifert the reliable weapon. 37 starts in 7 years. Certainly will be a dependable target for Burrow over 16 games next year. Lol

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This is probably the right move for the Bengals. Sure he’s older and injury prone, and the tag # is high, but it’s really more about investing in the future because it will help Burrow out of the gate. And green is a good teammate and locker room guy. 

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We've had 11 guys eclipse 1,000 yds receiving in the last 20 years and we wouldn't be interested in Green.  That's just hilarious to me.  

 

We're so good we don't need someone who's done it 6 of his 9 years.  Nah we're good on offense, we'll just find someone better, hahahahaha. 

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10 minutes ago, White Linen said:

We've had 11 guys eclipse 1,000 yds receiving in the last 20 years and we wouldn't be interested in Green.  That's just hilarious to me.  

 

We're so good we don't need someone who's done it 6 of his 9 years.  Nah we're good on offense, we'll just find someone better, hahahahaha. 

We’re just gonna draft one of those blue chip WR’s in the 5th round man.

 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

This is probably the right move for the Bengals. Sure he’s older and injury prone, and the tag # is high, but it’s really more about investing in the future because it will help Burrow out of the gate. And green is a good teammate and locker room guy. 

Exactly. You don’t have to tank and gut a roster because you’re drafting a QB. Giving him some reliable targets and consistency is worth more than 1 year of cap space. 

 

On the other hand, if you wanna watch your rookie QB run around in circles and get sacked 50 times, trade everybody and get him a Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamin. 

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10 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

Could be they are trying to trade him still now that he's tagged.  But still leaves Green with Leverage as he can refuse to go to a team that wants him, though likely any team that goes after him would be a playoff caliper team so good change he'd be OK with it.  He can also sign the tag and kind of handcuff the Bengels as then he has $18mil committed to him.  Or they could wait until May or so and rescind the tag which would tend to hang out Green to dry as by then teams don't have as much money left to afford him.

 

Hard to believe the tag is up to 18m for receivers.

 

Just a few years ago Whaley dumped Robert Woods because he wanted 7m.   He got it elsewhere and knocked out over 3,000 yards in three seasons. 

 

In case you forgot he was the guy that went 13 for 172 yds in week 13 and killed my fantasy hopes.  im almost over that though.....

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11 hours ago, BringBackOrton said:

Uh, most teams in the NFL don’t let all their quality recievers walk out the door when they bring in a young QB who needs to learn. You must have LOVED the Jordan Matthews Andre Holmes era for Josh. 

See above.

Jordan Matthews was not on the team at the same time as Josh.

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Besides, why not trade for Diggs who has a $14.4 mil. Contract for the next four years, he’s younger, healthier, very good, and the Vikings with some of his comments last year might be willing to entertain a trade.  They have the third least cap space at around $5 mil. and probably want some cheap labor.  We have 5 draft picks in the fifth and sixth round to use in some part as barter.

 

My vote is Diggs over Green fwiw.

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9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Need Beane to get creative and find a #1 via trade....


I think they probably figured this was coming. I’m sure they’ve learned that Mike Brown won’t let a good player leave even if it’s best for him.

 

So I am pretty confident that they know their plan for the WR position.

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I've not been a fan of the "Bring AJ Green to the Bills" banner since it started earlier last season. I know he's gifted and in his prime he was great, but as it's been rehearsed ad nauseum here on the board, injuries and age just don't make it palatable in my mind. Cooper doesn't want to be in Buffalo and some of the other scheduled FAs look decent, but not "great". I think the Bills sign a couple mid-to-low level FAs (unless they trade for one) and Draft their most pressing skilled position of need in the 1st or 2nd round. I'm not a fan of 1st Round WRs, but this might be the year - IF Beane does everything else in FA. 

 

Here's Spotrac's list of WR FAs:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/wide-receiver/

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12 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Bengals know he has trade value and don’t want to let him walk for nothing.  Swap pick 22 for 33 get it done?  Beane has to get Josh some more weapons on offense.  Green let’s Beane go BPA and not chase a WR in round 1.  

 

So...you want to trade away a 1st round pick for an $18.75M 1 yr rental of a 32 year old WR who played 9 games in 2018, 0 in 2019?  Basically played 1 full season in the last 4 years?

 

I don't see Beane going for that.  If nothing else, it's a "we're 1 player away, this is Our Year" type move.

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Yes, I’d trade what would be a 3rd round equivalent for green.  And I might still end up getting a similar player at pick 33 as pick 22.  I just don’t think you can rely on a rookie to improve the offense next year.  And I don’t see a repeat trip to the playoffs without improving the offense.  

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11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So...you want to trade away a 1st round pick for an $18.75M 1 yr rental of a 32 year old WR who played 9 games in 2018, 0 in 2019?  Basically played 1 full season in the last 4 years?

 

I don't see Beane going for that.  If nothing else, it's a "we're 1 player away, this is Our Year" type move.

 

How about for Diggs?

 

would you trade 22 for Diggs?

 

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6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

How about for Diggs?

would you trade 22 for Diggs?

 

Oooh.  How about 22 and something back - 2nd or 3rd round?

 

Diggs has played 15 games and gained over 1000 yds the last 2 seasons.  He's 26 and locked up under contract for the next 4 years.  He's a stud.

The snag is that he's made it clear that he wants more money.

Essentially we could be trading a 1st for a guy who wants Tyreek Hill or OBJ $$, which seems steep.

I'd trade a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat.  1st round, I think I want something back in those circs.

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1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Oooh.  How about 22 and something back - 2nd or 3rd round?

 

Diggs has played 15 games and gained over 1000 yds the last 2 seasons.  He's 26 and locked up under contract for the next 4 years.  He's a stud.

The snag is that he's made it clear that he wants more money.

Essentially we could be trading a 1st for a guy who wants Tyreek Hill or OBJ $$, which seems steep.

I'd trade a 2nd round pick in a heartbeat.  1st round, I think I want something back in those circs.

 

I'd do it in a heartbeat. He's a known commodity, and I don't like the Bills options at 22.

 

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Heard talk that the Bills might be interested at bringing him in but at the price he's asking i'm not sure the risk would be worth the reward Beane would have to work some real magic into that contract in order for it to be a possibility & i'm thinking AJ wants to make 1 more big haul before he calls it

quits !! 

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On 3/1/2020 at 1:44 PM, Logic said:

I just don't get it for the Bengals.

This guy was a good soldier for the Bengals for years. He's 31 years old and the team is clearly in rebuilding mode. Why not reward him by freeing him to pursue a team that is in the hunt for a championship? 

Not only that, but once the "rebuilding" writing was on the wall, they could have traded him and actually reaped some value. Going into next season, instead of a 31 year old AJ Green, they could have, say a 2nd round pick in a stacked WR draft.

I just don't get it. Can't imagine Green's happy about it, either.

 

They still can. They can tag and do not need to accept a 1st round pick to trade him.  This is negotiable.

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On 3/1/2020 at 3:16 PM, John from Riverside said:

Well I’m not giving a 1st round pick for him so

 

No certainly not a 1st.

On 3/1/2020 at 3:14 PM, billsbackto81 said:

I can see Green sitting out if he's tagged. It's basically a one year "prove you're healthy" deal for a guy who has nothing to prove as a 7x PB'er. Plus, he'll be one year older which hurts his chances when he's a FA in landing a beneficial final contract. Beane should offer a 3rd, maybe a 2nd if he passes a physical convincingly.

 

A 2nd is doable IF it is a clean bill of health and he can demonstrate he is in football shape.  I think Bengals want him out of AFC North preferably in NFC.

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