Gugny Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Do you think Eli will get into the Hall of Fame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 He will. I don’t believe he should. Not first ballot 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) I would expect him to. Two SB victories, 2 SB MVP’s and 7th in passing yards (plus most post season yards in a season). Edited January 26, 2020 by TroutDog 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) The same year as Chris Kelsay Edited January 22, 2020 by HOUSE 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 .500 career winning percentage and (correct me if I'm wrong) never led the NFL in passing during his career. No way. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Nope. He beat the Patriots in the SB twice, but that was primarily because of their defense. Eli was good, but not great like his brother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I think the name and super bowls get him in first ballot. He will be remembered as much better than he ever actually was. He was probably never a top 10 quarterback in the league but those super bowl rings will do the trick 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, HOUSE said: The same year as Chris Kelsay Trent Murphy makes me appreciate Chris Kelsay. and eli is one of the most overrated players in nfl history. But because he “won” 2 SBs with the luckiest runs in nfl history (I remember the Bills played the Giants at the Ralph and he fumbled like 7 times and all my giant fan friends wanted he benched and then he won the SB in a few weeks), he’s a lock. But he will go down with Terry Bradshaw as the worst qbs to ever win multiple SBs. Seemed like a nice guy though and made a lot of money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I think he's a lock to get in, but I think the Hall of Fame should be more exclusive than it is, and in such a world, he would not be considered a Hall of Famer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: .500 career winning percentage and (correct me if I'm wrong) never led the NFL in passing during his career. No way. Does Rivers get in over Manning in your opinion? Just now, DCOrange said: I think he's a lock to get in, but I think the Hall of Fame should be more exclusive than it is, and in such a world, he would not be considered a Hall of Famer. Can’t tell the story of the NFL without the Manning Brothers standing in Brady’s way during his prime. I get your point but I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 He will. Whether he should is different. But he will. He was a career average NFL QB but when he got hot he led two famous post season runs and that throw to Tyree where he escaped two sure sacks.... that is a play you can't write the last 15 years of NFL history without. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Without a doubt and I suspect first ballot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: I think he's a lock to get in, but I think the Hall of Fame should be more exclusive than it is, and in such a world, he would not be considered a Hall of Famer. I got slack for it but I don’t think Gore is a HOFer. How many years was Gore a dominant player? The HOFer is supposed to be for the greatest players of all time. Gore and Eli aren’t close to the greatest players of all time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, DCOrange said: I think he's a lock to get in, but I think the Hall of Fame should be more exclusive than it is, and in such a world, he would not be considered a Hall of Famer. Kind of where I stand. He piled up stats and won two Super Bowls including one vs., arguably, the best team ever. I never thought he was that good but his resume is strong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 2 SB wins How many Pro Bowls? eventually if those are people’s criteria Edited January 22, 2020 by SlimShady'sGhost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 7th all-time in yards, 7th all-time in TD passes. 2 Super Bowl wins. First ballot Hall of Famer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray Beard Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 It’s interesting that it’s called Hall of Fame, not Hall of Great Players. In my opinion, he’s famous, but he’s not great. I don’t think he should get in, but his fame may get him in anyway. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 If his last name was Johnson he'd get in eventually, but it's Manning so he's first ballot. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, Binghamton Beast said: 7th all-time in yards, 7th all-time in TD passes. 2 Super Bowl wins. First ballot Hall of Famer. Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF. He was a stat complier. He just played in a lot of games. I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF? This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF. He was a stat complier. He just played in a lot of games. I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF? This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF. Eli Manning ***** on Matthew Stafford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: .500 career winning percentage and (correct me if I'm wrong) never led the NFL in passing during his career. No way. Postseason counts -- and it should count. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF. He was a stat complier. He just played in a lot of games. I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF? This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF. If Stafford had two rings he would get in too. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF. He was a stat complier. He just played in a lot of games. I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF? This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF. The postseason: believe in it. It is, and should be, determinative in borderline cases. It's what the game is all about. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: 2 SB wins How many Pro Bowls? eventually if those are people’s criteria All pros is the way to go.but he never made one all pro and only 4 pro bowls in 16 years! Was he ever in the conversation for a MVP? he will get in but he wasn’t that good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I voted yes. 1.) It's becoming the Hall of the Very Good, (2) he has two rings, (3) has a legacy name and (4) played in a high profile media market... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 He's easily going to the HOF. 1st ballot is the only real question here? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 I remember him more fondly than Troy Aikman, who got in playing with a great offensive cast who are also in the HOF. Eli won two SBs with a lesser offensive supporting cast. I say yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 He’s one of the best of his era. He has two all time great throws IN a super bowl, including the one that iced the perfect season. He deserves it based on the Tyree play alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yuck if he’s a first ballot HOF. He was a stat complier. He just played in a lot of games. I know it’s a team stat but should a qb with a .500 record be a first ballot HOF? This would be like Matt Stafford going to the HOF. Don't forget this game either. Many thought the 15-1 Packers were unbeatable in 2011. He lit them up in Lambeau. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201201150gnb.htm In the postseason, his winning percentage was .667. Edited January 22, 2020 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: Eli Manning ***** on Matthew Stafford. This isn’t even close to being right. MS’s stats are way better across the board. 2 lucky wild card runs saved Eli’s career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: All pros is the way to go.but he never made one all pro and only 4 pro bowls in 16 years! Was he ever in the conversation for a MVP? he will get in but he wasn’t that good. Yes, he won two MVPs - in championship games against the greatest franchise in the modern era. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Don't forget this game either. Many thought the 15-1 Packers were unbeatable in 2011. He lit them up in Lambeau. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201201150gnb.htm In the postseason, his winning percentage was .667. Probably the best thing on his resume. Good point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: This isn’t even close to being right. MS’s stats are way better across the board. 2 lucky wild card runs saved Eli’s career. They weren't really lucky. He played well. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, dave mcbride said: They weren't really lucky. He played well. I guess I did forgot about that. You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years. so is Flacco a HOFer? 4 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said: He’s one of the best of his era. He has two all time great throws IN a super bowl, including the one that iced the perfect season. He deserves it based on the Tyree play alone. I think Dave’s made some good points about his postseason play. But how many times was ELi consider a top 10 qb, much less top 5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I guess I did forgot about that. You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years. so is Flacco a HOFer? That's a good question. He really was a sensational postseason player (10-5) and 98-73 as a starter. He has over 40,000 yards. That said, I doubt it. It's closer than you might think, though! Also, if Lee Evans hangs on to the freaking ball, he may have had 2 rings. Also, @C.Biscuit97, Flacco has one of the greatest stat lines ever for a QB getting credited with a "win" in what was actually a total blowout of the Pats by the Ravens. Check out his passing stats in this game: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201001100nwe.htm 10 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I guess I did forgot about that. You’re right. He Joe Flacco’d those years. so is Flacco a HOFer? I think Dave’s made some good points about his postseason play. But how many times was ELi consider a top 10 qb, much less top 5? Regular season? Maybe 2-3 seasons - 2011, 2012, and 2015. Maybe on the outer edge in 2008 too, but that's debatable. That's it, as far as I can tell. Edited January 22, 2020 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Probably doesn't deserve to based on pure numbers but since voters love Super Bowl victories at starting QB I am pretty sure he will. The HOF is cheapened by his inclusion tho IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Eli Manning had two of the All-Time best playoff runs in NFL history. In 2007 he beat Tampa Bay away (Modest upset) and then upset Tony Romo and TO's Cowboys away, beat Brett Farve's last ride Packers teams in Lambo, and then upset a 18-0 Pats team. All with clutch plays in each of those games to seal a victory. In 2011 Eli Beat Matt Ryan at home in round 1 (probably the only game in this 8 game stretch they were favored and the only one they were at home for), then beat a 15-1 Packers team that was the defending champs led by Aaron Rodgers with a stacked team in his prime, then went on the road to a very tough 49ers team led by Harbaugh's break out team, and then beat one of the stronger Pats teams who sported a great O-line, Gronk and Hernandez in a unique two tight end set along with Wes Welker at his best and Dion Branch who came back to have a decent season. Overall that's two of the best playoff runs I have ever seen a QB put together to go 8-0. I also think that Eli had some good years in the regular season and from 2005-2012 never had a losing season. Eli's career record from 2005 (his second season) to 2016 had a 107-85 record (a 56% winning percentage.) I think overall while his career in the regular season is very Drew Bledsoe like you take a good but not great regular season resume and combine it with 2 spectacular all time great playoff runs I think you get a HOF player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I got slack for it but I don’t think Gore is a HOFer. How many years was Gore a dominant player? The HOFer is supposed to be for the greatest players of all time. Gore and Eli aren’t close to the greatest players of all time. That well may be the case, but the voters also value longevity and a consistent level of good play over time, especially when combined with all time statistics. There is simply no denying the fact that, great or not, Gore ranks third on the all time yardage list, well ahead of many of those all time greats. He’s the other end of the Sayers spectrum, if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 While he played on some great teams he also played on some bad ones at the end. Just goes to show that you can have an elite QB and is he doesn't have the supporting cast around him it's just so hard to win. Just ask Matt Ryan the last two years. Or Aaron Rodgers 2017, 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Yes he will get in. No he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. I also don't think Kurt Warner should be in the HOF. But if they put in Warner they will put in Eli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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