bkep32 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Motor26 said: Just sign Bulaga. Don’t care the cost at least he’s reliable. wrong...bulaga is injury prone and cannot stay on the field...he is done and washed up, his better days are behind him. I followed him since college years he was good but injuries have added up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: This is a bit of a response to the optimist thread that was closed and probably shouldn’t have been. People have a right o express themselves ..., Sobering thoughts for Bills pessimists 1) Josh Allen threw for more yards and ran for more yards ... oh yeah and caught more passes than Deshaun Watson who was playing in his second playoff game. 2) The Bills offense had 2 returning starters from last year 3) the Bills won 10 games and barely lost to the Ravens, and Pats twice .. and didn’t play the last game.,if they needed it are you delusional enough to think the Jets who barely beat our backups would have beaten our starters. 4) We lose almost nobody next year to Free agency 5) we have gobs of cash to spend in free agency to get better come off the ledge ... better days are ahead They also don't appear to have the cupcake schedule they had this year....... And they barely beat the Jets the 1st game where they needed the Jets kicker to not be able to make a kick, there's a good chance the Jets could have squeaked out a win in the last week too. Who cares if they 'almost' beat the Ravens and Pats, the end result was still the same, they were all losses.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Next season’s schedule is brutal. This was the year to take advantage. This game was ours. Completely blown and very concerning. McDermott is great at getting these guys ready through the week. On game day he is terrible. The weekly inactives are inexcusable. Clock management is the worst I have ever seen. When to challenge or not is embarrassing. No adjustments and it’s just play for a fg as soon as you cross the 50. I love the way this gets ready to play week to week. But within the game itself, I hate the coaching. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Outcoached by Bill OBrien is the most concerning element of this loss imo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, bkep32 said: wrong...bulaga is injury prone and cannot stay on the field...he is done and washed up, his better days are behind him. I followed him since college years he was good but injuries have added up. He is only turning 30 and has only has one "injury prone" season in the last five years. He also just had a much better season than your young right tackle, who should be playing guard. I'd give Bulaga a two to three year contract in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: The entire 3 hour pregame on espn and nfln was a JJFest. I knew then the odds of us winning were slim. Especially seeing him all mic ed up. The NFL is so choreographed. I was proud of him for using both words in his vocabulary: "Let's" and "go" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden*Wheels Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Outcoached by Bill OBrien is the most concerning element of this loss imo He tried to give it to us too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1) Exciting talented QB did some awesome things, but played some plays like a rookie. 2) Gore had nothing except that one run, while Singletary had positive plays over and over. No idea why we were empty backfield in overtime. Their defense should have been more tired. Singletary runs and play action to Beasley. 3) In field goal range two sacks instead of runs was bad Playcalling and horrible execution. 4) Felt of game on the third down...is there a one second buffer because all I saw was double zeros before they converted. 5) Nice to be relevant again, but this game should obviously been closed out and we should have been playing next week. The ones who screwed up that chance are also the ones who made the success possible, so I want to play better and smarter, rather than clean house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Next season’s schedule is brutal. This was the year to take advantage. This game was ours. Completely blown and very concerning. McDermott is great at getting these guys ready through the week. On game day he is terrible. The weekly inactives are inexcusable. Clock management is the worst I have ever seen. When to challenge or not is embarrassing. No adjustments and it’s just play for a fg as soon as you cross the 50. I love the way this gets ready to play week to week. But within the game itself, I hate the coaching. This is spot on. Our coaching staff is amazing with everything outside of game day. Our team is so well coached that we are able to beat lesser opponents on a frequent basis. We have our problems completing with equal/better opponents when the game is decided during crucial moments on game day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BillsFanSD said: That's going to be the play that I'll always remember about this game. As it was developing, I thought it was going to be a game-winner. And it should have been. That and the other underrated bad play that isn't getting mention is Edmunds and one of the safeties having Watson in their mitts at the 5 yard line of the 2 point conversion and letting him reach the pylon. Maybe game doesn't go to OT without that. There were lots of good plays and lots of bad plays. