Captain Caveman Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:58 PM, MAJBobby said: So they’re gonna sign Fitzy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: So they’re gonna sign Fitzy? They probably should, will teach Baker how to be a Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) On 1/12/2020 at 12:31 PM, NoSaint said: not meant as a comment on Daboll but continuity tends to be about as good as the quality of the person you are keeping around. It’s great when you have a good fit, terrible when out of fear of change Exactly. It’s like staying with an awful person in a relationship because you don’t want to start over. Daboll has been a bottom 10 OC his whole nfl career. I think he knows a ton about football but the results are the results. But I get why you keep him but you could do so much better. and thank god a white guy finally got a break for a head coaching job. Edited January 13, 2020 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:28 PM, TheFunPolice said: McDaniels might never get another shot as HC As Brady declines or leaves altogether his star will only fade He screwed up with what he did to Indianapolis He is the heir apparent to Bill B. Then we will se what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 What GM candidate with other options takes this job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Did you see the list of demands Stefanski agreed to? This is not going to go well. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/kevin-stefanski-agreed-to-certain-specific-terms-that-limit-his-authority/#comments Quote As explained by Steve Doerschuk of the Canton Repository, new Browns coach Kevin Stefanski showed during his interview a willingness to yield to certain expectations of part-time chief strategy office Paul DePodesta, including having someone from the analytics group wearing a headset and having access to the coaching staff on game days. Stefanski also agreed to owner Jimmy Haslam’s desire to engage in hours-long meetings with his head coach the day after games. Dustin Fox of 92.3 The Fan in Cleveland added that the front office expects the head coach to “turn in game plans to the owner and analytics department by Friday, and to attend an end-of-week analytics meeting to discuss their plan.” 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, H2o said: Did you see the list of demands Stefanski agreed to? This is not going to go well. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/kevin-stefanski-agreed-to-certain-specific-terms-that-limit-his-authority/#comments ...hours long meetings with Flying Jimmy?........must think he's Jurrah or Boy Danny Snyder.......sign a five year deal, get canned in two and have 3 YEARS PAID VACATION.....he's already paying out >$50 mil to those he has "assisted with their departure".......gonna have to steal some more rebate checks...SMH.......... Edited January 13, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, H2o said: Did you see the list of demands Stefanski agreed to? This is not going to go well. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/kevin-stefanski-agreed-to-certain-specific-terms-that-limit-his-authority/#comments So, How many other teams in the NFL require this of their HC? Are there any? This seems like a plan almost guaranteed to end in disaster. Poor Brown's fans... They deserve better! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DefenseWins Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Here's the latest from Pro Football Talk... And here is Dan Patrick's take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:08 PM, StHustle said: DAMN! Our only hope for Daboll to be gone. I hope he improves his play calling and personal usage or we will be one and done again next year. Puzzles me how so many fans would have made better game day decisions than him. He must learn Josh Allen isnt ever going to be a top passer. You must have a strong run game and USE IT with JA at the helm. I believe in McD and think he is well aware and will have Daboll on a short leash next season. It is such a surprise that teams are not beating down your door to interview you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 11:11 AM, Steptide said: Browns fans pretty angry about this hire Say more - why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Say more - why? Just judging by the comments on Twitter from Browns fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 (edited) Edited January 14, 2020 by chongli 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFan20 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 The unfortunate reality that Haslam/Browns need to realize is that analytics in the NFL is a mixed bag. This isn’t baseball where you play 162 games with hitters getting 600 plate appearances and pitchers pitching 100-200 innings. There is a legit sample size there that you can work with. NFL Football? It’s 16 games with a ton of variables. let’s take a look at when to go for the two point conversion for example. Coaches cite going with what the chart says as if a conversion is a coin flip (league average). The reality is if Luke Falk and the Jets are attempting a two pt conversion against the Pats in New England they are going to convert far less than half of the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:57 PM, stuvian said: So BB prevented McDaniel from interviewing for the Browns job. 2nd year in a row the Pats have prevented him from leaving. If he isn't made HC there will be some fallout. I assume this is to get Brady resigned Um, McDaniel