Did anyone hear mike ginnitti from spotrac on wgr

[zevo]

Some interesting analysis on what players like Phillips and Milano would be worth....the most interesting thing was he thinks Beane will look to the trade market from wr...he suggested with the Robbie Anderson/Matt ruhle connnection, that could free up dj Moore for a trade due to him going to be paid in the near future....very interesting take and I would love that...also suggested chargers might be trade target for mike Williams. 
 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/01-10-mike-ginnitti-from-spotrac-with-howard-and-jeremy

[Chicken Boo]

It would be weird, to say the least, for Ruhle to trade D.J. Moore 2 years into his rookie contract after the season he just had.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Chicken Boo

[Kirby Jackson]

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

[zevo]

3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

It would be weird, to say the least, for Ruhle to trade D.J. Moore 2 years into his rookie contract after the season he just had.

He seems to think Carolina doesn’t Love him and Robbie Anderson would replace his role.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

Completely agree. 
 

Between Beane’s apparent openness to trade for a WR and the fact we probably don’t have room for all of our draft picks, it certainly makes a ton of sense. 

Going into the offseason, assuming the loss of Phillips, Lawson(or Murphy) and Gore - We need a DT, DE, LB, RB and 1-2 WR’s.  OL being a wild card depending on what they do with Ford/Spain.  
 

At the most, thats 7 open spots with 9 draft picks and a ton of cap space. 

 

[Rc2catch]

I had my eye more on Keenan Allen and Stefon Diggs. I’m a big DJ Moore fan though. Talk about a breakout candidate what he’s done in Carolina with that quarterback play. 
I would be all for trading a pick for a proven receiver who has some years left. Keenan Allen probably does not have that many years left but he also wouldn’t cost as much as the young guys. 

[aristocrat]

Ruhle had dj Moore coming to Baylor and was pissed cause he backed out last minute. When ruhle met with media he said he finally got his guy

[zevo]

1 minute ago, aristocrat said:

Ruhle had dj Moore coming to Baylor and was pissed cause he backed out last minute. When ruhle met with media he said he finally got his guy

It’s clearly speculation but it’s the off-season for the bills and I thought it was an interesting listen...I just love the idea of trading a pick for a proven wr commodity instead of letting it ride in the draft...the window is small when you are on a cheap contract with your qb. There really isn’t much time to wait and hope you develop an X receiver. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

I’ve been seeing Kamara’s name mentioned a lot in trade rumors. Do the saints just not want to pay him? 

[Bob in STL]

He had to address WR, edge rush (lb/de), and we really need to improve our running back situation.    Singletary is the only quality back on the team.  

[thebandit27]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

They’re definitely going to make a trade. My assumption was for a pass rusher, but RB makes a lot of sense too

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I want Henry Ruggs in the draft and DJ Moore in a trade. With these two WR’s we would be set at WR for a long time. Ruggs stock is going to sky rocket after the combine, I hope that he drops to us.

Edited January 11, 2020 by Call_Of_Ktulu

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I’ve been seeing Kamara’s name mentioned a lot in trade rumors. Do the saints just not want to pay him? 

Ha ha, I think I’m the one mentioning it here :). To answer your question though, it doesn’t feel like they are going to pay him. They just gave Thomas that huge contract and now they have to pay Taysom and Brees (and maybe Bridgewater). I don’t see them as a team tying up that money in a RB. They can draft an explosive guy, even if he’s undersized and use him with Murray. Kamara wasn’t the same player without Ingram. I don’t think that the Saints can afford to spend what it will take on a 15 touch a game RB. The Bills on the other hand need playmakers and it makes some sense for them. They can spend a little extra to have a guy that’s going to hit some home runs.

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

 

 

How about OBJ with Hunt thrown in?  They were reportedly in on Hunt before.   Too much trouble?   That would clear up the need for playmakers with a couple dynamic veteran talents.    Plug Jason Peters in a RT(fwiw he played in Philly when McD was there).......then draft BPA which line up pretty nicely with longer term Bills needs.

 

What works against the Bills getting value in the trade market is not enough regime changes this offseason.    

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

How about OBJ with Hunt thrown in?  They were reportedly in on Hunt before.   Too much trouble?   That would clear up the need for playmakers with a couple dynamic veteran talents.    Plug Jason Peters in a RT(fwiw he played in Philly when McD was there).......then draft BPA which line up pretty nicely with longer term Bills needs.

 

What works against the Bills getting value in the trade market is not enough regime changes this offseason.    

If McDaniels is taking that job he’s not shopping their top tier talents. I can’t see an offensive coach taking that job and immediately trading away 2 of their top 5 guys on offense. 
 

Also not sure Peters is any kind of upgrade at this stage of his career especially if you’re asking him to switch sides. 