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Motor26 said: Gonna be a tough task to get back to the playoffs next year based off the schedule. They pissed away their best chance of winning a playoff game in 20 years. This. You can never count on next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Zevon Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 A few things I haven't seen mentioned in any threads... Phillips sucked today Lawson was invisible Neal's dropped INT Hyde's missed tackle in OT The bomb to Felton WTF 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Looking at the last month of games, the Bills limped into the playoffs, never scored more than 17 pts and only beat the Steelers. Houston beat the Pats and Titans and scored around 24 pts/game in that stretch. At the risk of injury, I think (in hindsight) it was a poor decision playing to not win in NE and sitting starters week 17. This team was rolling end of November but we took our foot off the gas, especially once we clinched. Hard to make a playoff run not coming in hot. We are a better team than Houston. Our coaches are decent schemers but terrible at in-game management and adjustments. The team reflects that in their “chicken with head cut off” approach during crunch time. Spontaneity is lost on this team. I hope this experience hardens them, and creates the poise and discipline necessary to make the next steps in the coming season(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) I still can’t believe they lost this game. What a brutally painful loss. Im usually pretty good at finding the silver lining but I’m having a tough time pulling much positive from this game (outside of the young players getting some playoff experience). I’m still feeling good about the team’s future, but this was a painful loss. I think part of what makes this loss so painful is that it erases some of the trust this team had earned with the fans (or at least me), as far as “Buffalo Bills fan syndrome” or whatever you want to call it (expecting them to choke, etc). I felt like maybe the Bills had finally turned the page on all the years of finding inventive new ways to choke/collapse and lose games. But this loss makes it tougher to believe that’s true. I think they just just need to stay the course though. There’s no reason for any drastic changes IMO. Bring back the coaching staff (including Daboll), add some free agents to continue filling holes + adding depth. Have another good draft, etc. I still think this team is headed in the right direction. But this loss is going to sting for a while, I think. Hopefully the players + coaches will all learn and grow from this and be driven to attack the offseason just that much harder now. Hopefully this loss will ultimately turn into something positive... ?♂️ Edited January 5, 2020 by BillsFan4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Golden*Wheels said: He tried to give it to us too. True, although that is expected with OBrien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 What a ride. (That was sarcasm.) Looking forward to next year, and I say this in earnest. See you all on draft night and the day after! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: Looking at the last month of games, the Bills limped into the playoffs, never scored more than 17 pts and only beat the Steelers. Houston beat the Pats and Titans and scored around 24 pts/game in that stretch. At the risk of injury, I think (in hindsight) it was a poor decision playing to not win in NE and sitting starters week 17. This team was rolling end of November but we took our foot off the gas, especially once we clinched. Hard to make a playoff run not coming in hot. We are a better team than Houston. Our coaches are decent schemers but terrible at in-game management and adjustments. The team reflects that in their “chicken with head cut off” approach during crunch time. Spontaneity is lost on this team. I hope this experience hardens them, and creates the poise and discipline necessary to make the next steps in the coming season(s). Who said they were playing not to win against the Pats? This was a team with a bad offence that was able to get into the playoffs because of an easy schedule and there being alot of bad/mediocre teams in the league this year. They couldn't beat the good teams and needed alot of help and luck to squeak out wins in games against bad teams. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I still can’t believe they lost this game. What a brutally painful loss. Im usually pretty good at finding the silver lining but I’m having a tough time pulling much positive from this game (outside of the young players getting some playoff experience). I think part of what makes this loss so painful is that it erases some of the trust this team had earned with the fans (or at least me), as far as “Buffalo Bills fan syndrome” or whatever you want to call it (expecting them to choke, etc). I felt like maybe the Bills had finally turned the page on all the years of finding inventive new ways to choke/collapse and lose games. But this loss makes it tougher to believe that’s true. I think they just just need to stay the course though. There’s no reason for any drastic changes IMO. Bring back the coaching staff (including Daboll), add some free agents to continue filling holes + adding depth. Have another good draft, etc. I still think this team is headed in the right direction. But this loss is going to sting for a while, I think. Hopefully the players + coaches will all learn and grow from this and be driven to attack the offseason just that much harder now. Hopefully this loss will ultimately turn into something positive... ?