K-9 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s from Ohio but not Cincy (basically Kentucky) Isn’t Cincy basically Kentucky as well? Just a decent 3 wood away after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Very interesting audio. Miami has 3 1st rounders and sits at 5. Apparently Stephen Ross is enamored with taking Burrow. Could trade all to Cincy for the 1st pick and Cincy could just take Herbert at 5. Add to that the rumors that Burrow does not want to go to the Bengals. He is training with Jordan Palmer and Carson has been very vocal lately about why he wanted out of the Bengals organization and they weren’t committed to winning a SB. Maybe the Bengals don’t take him if his agent makes an issue out of it, and take another one of the top QBs instead while collecting all the picks. The fundamental issue here is that the Bengals are in the driver's seat. Unless they want to trade, if the Bengals want Burrow there's nothing Miami can do about it. 8 minutes ago, Hardhatharry said: I am so happy Fitz was on that team now they need to package all those picks for the QB they want muhahahaha. They will still have so many hole it will kill the QBs development. Yes, I said at the time they signed him "well, there goes their tank!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 To be honest I’m not sold on Burrow. He had a hell of a year don’t get me wrong but I just don’t see it for him. I think Cincinnati is the worst place for a QB like him to go to 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I think Tua will be gone at 3. Someone trades with Detroit Probably Miami. They’re really the only team everyone has him going to. I heard the raiders but we all know Gruden is scared shitless on drafting QBS lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, K-9 said: Isn’t Cincy basically Kentucky as well? Just a decent 3 wood away after all. That’s what I meant. He’s not from Cincy, which is basically Kentucky. He’s from SE Ohio, a good two hours away. He wouldn’t have grown up a Bengals fan or anything most likely. I know he’s a huge Cavs fan. Edited February 7, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s what I meant. He’s not from Cincy, which is basically Kentucky. He’s from SE Ohio, a good two hours away. He wouldn’t have grown up a Bengals fan or anything most likely. I know he’s a huge Cavs fan. I totally misread that, Yolo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 I like Burrow but I don’t think he’s good enough to pass up 3 first rounders and still be able to land Tua or Herbert. At this time last year, most people were laughing at the thought of Kyler Murray going number 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Virgil said: The Bengals would be fools to trade that pick and the Dolphins as well for giving up all of that capital. If they believe Tua is healthy then get him and build up the rest of the team. The thing is, Miami picks at #5. Even if we stipulate that Washington (which just held a "changing of the guard") is satisfied with their QB situation and will not pull a Cardinals-like move of drafting a QB two years in a row and that Detroit has no interest in drafting a replacement for the 32 year old Matt Stafford - and I'm not sure either is 100% off the table - there's nothing to say that Washington at #2, Detroit at #3, and the Giants at #4 won't answer the phone and entertain offers. The Bengals would move from being in the driver's seat, to hoping no one who drafts ahead of them will sell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Who won this trade? From the NY Times in 1983: John Elway, the Stanford University quarterback who insisted he would not play for the Baltimore Colts when they made him the first pick in the National Football League draft last week, was traded last night to the Denver Broncos. In exchange for Elway, the Colts received Chris Hinton, the offensive guard from Northwestern who was the Broncos' first pick in the draft and the fourth player taken over all; Mark Herrmann, a quarterback from Purdue who has played three seasons with the Broncos; and the Broncos' first-round draft choice in 1984. Quarterbacks always go earlier than people think in January/Feb. I remember the back page of the NY Post the day after the Colts sent Elway to Denver. The headline said GRAND THEFT ELWAY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Very interesting audio. Miami has 3 1st rounders and sits at 5. Apparently Stephen Ross is enamored with taking Burrow. Could trade all to Cincy for the 1st pick and Cincy could just take Herbert at 5. Add to that the rumors that Burrow does not want to go to the Bengals. He is training with Jordan Palmer and Carson has been very vocal lately about why he wanted out of the Bengals organization and they weren’t committed to winning a SB. Maybe the Bengals don’t take him if his agent makes an issue out of it, and take another one of the top QBs instead while collecting all the picks. Wow, Carson Palmer has some big balls still harping on the Bengals over how they called his bluff when he said he was retiring, like a baby, after 2010 ("I have 80 million in the bank"). Two winning seasons. They went to the playoffs 5 years in a row after he was traded to Oakland. Anyway...Not even the Brown family could screw this up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 If I'm the Dolphins, I sit back and rebuild my roster. They are terrible. They can take a QB at 5 or maybe hope Tua falls and take him later. Hell they can pass on QB all together and trade down to get more picks in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 Guys, the Dolphins have Rosen so I doubt they pick a QB. