Mel Kiper has the bills taking Shenault Jr

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

I could go along with Kiper's prognostication...if Russ Brandon was still heading the show circa 2008.  The decision to take Hardy (RIP) was total need.  

 

It speaks to the penchant for (credit to @BADOLBILZ) using their 2nd round picks across multiple regimes on needs.  

 

I know it's popular to project Buffalo taking a WR in RD1, but I still can see them focusing on a DE and then moving around the board for a WR.

 

It's waaaay too early, but I could see that scenario playing out.  

 

This 2020 class is the deepest WR pool EVER.

 

There could be a 4th, 5th, 6th round pick at the WR position who could easily be the best WR in this class.

 

That is how good this 2020 WR group is.

[BillsVet]

17 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

This 2020 class is the deepest WR pool EVER.

 

There could be a 4th, 5th, 6th round pick at the WR position who could easily be the best WR in this class.

 

That is how good this 2020 WR group is.

 

Yes, this class is very deep at WR.  

 

Still, this franchise is entering year 4 of the McBeane rebuild.  There is an expectation whether fans have it or not that they will progress beyond making the playoffs.  To that point, I would expect them to look for players who can help now.  It wouldn't surprise me to see them continue their habit of trading up and doing so for someone who can produce immediately.

 

They don't have time to let a player develop.  The time is now. 

[njbuff]

45 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Yes, this class is very deep at WR.  

 

Still, this franchise is entering year 4 of the McBeane rebuild.  There is an expectation whether fans have it or not that they will progress beyond making the playoffs.  To that point, I would expect them to look for players who can help now.  It wouldn't surprise me to see them continue their habit of trading up and doing so for someone who can produce immediately.

 

They don't have time to let a player develop.  The time is now. 

 

You can still be a SB contender and still have player development.

 

While they were still building in the 80's, they took chances on the Leon Seals and Jeff Wright's of the world.

 

They had a smart front office back then. I think they finally have a front office to match that now.

[NewEra]

After some thought, I’d be ok with this on one condition.  We sign Amari Cooper (whom I don’t really want, but Viska fits with him imo) or Aj green. 

[inkman]

2 hours ago, BillsVet said:

I could go along with Kiper's prognostication...if Russ Brandon was still heading the show circa 2008.  The decision to take Hardy (RIP) was total need.  

 

It speaks to the penchant for (credit to @BADOLBILZ) using their 2nd round picks across multiple regimes on needs.  

 

I know it's popular to project Buffalo taking a WR in RD1, but I still can see them focusing on a DE and then moving around the board for a WR.

 

It's waaaay too early, but I could see that scenario playing out.  

With the depth at WR in the draft, would they even need to move up (after their 1st pick) to get a legit WR1 prospect?

[njbuff]

5 minutes ago, inkman said:

With the depth at WR in the draft, would they even need to move up (after their 1st pick) to get a legit WR1 prospect?

 

That would be the all time stupid move since one will fall into your lap.

 

Oh wait...............

 

This franchise already did that in 2014. ?

[ExWNYer]

It's tough to project at this time of year but right now (not knowing what will transpire in FA), I feel like they will go Edge in the 1st and either take a WR in the 2nd or trade back up into the end of Round 1 for one. JMO

[inkman]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

That would be the all time stupid move since one will fall into your lap.

 

Oh wait...............

 

This franchise already did that in 2014. ?

Yeah grab your edge guy in the first, then whatever stud WR falls (some are going to have to fall due to the sheer number of them) to you in the second, ***** him up. 

 

I haven't seen much of Higgins or Shenault but neither look like the guy we need.  I wish Ja'Marr Chase was able to enter the draft.  Holy smokes does he look good. Jefferson looked good in the bowl games.  I wouldn't mind him if he fell to us.  I like him better than the two I previously mentioned.  

[njbuff]

Just now, inkman said:

Yeah grab your edge guy in the first, then whatever stud WR falls (some are going to have to fall due to the sheer number of them) to you in the second, ***** him up. 

