folz Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) I know the draft value chart is just a guide, and by no means definitive, but according to the chart, Miami does have enough with just their 1st round picks this year if the Bengals were willing to trade. I guess it would depend on how much Cinci likes the other two QBs. If you don't feel it is that big of a drop off, make the trade. If you think Burrow is the guy, no trade. But if I'm Cinci and I'm going to make the trade, I'm going to want them to overpay. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Cinncinnati: 1st overall pick = 3,000 3rd round (65th) = 265 = 3,265 Miami: 5th overall = 1,700 18th overall = 900 26th overall = 700 = 3,300 OR Cinci 1st overall = 3,000 Miami 5th overall = 1,700 18th overall = 900 2nd round (39th) = 500 3,100 Edited February 8, 2020 by folz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Yeah, they have those picks because they got rid of pro bowl level talent at LT and safety. Need to replenish. I don’t know if any of these QBs are worth 3 1sts but who knows. On the other hand - maybe they are positioning themselves for Chase Young and will take the QB next year. I wouldn’t want Chase Young there as a Bills fan. That’s exactly why they would move to two. All due respect to Burrow, but Young is the best player in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: That’s exactly why they would move to two. All due respect to Burrow, but Young is the best player in the draft. I agree. I'd be shocked if he doesn't turn out to be legit in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Brady wants to mentor him? If I'm Cincinnati I don't make the deal for anything less than 3 2020 1sts regardless of value charts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yep. There’s no mistaking it’s that time of year when, as Buddy always said, “Everybody’s tryin’ to rob the same train.” I think the Redskins would be just as stupid for passing on a chance at Young as the Bengals would be for giving up Burrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, K-9 said: Yep. There’s no mistaking it’s that time of year when, as Buddy always said, “Everybody’s tryin’ to rob the same train.” I think the Redskins would be just as stupid for passing on a chance at Young as the Bengals would be for giving up Burrow. I can’t see Rivera passing on Young. I could also see Flores wanting him and waiting on a QB until next year, or even trading for a guy like Dalton or Cam. But the price tag for 2 could be almost as high as for 1. Edited February 8, 2020 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 19 hours ago, SCBills said: Bengals fans would riot. I wouldn’t be happy about having Burrow in the division either. 29 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Brady wants to mentor him? If I'm Cincinnati I don't make the deal for anything less than 3 2020 1sts regardless of value charts Even then, I would only make the trade if I wasn’t sure about Burrow. If you think he is a franchise guy that is invaluable. 1 hour ago, folz said: I know the draft value chart is just a guide, and by no means definitive, but according to the chart, Miami does have enough with just their 1st round picks this year if the Bengals were willing to trade. I guess it would depend on how much Cinci likes the other two QBs. If you don't feel it is that big of a drop off, make the trade. If you think Burrow is the guy, no trade. But if I'm Cinci and I'm going to make the trade, I'm going to want them to overpay. https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Cinncinnati: 1st overall pick = 3,000 3rd round (65th) = 265 = 3,265 Miami: 5th overall = 1,700 18th overall = 900 26th overall = 700 = 3,300 OR Cinci 1st overall = 3,000 Miami 5th overall = 1,700 18th overall = 900 2nd round (39th) = 500 3,100 That would be more for a non QB prospect. They are going to have to overpay if they want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 hours ago, machine gun kelly said: Haslem is an idiot. Actually, I made a mistake. I meant to say the Bengals. Haslem has proven he's a terrible owner though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 hours ago, K-9 said: That’s exactly why they would move to two. All due respect to Burrow, but Young is the best player in the draft. If they move to #2, it's for a QB. Bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 minutes ago, billykay said: If they move to #2, it's for a QB. Bank on it. Perhaps. If SD is really sold on one of the other QBs more than the other, like Tua for instance, they will have to move ahead of Miami and I’m sure Miami is aware of that. But make no mistake, Young is the best player in the draft and he plays the second most important position in the game to boot. Flores, being the D minded coach that he is, most certainly appreciates that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, billykay said: If they move to #2, it's for a QB. Bank on it. Just thinking of Washington's needs. If I were them when dealing with Miami, I would demand Miami move up to #3 before I negotiate. That would then ensure that Washington gets Chase plus whatever draft picks they can steal from Miami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, billykay said: Just thinking of Washington's needs. If I were them when dealing with Miami, I would demand Miami move up to #3 before I negotiate. That would then ensure that Washington gets Chase plus whatever draft picks they can steal from Miami. Again, that’s assuming Miami is targeting a QB at two. If Miami rates the next two QBs after Burrow evenly, they can just stay at five and get one and not have to spend any of their assets to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustWinPlease Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 22 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: There’s no way it happens. No chance in hell. Burrow is from OH and the perfect player they need. Miami could have 10 first round picks, they won’t trade. Agreed. There's zero chance the Bengals trade that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 22 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Nope no way he ends up in Cinci with a quote like that ! idiot lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Trading away the winning ticket to a guy that just had one of the best college QB seasons EVER when your team needs a new QB sounds absolutely insane to me but i put nothing past Mike Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 21 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Ha! Like Mike Brown will want to pay 3, read it 3, first round picks and then spend more money on Lawrence if they defer until next year? I have a bridge to sell you ...Mike has these in his office in case anybody has frivolous ideas......