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

How about OBJ with Hunt thrown in?  They were reportedly in on Hunt before.   Too much trouble?   That would clear up the need for playmakers with a couple dynamic veteran talents.    Plug Jason Peters in a RT(fwiw he played in Philly when McD was there).......then draft BPA which line up pretty nicely with longer term Bills needs.

 

What works against the Bills getting value in the trade market is not enough regime changes this offseason.    

Possible you can still pick on Atlanta, Minnesota, and Jax even though no regime changes given how badly their cap management has been. I think Jax would sell Campbell for a 5th without a second thought. Same with Griffen in Min. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

How about OBJ with Hunt thrown in?  They were reportedly in on Hunt before.   Too much trouble?   That would clear up the need for playmakers with a couple dynamic veteran talents.    Plug Jason Peters in a RT(fwiw he played in Philly when McD was there).......then draft BPA which line up pretty nicely with longer term Bills needs.

 

What works against the Bills getting value in the trade market is not enough regime changes this offseason.    

Works for me!! The Bills desperately need some playmakers and the AFC is there for the taking. The window is now so this isn’t the time to get shy. These windows open and close in like 3 years. The Bills time is at the beginning of that. It’s the time that you take chances. If they work you can win a Super Bowl.

[Rc2catch]

6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Possible you can still pick on Atlanta, Minnesota, and Jax even though no regime changes given how badly their cap management has been. I think Jax would sell Campbell for a 5th without a second thought. Same with Griffen in Min. 

Thank you.. There is some genius in that statement right there. Those teams HAVE to unload some really talented players to even have cap to sign rookies. They’ll take anything they can get before cutting them and getting nothing. 

[Royale with Cheese]

44 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

Im actually expecting a WR trade.  They’re in a win now approach and a rookie WR will take a year or two to develop.

 

Get that vet now who can instantly help the offense.  I wonder if someone like Mike Evans is a possibility?

[Lurker]

34 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

I’ve been seeing Kamara’s name mentioned a lot in trade rumors. Do the saints just not want to pay him? 

 

They're up against the cap (just $4.8 million under). 

 

Without a QB signed for 2020, they have a lot of tough decisions to make...

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, zevo said:

Some interesting analysis on what players like Phillips and Milano would be worth....the most interesting thing was he thinks Beane will look to the trade market from wr...he suggested with the Robbie Anderson/Matt ruhle connnection, that could free up dj Moore for a trade due to him going to be paid in the near future....very interesting take and I would love that...also suggested chargers might be trade target for mike Williams. 
 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/01-10-mike-ginnitti-from-spotrac-with-howard-and-jeremy

 

I have mentioned Mike Williams numerous times on multiple threads.  He is the tall athletic receiver Allen needs who can high point the ball and make tough contested throws.  

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Im actually expecting a WR trade.  They’re in a win now approach and a rookie WR will take a year or two to develop.

 

Get that vet now who can instantly help the offense.  I wonder if someone like Mike Evans is a possibility?

I doubt that they let him go but I would be all over that. 

[thebandit27]

19 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Thank you.. There is some genius in that statement right there. Those teams HAVE to unload some really talented players to even have cap to sign rookies. They’ll take anything they can get before cutting them and getting nothing. 

That’s how teams like NE and Seattle have been poaching great players for peanuts year after year 

[NoSaint]

59 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

I think kamara is on the market

 

i don’t know if he’s the right fit for us with singletary/beasley already and him inching towards big dollars.

 

i wouldn’t complain (I keep saying we can overspend on luxury now) but he wouldn’t be the guy a circle as a target. Probably would go harder towards a perimeter receiver or edge rusher with that trade but not opposed.

[Penfield45]

Beane tried to trade for AB

 

not surprising he wants to move again for a WR. we need a WR in his prime here as the #1 guy. 

[NoSaint]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Works for me!! The Bills desperately need some playmakers and the AFC is there for the taking. The window is now so this isn’t the time to get shy. These windows open and close in like 3 years. The Bills time is at the beginning of that. It’s the time that you take chances. If they work you can win a Super Bowl.

between our window and the state of the AFC I’m so disappointed we didn’t get 1-2 more guys last year. If we don’t go relatively all in this year it’ll really frustrate me. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

12 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I have mentioned Mike Williams numerous times on multiple threads.  He is the tall athletic receiver Allen needs who can high point the ball and make tough contested throws.  

 

I'd take this guy all day, every day! He just coming into his own and would be a perfect fit.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I'd take this guy all day, every day! He just coming into his own and would be a perfect fit.

 

And he's still on his rookie contract.

[wppete]

Im sure Beane has at least one trade up his sleeve this year.

[Boatdrinks]

Interesting. Bills absolutely need an infusion of proven talent on offense. They should definitely draft a WR, but can rely on just waiting for that player to develop. Best to give them a limited role in 2020 while giving Allen a couple more pieces to raise the overall production. Year 3 will have a huge role in Allen’s future as the starting QB. They can’t wonder if he had enough around him to work with. 

