transplantbillsfan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Remember this one? Did anyone else just completely forget we even had Zay Jones on our team this year? Quite a few dismissed Williams as a joke in favor of Jones, the "proven" NFL commodity. Well, to those people, you can argue that Zay had more receptions and more yards than D'haquille did. So here's the question: who has the better NFL career from here on out, Duke or Zay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I said I wasn't sure if Duke was the answer but I thought we had enough to know Zay probably wasn't. Always thought @Alphadawg7 took too much heat for that thread. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Ooh lamp. Ooh lamp. Dude, stop it already. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I said I wasn't sure if Duke was the answer but I thought we had enough to know Zay probably wasn't. Always thought @Alphadawg7 took too much heat for that thread. Correct on both counts. @Alphadawg7 was right in his assessment. In three years (36 games) in Buffalo, Jones caught 90 passes on 194 targets (46%) for 1037 yards, 9 TDs, and 11.5 Y/R. This year, before he left, he caught 39% of the passes in which he was targeted. By contrast, Brown and Beasley both caught 63% of the passes in which they were targeted. There was enough to see he wasn't working out in Buffalo. I like Jones and I hope he does well in his career. In 10 games with the Raiders, he caught 20 passes on 27 Targets (74%) for 147 yards, 0 TDs, and 7.4 Y/R. His catch % was better; however, he played in a much more pass efficient (re completion %) offense and, on average, ran much shorter routes. Williams only played in four games during the regular season this year. He caught 12 passes on 19 targets (63%) for 166 yards, 1 TD, and 13.8 Y/R. He's physical, with good hands, and (the endzone pass we all debated this past week not withstanding) can make difficult/contested catches. I hope he is on this team next year. I believe there were glimpses this year of what he can do. I think he could play an important role, particularly if the Bills can somehow find a big, #1 receiver to play opposite Brown. I actually think Williams could be really productive out of the slot and in 4WR sets in that situation. I don't know which one will have a better career. I wish Jones well; however, I only care about what kind of career Williams has, as long as he is a Buffalo Bill. Edited January 11, 2020 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Didn’t vote, but I appreciate the opportunity to once again SLAM everyone who thought they were so righteous to rag on @Alphadawg7 for his thread about the East Carolina Conundrum. One of our darker pages in history.. He. Was. Right. to the OP, one is a basket case, the other a non-starting, 7 year WR journeyman. It still a tie. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I would say, Duke has a better future than Jones. Jones is what he is, an acceptable #5 receiver who can do the easy stuff and is a decent blocker, but don't expect anything big. Duke is bigger, stronger, maybe slower, but has better hands and physicality. His blocking is equal, but he will make tough catches Jones can't. He brings more to a team going forward. If I'm a GM, I take Duke over Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Dopey said: Ooh lamp. Ooh lamp. Dude, stop it already. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Didn’t vote, but I appreciate the opportunity to once again SLAM everyone who thought they were so righteous to rag on @Alphadawg7 for his thread about the East Carolina Conundrum. One of our darker pages in history.. He. Was. Right. to the OP, one is a basket case, the other a non-starting, 7 year WR journeyman. It still a tie. You are being much too kind. It's a tie of borderline NFL caliber WRs, neither one of whom is good enough to be the third or fourth WR on a team with serious playoff prospects. Not having better WRs than Jones or Williams to use with Beasley and Brown is a significant reason for the Bills being one and done in the playoffs this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Yes, but Zay Jones netted us a 5th round pick in 2021. So he will be helping us in 2 years. As much as I like Duke Im not sure if he affects the team positivin 2021. Also, Duuuuuuuuke sounds cooler then Zaaaaaay. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) I will never make it to September Edited January 11, 2020 by HOUSE 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Neither are good enough to make an NFL Team with a strong receiving group. Both are fringe players. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I’m thinking ya can tell the zay supporters in this thread.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Remember this one? Did anyone else just completely forget we even had Zay Jones on our team this year? Quite a few dismissed Williams as a joke in favor of Jones, the "proven" NFL commodity. Well, to those people, you can argue that Zay had more receptions and more yards than D'haquille did. So here's the question: who has the better NFL career from here on out, Duke or Zay? another LAMP just to flex that you were right about Duke (who is as marginal a wideout as you can get.) there goes that sliver of respect i had for you. I’ll meet you in Canton for Joshie’s induction. Gonna get that first MVP this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Remember this one? Did anyone else just completely forget we even had Zay Jones on our team this year? Quite a few dismissed Williams as a joke in favor of Jones, the "proven" NFL commodity. Well, to those people, you can argue that Zay had more receptions and more yards than D'haquille did. So here's the question: who has the better NFL career from here on out, Duke or Zay? Well, since you're bringing up your own old thread, can we acknowledge that your quoted post asserts that Duke Williams would not clear waivers. Not only did he clear waivers, he spent 4 weeks on the practice squad. *crickets* 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 A Duke vs Zay debate. I wish I could say this is as bad