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 21 hours ago, K-9 said: Isn’t Cincy basically Kentucky as well? Just a decent 3 wood away after all. Cinci overlooks the fine Stat of Pennsyltucky. I think you need to put some hook on the ball to land in the Bluegrass though : ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, K-9 said: Again, that’s assuming Miami is targeting a QB at two. If Miami rates the next two QBs after Burrow evenly, they can just stay at five and get one and not have to spend any of their assets to do so. You're right that they can just stay at 5 & get their QB, but only if another team doesn't jump them. And you are right - I am assuming that Miami is targeting a QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Cinci overlooks the fine State of Pennsyltucky. I think you need to put some hook on the ball to land in the Bluegrass though : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 22 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said: There’s no way it happens. No chance in hell. Burrow is from OH and the perfect player they need. Miami could have 10 first round picks, they won’t trade. It would take burrow pushing the issue I think... but not sure how they would react to that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) i would be extremely pissed if the Bengals allow the Phish to take Burrow. he has all the makings of a better Tom Brady. Edited February 8, 2020 by Foxx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Bears ? Wow ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 10 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Why? Blue chip QB prospect going to a division rival... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 Mahomes Jackson Watson its tough enough...loading the AFC with POTENTIALLY Tua and Burrow. woooooeeeeeee Its an arms race baby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 The media has created this idea of Burrow not wanting to go to the Bengals. I would be pissed if I was them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Mark92 said: The media has created this idea of Burrow not wanting to go to the Bengals. I would be pissed if I was them. I agree it seems they are parsing together different things to try create a narrative. He hasn’t come out and said he wants to go there, but I don’t blame him, since he doesn’t know for sure who will have that pick this early. I think mayfield did come out and say he wanted to go to Cleveland but that was closer to the draft. The Carson Palmer comments about the Bengals not being committed to winning seem to be driving it, since he’s training with his brother. Edited February 9, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 4:08 PM, YoloinOhio said: Very interesting audio. Miami has 3 1st rounders and sits at 5. Apparently Stephen Ross is enamored with taking Burrow. Could trade all to Cincy for the 1st pick and Cincy could just take Herbert at 5. Add to that the rumors that Burrow does not want to go to the Bengals. He is training with Jordan Palmer and Carson has been very vocal lately about why he wanted out of the Bengals organization and they weren’t committed to winning a SB. Maybe the Bengals don’t take him if his agent makes an issue out of it, and take another one of the top QBs instead while collecting all the picks. curious to see if They can pull it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Blue chip QB prospect going to a division rival... Happened in 2018 with the Jets, and they suck. Nothing to see until he proves something 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 2 hours ago, thebandit27 said: Happened in 2018 with the Jets, and they suck. Nothing to see until he proves something While I agree that the regime plays a big part in how successful a QB will be, it’s still not something you want to see happen in your division... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 3:08 PM, YoloinOhio said: Very interesting audio. Miami has 3 1st rounders and sits at 5. Apparently Stephen Ross is enamored with taking Burrow. Could trade all to Cincy for the 1st pick and Cincy could just take Herbert at 5. Add to that the rumors that Burrow does not want to go to the Bengals. He is training with Jordan Palmer and Carson has been very vocal lately about why he wanted out of the Bengals organization and they weren’t committed to winning a SB. Maybe the Bengals don’t take him if his agent makes an issue out of it, and take another one of the top QBs instead while collecting all the picks. **** Miami they trade ( 2nd round pick ) for wrong Josh and then sit him , instead of letting him play for the first overall pick ... again **** Miami !!!!! Thank you Fitzy !!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: While I agree that the regime plays a big part in how successful a QB will be, it’s still not something you want to see happen in your division... Meh, I really don’t worry about that stuff. You can’t control who gets drafted in your division. If you do a good enough job of improving your team you’ll stay ahead of the competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 4:08 PM, YoloinOhio said: Very interesting audio. Miami has 3 1st rounders and sits at 5. Apparently Stephen Ross is enamored with taking Burrow. Could trade all to Cincy for the 1st pick and Cincy could just take Herbert at 5. Add to that the rumors that Burrow does not want to go to the Bengals. He is training with Jordan Palmer and Carson has been very vocal lately about why he wanted out of the Bengals organization and they weren’t committed to winning a SB. Maybe the Bengals don’t take him if his agent makes an issue out of it, and take another one of the top QBs instead while collecting all the picks. The absolute worst for franchises is when your owner wants someone, they really need to step aside and let the guys who know what they're doing pick the players. I'm not saying this guy can't be a great NFL QB but this screams of Mitch Tubisky coming out of college raw with 1 year of tape, granted Mitch didn't throw for 60 TD and only 6 INT but they're also very similar in the fact they don't have rocket arms. If the Bengals like Tua or Herbert and the Dolphins offer them multiple first they may be very wise to pass on this guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 If Cincy likes Tua and doesn't feel like there's much of a difference between the two, then they should absolutely fleece Miami. It would certainly help us too, so I'm rooting for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 9, 2020 Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 8:42 AM, YoloinOhio said: Talk about throwing ***** to the wall and sees what sticks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 4:41 PM, YoloinOhio said: Some already want Herbert so would be happy. Those fans should be forced to sit inside the stadium while it burns down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Reed83HOF Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 (edited) This ####### is trying too hard Edited February 10, 2020 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Chatter of debatable quality aside, if Burrow is smart then he’ll have his agent working behind the scenes to make sure he’s not a Bengal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On 2/8/2020 at 2:03 PM, Foxx said: i would be extremely pissed if the Bengals allow the Phish to take Burrow. he has all the makings of a better Tom Brady. I have to slightly disagree with you there. The talent is there with Burrows no question, but the big question is can he adapt to the NFL? I remain skeptical on Burrows. I think Tua ( minus the injury problems) is a better QB than Burrows. So far he’s only coming off ONE really good year and the other years he didn’t do much. 50/50 with Burrows for me 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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