[NoSaint]

11 minutes ago, Penfield45 said:

Beane tried to trade for AB

 

not surprising he wants to move again for a WR. we need a WR in his prime here as the #1 guy. 

It’s been interesting. He’s shown a lot of interest but the execution of that’s been spotty.

 

lost brown to the ravens for a hard line instead of just getting the deal done a year earlier with plans to add a rookie qb that could’ve helped. But spends cap on Coleman who is immediately cut.

 

 Interest in a bunch of vet stars but no luck with securing any big names but Benjamin who was a huge flop and should’ve been the one he knew best.

 

i think he wants that guy but also isn’t 100% up to giving what that guy costs in most cases. But not playing today might impact him. If we had pushed more chips in we might’ve snagged the 2 seed and had the Texans coming to buffalo today after a week off for us if we had a strong #1 WR

[DRA3196]

Now that a team nucleus is starting to be established, the offseason is beginning to hold as much entertainment value as what happens on the field.

 

 

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

Kirby, you literally took the words out of my mouth with the draft piece, although not sure on the WR trade.  You might be right.

1 hour ago, zevo said:

Some interesting analysis on what players like Phillips and Milano would be worth....the most interesting thing was he thinks Beane will look to the trade market from wr...he suggested with the Robbie Anderson/Matt ruhle connnection, that could free up dj Moore for a trade due to him going to be paid in the near future....very interesting take and I would love that...also suggested chargers might be trade target for mike Williams. 
 

https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/01-10-mike-ginnitti-from-spotrac-with-howard-and-jeremy

 

This was a great interview I missed yesterday, so thanks Zevo.

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Possible you can still pick on Atlanta, Minnesota, and Jax even though no regime changes given how badly their cap management has been. I think Jax would sell Campbell for a 5th without a second thought. Same with Griffen in Min. 

 

 

Campbell is the two birds with one stone DL option.........can help you at DE and 3T.........which alleviates loss at both positions with Shaq and Phillips.  

 

Obviously the Jags will cut Dareus because that saves them $20M and might be able to get thru the offseason with just that move........but would love to see the Bills get Campbell.    

 

Would give them another high character, leader type as well.

[GG]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Campbell is the two birds with one stone DL option.........can help you at DE and 3T.........which alleviates loss at both positions with Shaq and Phillips.  

 

Obviously the Jags will cut Dareus because that saves them $20M and might be able to get thru the offseason with just that move........but would love to see the Bills get Campbell.    

 

Would give them another high character, leader type as well.

 

But would they have the $20 needed to resign Yannick, or to even franchise him?

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I want Henry Ruggs in the draft and DJ Moore in a trade. With these two WR’s we would be set at WR for a long time. Ruggs stock is going to sky rocket after the combine, I hope that he drops to us.

If we spend a first on a WR and trade for another ONE of them better be over 6 feet tall.  

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If we spend a first on a WR and trade for another ONE of them better be over 6 feet tall.  

he is 6 foot, what is 1 more inch really???

[Hapless Bills Fan]

52 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

 

I have mentioned Mike Williams numerous times on multiple threads.  He is the tall athletic receiver Allen needs who can high point the ball and make tough contested throws.  

 

I can’t describe how I would react to that but why would he be available?

[eball]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think a WR trade is possible. I think that the Bills are going to trade this year’s 2nd round pick. I don’t know why I feel that way but I do. OBJ and Kamara are names that have crossed my mind. i really doubt that the Bills use all 9 draft picks with the amount of young talent already on the roster. I’d imagine that they will target about 4 guys between rounds 3-6 that they will try to snag. That will go with the 1st rounder to add 5 guys in the draft (plus whatever they trade for a playmaker). I don’t think that there will be a ton of roster turnover next year. It will be about quality, not quantity. 

 

I hope you're right.  This team needs 1-2 more legitimate playmakers at the WR position -- an "always there" bailout option for Josh and more depth.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

If McDaniels is taking that job he’s not shopping their top tier talents. I can’t see an offensive coach taking that job and immediately trading away 2 of their top 5 guys on offense. 
 

Also not sure Peters is any kind of upgrade at this stage of his career especially if you’re asking him to switch sides. 

 

 

First offseason with Denver McDaniels stunned the NFL by trading the young franchise QB away..........next out was superstar WR Brandon Marshall.     And since OBJ was reportedly imploring opponents to trade for him during the season because he wanted out of that organization I don't think it's a lock that he's back,  regardless of the choice of HC. 

 

And if you aren't sure if Peters is an upgrade at RT.........put your mind at ease.  He was still a top 10 LT in the NFL this season........just not that many teams in the market for a rental like the Bills would be.