 

I haven't seen much of Higgins or Shenault but neither look like the guy we need.  I wish Ja'Marr Chase was able to enter the draft.  Holy smokes does he look good. Jefferson looked good in the bowl games.  I wouldn't mind him if he fell to us.  I like him better than the two I previously mentioned.  

 

Josh Allen needs a guy who can run the entire route tree.

 

My guy from the start has been Tyler Johnson. He could easily wind up being the best all around WR from this draft.

 

But it's all way too early yet.

[CommonCents]

2020’s Curtis Samuel no freaking thanks! 

 

The people that are talking as if he is a refined WR are bonkers. He is a gadget player. Way too much of a risk with that first round pick, the WR depth in this year’s draft allows a team like Buffalo to wait until day two. 

[njbuff]

3 minutes ago, CommonCents said:

2020’s Curtis Samuel no freaking thanks! 

 

The people that are talking as if he is a refined WR are bonkers. He is a gadget player. Way too much of a risk with that first round pick, the WR depth in this year’s draft allows a team like Buffalo to wait until day two. 

 

Knox's development, Singletary's development, Brown, Beasley is what they have now.

 

They really need a reliable third WR who can be a factor from the get-go in this offense.

 

A pick on day two on a WR could fill that role.

 

Only question is can said pick be an immediate threat for Allen, which they will desperately need.

[CommonCents]

Just now, njbuff said:

 

Knox's development, Singletary's development, Brown, Beasley is what they have now.

 

They really need a reliable third WR who can be a factor from the get-go in this offense.

 

A pick on day two on a WR could fill that role.

 

Only question is can said pick be an immediate threat for Allen, which they will desperately need.

They need an impact play maker out wide, they don’t need a better version of McCittrick.

[Putin]

6 hours ago, klos63 said:

Is a 'pure' WR the same as a 'true' WR?

Is a pure WR and a true WR = # 1 WR ??

[Don Otreply]

6 hours ago, klos63 said:

Is a 'pure' WR the same as a 'true' WR?

I’m thinking, the word “distillation “ needs to be used in the description...

 

Go Bills!!!

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

That would be the all time stupid move since one will fall into your lap.

 

Oh wait...............

 

This franchise already did that in 2014. ?

And how is that relevant with this FO?

asking for a friend....

 

Go Bills!!!

[njbuff]

2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

And how is that relevant with this FO?

asking for a friend....

 

Go Bills!!!

 

It ain't damned relevant at all, just sayin.

[TigerJ]

18 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

cool with this or Higgins (or a DE.) 

Most mocks that have Buffalo going WR in round 1 go with either Tee Higgins or Laviska Shenault.  I've seen an outlier or two that go in a different direction.  One recently had Buffalo picking Henry Ruggs III.  A while back there was one that slotted Jalen Raegor to Buffalo for a while.

 

If Yetur Gross-Matos goes before 22, it might be tough to find good value at DE. Curtis Weaver, maybe, but personally I think he's a bit of a reach.  Chaisson is a talented edge rusher, but unless he adds some to his playing weight, he's undersized for a DE.  He might replace Lorenzo Alexander, playing some at linebacker and some on the line.

[CEN-CAL17]

I really see the Bills going defensive Playmaker round 1, OLB/Edge....

 

Theres 3 WRs I like 

 

Bryan Edwards South Carolina 

Brandon Aiyuk Arizona St

Quartney Davis Texas A&M

 

I think those 3 WRs will go between picks 50-75.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

It ain't damned relevant at all, just sayin.

Ah, I see... ?

[SWATeam]

1 hour ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I really see the Bills going defensive Playmaker round 1, OLB/Edge....

 

Theres 3 WRs I like 

 

Bryan Edwards South Carolina 

Brandon Aiyuk Arizona St

Quartney Davis Texas A&M

 

I think those 3 WRs will go between picks 50-75.

I'm with you but would throw USC's Pittman in that mix.

 

My dream first rounder would be Gross-Matos at the moment.

[Franchiseneedsme]

I would take Shunalt.... but I really want one of Judy, Lamb, or Ruggs.. and I might want Ruggs as my 1st guy. To get one of those, the Bill's would need to trade between 12-15 I believe. What does the draft chart say the Bill's would have to trade to move up?