interviewed last Friday. He spent like 7 hrs in the facility 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Um, McDaniel interviewed last Friday. He spent like 7 hrs in the facility Seven hours explaining to them that the P*ts cheating method to win cannot work in Cleveland despite method developed when Billicheat was coaching for the Browns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I wonder if Cleveland was insisting on the same kind of "reporting requirements" for McDaniel as they apparently insisted on from Stefanski. If so I wouldn't blame him for not taking the job if it was offered under those terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Um, McDaniel interviewed last Friday. He spent like 7 hrs in the facility Yeah I read that. Supposedly the job was his but he wanted the higher ups cleared out and not involved. After seeing the list mentioned on this page for stefanski I can see why McDaniels don’t want that job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, H2o said: Did you see the list of demands Stefanski agreed to? This is not going to go well. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/kevin-stefanski-agreed-to-certain-specific-terms-that-limit-his-authority/#comments When will Haslam learn? How can you be this clueless? It’s like he enjoys being an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, DefenseWins said: Here's the latest from Pro Football Talk... And here is Dan Patrick's take... Yeah football is not baseball. Not even close. Athleticism, Character and temperament are major factors in football. You can’t put a number on character and temperament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 14 hours ago, Limeaid said: It is such a surprise that teams are not beating down your door to interview you. Are you a Daboll backer? He consistently abandoned the run when it was working, kept using Gore even when it became evident he hit a wall and Singletary should have gotten the lion's share, as well as other questionable play calling and personnel decisions. Yes he had great moments and showed he can get creative and make good decisions but overall very inconsistent. Did you not see these as serious issues or just hoping he changes next year? I see many people clamoring for continuity but continuity just for continuity's sake can be counterproductive. If he doesn't clean up his mistakes next year and is replaced, how does the extra year with him help Josh? You simply have ZERO chance to win a Superbowl with how Daboll ran the offense and we as Bills fans need to be aiming our sights towards that and no longer be simply satisfied with making the playoffs and being one and done or even two and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, StHustle said: Are you a Daboll backer? He consistently abandoned the run when it was working, kept using Gore even when it became evident he hit a wall and Singletary should have gotten the lion's share, as well as other questionable play calling and personnel decisions. Yes he had great moments and showed he can get creative and make good decisions but overall very inconsistent. Did you not see these as serious issues or just hoping he changes next year? I see many people clamoring for continuity but continuity just for continuity's sake can be counterproductive. If he doesn't clean up his mistakes next year and is replaced, how does the extra year with him help Josh? You simply have ZERO chance to win a Superbowl with how Daboll ran the offense and we as Bills fans need to be aiming our sights towards that and no longer be simply satisfied with making the playoffs and being one and done or even two and done. I have said multiple times that since the Pegulas are very lax with their money he should be signing senior Offense and Defense consultants to be his sounding boards to tell him when something does not look right. His defense is too focused on how he would design it and I do not think he can judge offenses well. I am sure there are coaches who still watch game and are retired unable to work the sometimes 80+ hour work weeks but would be good to have reviewing game plans and looking at opposition film. But I consider any fan who thinks he is more qualified than almost any coach, Ronnie Jones not included, is a joke and slightly idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: I have said multiple times that since the Pegulas are very lax with their money he should be signing senior Offense and Defense consultants to be his sounding boards to tell him when something does not look right. His defense is too focused on how he would design it and I do not think he can judge offenses well. I am sure there are coaches who still watch game and are retired unable to work the sometimes 80+ hour work weeks but would be good to have reviewing game plans and looking at opposition film. But I consider any fan who thinks he is more qualified than almost any coach, Ronnie Jones not included, is a joke and slightly idiotic. Can we also hire a guy to handle clock management during games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Limeaid said: But I consider any fan who thinks he is more qualified than almost any coach, Ronnie Jones not included, is a joke and slightly idiotic. I would never try to argue I am more qualified, however if I was in charge of play calling from my couch I would have kept running the ball when our running back is averaging five yards a carry and QB is playing inconsistent. Daboll sometimes inexplicably starts calling the plays as if we are down multiple possessions when that isn't the case. I would definitely argue that there are plenty of fans who know this game well enough to have made better run / pass decisions than Daboll has in a number of games. Being qualified for a job has nothing to do with recognizing the obvious like stick with what's working in a close game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 23 hours ago, H2o said: Did you see the list of demands Stefanski agreed to? This is not going to go well. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/kevin-stefanski-agreed-to-certain-specific-terms-that-limit-his-authority/#comments I’ve never heard of a head coach not discussing a game with the owner afterward. That said, the rest of it, especially the inclusion of an analytics guru on the headset during games, will not work. There’s enough chatter going on between plays as it is. That won’t work well, imo. And the idea of an analyst participating in game planning during the week is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LB48 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 12:17 PM, Dopey said: Welcome back, Daboll. Ok Beane, bring in a couple more playmakers and we're good. Agree. Josh is just in kindergarten right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 It took a bit of time to officially announced because Haslam and Depodesta were reading over Stefanski's draft press conference speech and making edits 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 I don’t blame him with the way this is dragging on. I wonder if he decided during his 2nd interview that the clown suit wouldn’t fit 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t blame him with the way this is dragging on. I wonder if he decided during his 2nd interview that the clown suit wouldn’t fit I don’t blame him at all. He is supposed to be one of the most respected AGM’s in the NFL. With Haslam’s track record of soliciting advise from everyone he talks to and abruptly changing his mind on a whim + firing everyone, why would a top candidate go there until Haslam proves he’s willing to stick with a plan for more than 1-2 years? I pretty much expect the Browns to be perpetually starting over again every 2 years until they prove otherwise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 25, 2020 Author Share Posted January 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I don’t blame him at all. He is supposed to be one of the most respected AGM’s in the NFL. With Haslam’s track record of soliciting advise from everyone he talks to and abruptly changing his mind on a whim + firing everyone, why would a top candidate go there until Haslam proves he’s willing to stick with a plan for more than 1-2 years? I pretty much expect the Browns to be perpetually starting over again every 2 years until they prove otherwise. Yep, I think he took the interview(S) out of respect for Stefanski but knows he will have better options 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 Maybe he didn't like the idea of submitting his off-season plans to the analytics committee for revision and approval Depodesta even offered to come into work once a month to sign off! What a disaster the Browns are.... I wouldn't be surprised if Baker was chair of the group that approves the coaches game plans LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 23 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t blame him with the way this is dragging on. I wonder if he decided during his 2nd interview that the clown suit wouldn’t fit I'm starting to wonder if, instead of Stefanski being the genius choice for the job, he's the only one that agreed to all the directives and restrictions on how he'd operate. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 1/12/2020 at 7:41 PM, YoloinOhio said: They went from a first time HC with very little OC or play calling experience ... to a first time HC with very little OC or play calling experience. But at least this one looks a little more put together than Freddie. Instead of a ‘Pittsburgh Started It’ t-shirt, Stefanski would have a ‘Talk to the Team Attorneys’ t-shirt. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 2 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: With Haslam’s track record of soliciting advise from everyone he talks to and abruptly changing his mind on a whim + firing everyone, why would a top candidate go there... I still think it’s the monthly $25 gas card, and free coffees anytime at any Flying J. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Instead of a ‘Pittsburgh Started It’ t-shirt, Stefanski would have a ‘Talk to the Team Attorneys’ t-shirt. ? Oh, that's perfect, PERFECT!!!! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I'm starting to wonder if, instead of Stefanski being the genius choice for the job, he's the only one that agreed to all the directives and restrictions on how he'd operate. Only starting to think....? I am way ahead of you there then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Pegula ownership>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Haslam ownership 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, JoeF said: Pegula ownership>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Haslam ownership Donald Sterling may have been the only owner worse than Haslam, and Sterling was (deservedly) forced to go away. I feel bad for Browns fans, everyone deserves better than this. Is it 7 HC’s since 2012? That’s just incredible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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