as it will get this off-season but I know I’d be wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIDE LEFT Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I love our coaching staff but was puzzled and disappointed in their early decision to go with Jones and give him so many snaps. The only NFL WR level quality he has is his blocking. He cannot separate, average to below average hands, unable to make the tough/contested catch. His absolute worst quality was coming up very small in big situations. Starting with his drop of a winning TD pass in rookie year, to his last game v Pats where he did not go for the ball. Many interpreted the latter as lack of hustle; it was not. It was a big moment in a big game and he did NOT WANT the ball. Zay has reached his ceiling, and it isn’t very high. Duke I believe has much more potential, let’s see what the coming year brings. Duke a rookie this year, Jones was in year 3. Big difference when comparing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, fansince88 said: Yes, but Zay Jones netted us a 5th round pick in 2021. So he will be helping us in 2 years. As much as I like Duke Im not sure if he affects the team positivin 2021. Also, Duuuuuuuuke sounds cooler then Zaaaaaay. As a second round pick, Zay was a wiff........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 1 hour ago, WIDE LEFT said: I love our coaching staff but was puzzled and disappointed in their early decision to go with Jones and give him so many snaps. The only NFL WR level quality he has is his blocking. He cannot separate, average to below average hands, unable to make the tough/contested catch. His absolute worst quality was coming up very small in big situations. Starting with his drop of a winning TD pass in rookie year, to his last game v Pats where he did not go for the ball. Many interpreted the latter as lack of hustle; it was not. It was a big moment in a big game and he did NOT WANT the ball. Zay has reached his ceiling, and it isn’t very high. Duke I believe has much more potential, let’s see what the coming year brings. Duke a rookie this year, Jones was in year 3. Big difference when comparing Wow! Comparing the 2 by saying Duke is a rookie is a stretch. You're talking about a "rookie" who'll be 27 yrs old before the next season starts. Think about that for a second. If he hasn't reached his potential yet... If you watched the playoff game, you could clearly see Duke got no separation, all game long. That's why his catches are contested. His only easy catch was when he ran a quick slant with the db 8 yds off the los. When he was pressed, he was never open. We don't need a wr who catches SOME contested passes cuz he can't get open. We can and should do better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 11, 2020 Author Share Posted January 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, since you're bringing up your own old thread, can we acknowledge that your quoted post asserts that Duke Williams would not clear waivers. Not only did he clear waivers, he spent 4 weeks on the practice squad. *crickets* 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 hours ago, bigK14094 said: As a second round pick, Zay was a wiff........ Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 12 hours ago, CSBill said: I would say, Duke has a better future than Jones. Jones is what he is, an acceptable #5 receiver who can do the easy stuff and is a decent blocker, but don't expect anything big. Duke is bigger, stronger, maybe slower, but has better hands and physicality. His blocking is equal, but he will make tough catches Jones can't. He brings more to a team going forward. If I'm a GM, I take Duke over Zay. Yes on all counts. Duke will make this team next year even if it's as the last wr. We saw such a small sample size of what he's capable of. Players like Jones, Foster, McKenzie and Roberts got all his playing time and targets. I want to see our wr room get bigger, taller. No more smurfs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Dopey said: Ooh lamp. Ooh lamp. Dude, stop it already. Technically it’s a LATP Edited January 11, 2020 by Over 29 years of fanhood Look at them post (Alpha) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 13 hours ago, Dopey said: Ooh lamp. Ooh lamp. Dude, stop it already. Somebody needs a hug. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 10 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: another LAMP just to flex that you were right about Duke (who is as marginal a wideout as you can get.) there goes that sliver of respect i had for you. I’ll meet you in Canton for Joshie’s induction. Gonna get that first MVP this year! Whew I hope Transplant isn’t crushed by this??? SMH.... Thank goodness nobody cares if you respect them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Wow a Duke thread. Great. I love it. New. Exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Dopey said: Wow! Comparing the 2 by saying Duke is a rookie is a stretch. You're talking about a "rookie" who'll be 27 yrs old before the next season starts. Think about that for a second. If he hasn't reached his potential yet... If you watched the playoff game, you could clearly see Duke got no separation, all game long. That's why his catches are contested. His only easy catch was when he ran a quick slant with the db 8 yds off the los. When he was pressed, he was never open. We don't need a wr who catches SOME contested passes cuz he can't get open. We can and should do better. Jim Kelly played how many years in the USFL before he came here? It took him a couple years before he was the great Qb he became. Duke didn’t get enough playing time this year to grow, if he works hard this off season he may have a chance to play next year depending on what offseason moves we make. The whole he can’t get open is BS you don’t get 10 looks in a play off game if your never open so we can stop that exaggeration right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 6 minutes ago, Codyny13 said: Wow a Duke thread. Great. I love it. New. Exciting. Can we make them all about Duke so there is no need to have posters say "Yet another Duke thread.". Reminds me what other teams fans were saying when Bills returned for 3rd and 4th Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Meatloaf63 said: Jim Kelly played how many years in the USFL before he came here? It took him a couple years before he was the great Qb he became. Duke didn’t get enough playing time this year to grow, if he works hard this off season he may have a chance to play next year depending on what offseason moves we make. The whole he can’t get open is BS you don’t get 10 looks in a play off game if your never open so we can stop that exaggeration right now... He wasn't getting open. No exaggeration. Only 1 catch wasn't a contested catch. 