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

I doubt there is a tougher WR in this draft class than Shenault, he's definitely not a polished all around WR but he can be, he has that Hines Ward toughness in him and I really like that plus he's faster and taller than Ward. I'd be happy with him as our #1 WR down the road.

[PetermansRedemption]

14 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

About this same time in 2018, Kiper had the Browns taking Josh Allen #1 overall and the Giants taking Josh Rosen #2 overall.  2019 this time of year. Bosa to the Cardinals #1 overall.

 

That Is All.

To be fair, did anyone predict the QB’s directly for 2018? And before the rumors of Kingsbury/Keim loving Murray started no one truly believed they would move on from Rosen after one season. 

3 hours ago, Franchiseneedsme said:

I would take Shunalt.... but I really want one of Judy, Lamb, or Ruggs.. and I might want Ruggs as my 1st guy. To get one of those, the Bill's would need to trade between 12-15 I believe. What does the draft chart say the Bill's would have to trade to move up?

Their first born and sell their soul 

[Thurman#1]

22 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Is this guy ever right?

 

 

Yeah, a lot. When he was submitting his drafts to the Huddle Report, the main source for draft accuracy, his five-year average was fourth out of all mock drafters. He's very good.

 

But what he's doing, mocking the draft, is impossible to do with an extremely high rate of accuracy in terms of getting a lot of the direct team-player matchups right. It's just too complicated a system.

[atlbillsfan1975]

24 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, a lot. When he was submitting his drafts to the Huddle Report, the main source for draft accuracy, his five-year average was fourth out of all mock drafters. He's very good.

 

But what he's doing, mocking the draft, is impossible to do with an extremely high rate of accuracy in terms of getting a lot of the direct team-player matchups right. It's just too complicated a system.

Correct. It’s also to early for any of these to be very accurate. 

[Chicken Boo]

22 hours ago, Estro said:

I don't particularly like Shenault as a WR prospect.  He seems more athlete than refined WR to me kind of like Cordarelle Patterson was coming out of Tennessee.  To me there is a lot of risk that he never becomes a dominant WR and is just more of as gadget player.  

 

Shenault is light years ahead of where Cordarrelle Patterson was!  That's a very poor comparison.  They have completely different builds and Patterson's red flags were apparent to anyone who was paying attention.  He was very raw and the furthest thing from a natural hands catcher.

 

If Laviska played for a big time program, he'd be drawing Julio Jones/T.O. comparisons.

[ALLEN1QB]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, a lot. When he was submitting his drafts to the Huddle Report, the main source for draft accuracy, his five-year average was fourth out of all mock drafters. He's very good.

 

But what he's doing, mocking the draft, is impossible to do with an extremely high rate of accuracy in terms of getting a lot of the direct team-player matchups right. It's just too complicated a system.

Is this you Mel?

[Warren Zevon]

On 1/25/2020 at 7:47 AM, eball said:

His highlight reel looks good but only 4 receiving TDs last year?

 

Could be the reason he falls to the 20s

[CommonCents]

7 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

Could be the reason he falls to the 20s

I think he goes in the 2nd round. 

[JinxedBill]

This teams going BPA in round 1.  Beane doesn’t draft for need unless the value is there.

 

With a deep WR class I’d be shocked if they moved up for a WR or even took one in round one.

 

There may be a run on WRs come round 2 where those extra picks may come in handy but I doubt that run happens in rd 1. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

I really see the Bills going defensive Playmaker round 1, OLB/Edge....

 

That's my reading of the tea-leaves as well.  Who do you like so far and how likely they will be there?

 

13 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Theres 3 WRs I like 

 

Bryan Edwards South Carolina 

Brandon Aiyuk Arizona St

Quartney Davis Texas A&M

 

I think those 3 WRs will go between picks 50-75.

 

So Edwards and Aiyuk didn't play at the Sr Bowl correct?  Edwards wasn't there, they interviewed Aiyuk?

[CEN-CAL17]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's my reading of the tea-leaves as well.  Who do you like so far and how likely they will be there?

 

 

So Edwards and Aiyuk didn't play at the Sr Bowl correct?  Edwards wasn't there, they interviewed Aiyuk?