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I can’t see Mike Brown doing anything that helps another team. That’s not him. We’re talking about the guy that nixed a trade that would’ve sent AJ Green out of town simply because he didn’t want Green to play for anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Some already want Herbert so would be happy. Over Burrow? Are they soccer fans? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said: Guys, the Dolphins have Rosen so I doubt they pick a QB. Ross yammering on about how he'd trade three #1s for Burrows is not exactly enhancing the market value for Rosen. Only a dolt would talk down his own roster. One thing is certain - the Dolphins are much closer to being a winner than the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) I hope the Dolphins trade all their draft picks for Burrow. It may work out eventually, but it will take time. Edited February 8, 2020 by JetsFan20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) Man, that would suck so bad for the Bills and the fans... Edited February 8, 2020 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 9 hours ago, SCBills said: Bengals fans would riot. all both of em. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 All they had to do to get the #1 pick was not play Fitz yet they did and won meaningless games. NO WAY Cincinnati moves that pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 What Ross did here was calculated. Set the bar to either scare other teams, or see what others are willing to give up. The thing is, if you want the guy, go get him. Coulda tanked for him, but have to deal with the situation they are in. The phins need to jettison some of those first round picks. Imagine the cap dollars If all 5 of those players hit, assuming one of them is a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Miami needs those picks to rebuild and Herbert would be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I like Joe Burrow, and I think he will be a Franchise QB, but Miami has a heck of a lot of holes on that team. They basically need to rebuild the entire OL, need a long term answer at QB, the defense needs major work, and their RB depth chart is full of a bunch of PS players. At the same time Miami owns an insane 13 picks in this upcoming draft, with 6 of those in the first 3 rounds. They have a whopping three 1st Round picks, two 2nd's, and a 3rd. If any team could move up and still have plenty of picks left to maneuver then it's the Dolphins. Who knows what they will do? Who knows what Mike Brown actually wants? One thing I do believe is if they trade out of #1, passing on the homegrown Burrow, then that could be the final nail in the coffin for that franchise. The fans just won't show up or buy any merchandise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 with this many high picks they can set themselves up for a decade pr become a laughing stock for another generation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s from Ohio but not Cincy (basically Kentucky) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 11 hours ago, JaCrispy said: Man, that would suck so bad for the Bills and the fans... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 16 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Very interesting audio. Miami has 3 1st rounders and sits at 5. Apparently Stephen Ross is enamored with taking Burrow. Could trade all to Cincy for the 1st pick and Cincy could just take Herbert at 5. Add to that the rumors that Burrow does not want to go to the Bengals. He is training with Jordan Palmer and Carson has been very vocal lately about why he wanted out of the Bengals organization and they weren’t committed to winning a SB. Maybe the Bengals don’t take him if his agent makes an issue out of it, and take another one of the top QBs instead while collecting all the picks. Kind of funny if Miami just decided to let Rosen play they would have been able to draft Burrow without having to trade anything and still have 2 more picks in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Kind of funny if Miami just decided to let Rosen play they would have been able to draft Burrow without having to trade anything and still have 2 more picks in round 1. But then Flores would be on the hot seat heading into year two. His coaching job and level of effort he got out of those scrubs should give that team hope. I think that means more than tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 13 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Guys, the Dolphins have Rosen so I doubt they pick a QB. ...think I'll send them a sympathy card.