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Somebody needs a hug. Yep, the person who started this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 8:09 AM, fansince88 said: Yes, but Zay Jones netted us a 5th round pick in 2021. So he will be helping us in 2 years. As much as I like Duke Im not sure if he affects the team positivin 2021. Also, Duuuuuuuuke sounds cooler then Zaaaaaay. Seriously??? Jones cost the Bills a second round pick plus the other pick(s) they used to move up to draft him in 2017, so crowing about getting a Day 3 pick in the 2021 draft for him is like bragging about winning $100 in the lottery ... while ignoring that you spent $2000 buying tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, SoTier said: Seriously??? Jones cost the Bills a second round pick plus the other pick(s) they used to move up to draft him in 2017, so crowing about getting a Day 3 pick in the 2021 draft for him is like bragging about winning $100 in the lottery ... while ignoring that you spent $2000 buying tickets. Seriously? You need to turn on your sarcasm sensor.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Should have drafted JuJu Smith-Schuster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 3 hours ago, SoTier said: Seriously??? Jones cost the Bills a second round pick plus the other pick(s) they used to move up to draft him in 2017, so crowing about getting a Day 3 pick in the 2021 draft for him is like bragging about winning $100 in the lottery ... while ignoring that you spent $2000 buying tickets. You need to chill. That and a new digital sarcasm meter would work great for ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 8:56 AM, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, since you're bringing up your own old thread, can we acknowledge that your quoted post asserts that Duke Williams would not clear waivers. Not only did he clear waivers, he spent 4 weeks on the practice squad. *crickets* no worries. i have saved everyone on this site from transplants predictions for a period of 1 year. your welcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Should have drafted JuJu Smith-Schuster In hind site, I say we should have drafted Tom Brady in the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Dopey said: In hind site, I say we should have drafted Tom Brady in the 1st round. A more reasonable comparison would be - we should have drafted Tom Brady instead of Leif Larson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 6:52 PM, Meatloaf63 said: Jim Kelly played how many years in the USFL before he came here? It took him a couple years before he was the great Qb he became. Duke didn’t get enough playing time this year to grow, if he works hard this off season he may have a chance to play next year depending on what offseason moves we make. The whole he can’t get open is BS you don’t get 10 looks in a play off game if your never open so we can stop that exaggeration right now... I can admit I was wrong on Zay, but nothing I saw during the year makes me think I was wrong on Duke. Only game he had that was even decent was the week 17 preseason game. Besides that he played in 3 games in October that netted 6 catches and games of 29, 23 & 6 yards(In that order). To be fair, 2 of those 10 looks were purposely overthrown passes at the end of the half to take a few seconds of the clock. He didn't look "open" on most of the other 8 looks and dropped contested passes that were the exact reason he was in there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill963 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 7:44 AM, SlimShady'sGhost said: This On 1/11/2020 at 6:49 PM, Codyny13 said: Wow a Duke thread. Great. I love it. New. Exciting. Feel free NOT to contribute. Pretty easy solution to your frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I don't think either of them will have much of a career, to be honest. So it's like splitting hairs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I can admit I was wrong on Zay, but nothing I saw during the year makes me think I was wrong on Duke. Only game he had that was even decent was the week 17 preseason game. Besides that he played in 3 games in October that netted 6 catches and games of 29, 23 & 6 yards(In that order). To be fair, 2 of those 10 looks were purposely overthrown passes at the end of the half to take a few seconds of the clock. He didn't look "open" on most of the other 8 looks and dropped contested passes that were the exact reason he was in there in the first place. We’ll see if he gets a chance next year. He definitely needs to work hard this off season, maybe he has figured that out. He very well may not be good enough to make the team again. If so, that would be a good thing I would think as it would hopefully mean we upgraded the the receivers we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Just now, Meatloaf63 said: We’ll see if he gets a chance next year. He definitely needs to work hard this off season, maybe he has figured that out. He very well may not be good enough to make the team again. If so, that would be a good thing I would think as it would hopefully mean we upgraded the the receivers we had. We are somewhat weak at the TE position. He should spend the offseason learning the position and adding 25 pounds or so. The only way I see him having any real chance at having an impact as an NFL player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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