Yes, that’s correct.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Yes, that’s correct.

 

So what do you know about the draft crop of Edge/OLB or OT guys?  Is there anyone we might be able to get at 22?

[chris heff]

On 1/25/2020 at 10:38 AM, klos63 said:

Is a 'pure' WR the same as a 'true' WR?

No, a true WR is honest, does not lie. A pure WR is unblemished, or not de-flowered.

[CardinalScotts]

I watched him play 3 times last year.....certainly stuck out man among boys fast powerful nasty and clutch and someone you can see where his game would adapt to the NFL as quick as anyone. 

20 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Yes, this class is very deep at WR.  

 

Still, this franchise is entering year 4 of the McBeane rebuild.  There is an expectation whether fans have it or not that they will progress beyond making the playoffs.  To that point, I would expect them to look for players who can help now.  It wouldn't surprise me to see them continue their habit of trading up and doing so for someone who can produce immediately.

 

They don't have time to let a player develop.  The time is now. 

dont really care if its year FOUR !!!!  all that matters is where they are now it's not a race you bring your project qb along surrounding him with good players on offense and a good to great defense. They are doing this not putting too much on Allen's plate adding more as they go they are doing this perfectly he's going to be great because they have gone about it right understanding drafted at 21 from Wyoming coming from JUCO. Someone like Borrow as an example will be playing in the NFL at 25 next year different set of circumstances

[CEN-CAL17]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

So what do you know about the draft crop of Edge/OLB or OT guys?  Is there anyone we might be able to get at 22?

At 22... Possibly K’Lavin Chaisson LSU, some mock drafts have him going between 10-15, I personally think he goes closer to 20.

 

Maybe Zach Baun LB Wisconsin. Been getting good write ups from the Senior Bowl. Solid player definitely a process guy. I think Wisconsin played him all over the defense, quick, great hands had 12.5 sacks this year. 6-2 240, may be able to get to 245-250. He’s more of a late first around 30, trade down perhaps. But after the senior bowl week, plus workouts, I could see this kid easily being our pick at 22. This guys has McD and his style defense written all over him!

 

Julian Okwara. Definitely has the size. Almost used exactly how we use Lorax, he’s from Notre Dame. He’s a guy to keep an eye on. Pending workouts probably in April due to breaking his leg. But potential is high on this kid. Been Mocked in round 1, anywhere from 20-32.

 

And Bradley Anea from Utah. At the Senior Bowl this kid had enthusiasm. Great build and size. Plays with intensity. Again, later round 1 potential, early round 2, could be a trade down scenario late round 1.

 

Some May say Kenneth Murray from Oklahoma but I think he’s more of a true OLB vs edge/OLB.... but who knows.

 

Realistically at 22, I think you’re looking at Baun and Okwara.

 

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by CEN-CAL17

[klos63]

1 hour ago, chris heff said:

No, a true WR is honest, does not lie. A pure WR is unblemished, or not de-flowered.

so not likely to find a 'pure' WR in the draft?  Tebow was a 'pure' QB/FB.

 

[MizzouBillTiger]

On 1/25/2020 at 6:47 AM, eball said:

His highlight reel looks good but only 4 receiving TDs last year?

He was better in 2018. He actually had several rushing TDs that year. Shenault was only in college because he had to be. Could have been a lack of interest

[Nextmanup]

On 1/25/2020 at 7:31 AM, TroutDog said:

One thing I appreciate about Beane is that I am basically sure that we won’t be drafting a CJ Spiller, McCargo or Maybin again. For me, that makes the draft all the more fun. 
 

Last year I was somewhat stunned with the Singletary pick but, as per usual, Beane was right. My point is, whomever they pick, it has a high probability of being the right pick!

If they trade up to make the pick, it is never right.

 

 

[HappyDays]

Im surprised with some of the comments in this thread. I guess it's that time of the year where we start finding every little flaw with the prospects mocked to the Bills. Last year it was DK Metcalf. Shenault would be a very good pick at 22, if he makes it that far. I'm not gonna overthink this. There are no perfect prospects available that late in the round and we need offensive talent.