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 Not sure if Sileo really knows anything but, blue check mark and all that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 ......the first thing you have to do is decide if Joe Burrow is a "franchise" QB. ....IF the Bengals think that's who he is, there should not be any amount of draft capital that could be offered that you'd ever accept in exchange for that. QB is the hardest position in team sports to fill. If you can get the rare guy that lifts up everyone around him and makes you a contender year in and year out for 15 years, you don't trade that guy or his draft rights. ONLY if the Bengals evaluate Burrow and determine that he isn't that guy....then the bounty they get for that pick, plus the potential to take one of the other QB still as an option, would be smart. .....either way, the Bengals really need to be right about this pick. Think of it like this.....the Sh*t show that is the Bengals, was a winning team and was a contender when they had Carson Palmer. The right QB does that. Then look at teams that got bounties of picks they took when another team traded up for a QB.....history shows you take the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Not sure if Sileo really knows anything but, blue check mark and all that If they give up anything serious for a non QB they are going to screw themselves. Perfect position but can’t let the board fall to them!? Seen that too many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CommonCents said: If they give up anything serious for a non QB they are going to screw themselves. Perfect position but can’t let the board fall to them!? Seen that too many times. If true —This says they want Tua, if they go to 2. Sounds like Cincy already saying they are unwilling to trade and Burrow will be gone. Trying to get ahead of anyone who would trade with Detroit. Edited February 8, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: This says they want Tua, if they go to 2. Blehhhhh. They are already convinced he is the guy? Ok, If so the move makes sense. I always said that about Buffalo and applauded when they did it for Allen. Find your guy and stop at nothing to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Blehhhhh. They are already convinced he is the guy? Ok, If so the move makes sense. I always said that about Buffalo and applauded when they did it for Allen. Find your guy and stop at nothing to get him. Or it could be a move like the Jets made in ‘18. Maybe don’t know who your guy is yet but get in best possible position to take whoever you want. The caveat is you might be able to get that guy at 5. But I guess jump everyone early before they get jumped. Edited February 8, 2020 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Or it could be a move like the Jets made in ‘18. Maybe don’t know who your guy is yet but get in best possible position to take whoever you want. Riskier this year, unless they love the QBs that most people don’t. The second and third best QBs in this draft could both still be on the board when they pick. If not, at least one of them will be and is there really that much of a gap? Feels like they are flexing their draft capital a bit and it’s going to set them back. Good for us though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 8, 2020 Author Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Riskier this year, unless they love the QBs that most people don’t. The second and third best QBs in this draft could both still be on the board when they pick. If not, at least one of them will be and is there really that much of a gap? Feels like they are flexing their draft capital a bit and it’s going to set them back. Good for us though. Yeah, they have those picks because they got rid of pro bowl level talent at LT and safety. Need to replenish. I don’t know if any of these QBs are worth 3 1sts but who knows. On the other hand - maybe they are positioning themselves for Chase Young and will take the QB next year. I wouldn’t want Chase Young there as a Bills fan. Edited February 8, 2020 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Why? Was going to ask that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 I look forward to watching the fish squander their draft capital, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 17 hours ago, TigerJ said: Exactly. Drafting Burrow requires a trade by Miami with Cincinnati, and that trade requires willingness on the part of Cincinnati. The owner of the Browns has a mind of his own. Haslem is an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, K-9 said: Isn’t Cincy basically Kentucky as well? Just a decent 3 wood away after all. Kinda.........it's the beginning of the South, I can tell you that. And you'll need a bomb driver shot over the Ohio River, it's pretty wide for a 3-wood. Edited February 8, 2020 by Seasons1992 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123719bwiqrb Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Just readng the title, I can tell you now - no f'ing way that'll happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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