♂️ Well said! Id rather lose the game playing a fashion that shows we’re a year away, than be the better team and have our defense let us down, turtle up in conservative playcalling (again) and have a series of bad breaks lead to a loss. I was ok being a year away. I’m struggling with being the better team that blew a 16 point lead in the 2nd half. Edited January 5, 2020 by SCBills 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Next season’s schedule is brutal. This was the year to take advantage. This game was ours. Completely blown and very concerning. McDermott is great at getting these guys ready through the week. On game day he is terrible. The weekly inactives are inexcusable. Clock management is the worst I have ever seen. When to challenge or not is embarrassing. No adjustments and it’s just play for a fg as soon as you cross the 50. I love the way this gets ready to play week to week. But within the game itself, I hate the coaching. Very frustrating once we cross midfield. We get there with ease and then immediately start going backwards with Gore runs, holds, Offside, or dumb Allen sacks. The FG that was the goal is never a guarantee. If the goal was TD, maybe things would be different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Could we not have faked one of the earlier field goals!!!!? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: Who said they were playing not to win against the Pats? This was a team with a bad offence that was able to get into the playoffs because of an easy schedule and there being alot of bad/mediocre teams in the league this year. They couldn't beat the good teams and needed alot of help and luck to squeak out wins in games against bad teams. we only needed a decent offense....but we all know that we dont have one. we have average talent w poor coaching and a QB that so many TDBers wont admit is extremely rough.what a nightmare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He is only turning 30 and has only has one "injury prone" season in the last five years. He also just had a much better season than your young right tackle, who should be playing guard. I'd give Bulaga a two to three year contract in a heartbeat. he was good, i watch the packers every season wife is a huge fan and my best friend follows him. I am an iowa native and watched him since college...we do not want him now at his current state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Who said they were playing not to win against the Pats? This was a team with a bad offence that was able to get into the playoffs because of an easy schedule and there being alot of bad/mediocre teams in the league this year. They couldn't beat the good teams and needed alot of help and luck to squeak out wins in games against bad teams. I will never subscribe to this narrative. They deserved to be there as much as any team. They played a division winner to OT. WTH do you have to back this up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Who said they were playing not to win against the Pats? This was a team with a bad offence that was able to get into the playoffs because of an easy schedule and there being alot of bad/mediocre teams in the league this year. They couldn't beat the good teams and needed alot of help and luck to squeak out wins in games against bad teams. Perhaps “playing not to win” should be replaced with “playing conservatively and hoping to win”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: Next season’s schedule is brutal. I agree with other points, and that this year was easy, but nobody really knows what next year looks like this far ahead. Too much change I. The NFL. Nobody had the Ravens and Niners as the top teams a year ago. January Power Ranking and September actual teams are always way way different, so we will see which actual teams our 13 opponents field and play those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, mannc said: He definitely had the “deer in headlights” look in the second half. Extremely troubling. No he didn't. It may not have been pretty but he led them to the 25 yard line before the offense imploded ( a run to Gore that LOST 3 yards - really?) and then without TO's drove them to the 29 for the game tying FG. Guys having a deer in the headlights look don't lead those two drives. Did Allen get a bit rattled at the end - yes. But that is on the O-line which picked a very bad point in the game to start playing badly. In OT Allen was moving the Bills into FG range to win the game. First he converted two 3rd down plays with outstanding throws and then on a play in which he should have gained 10 - 20 yards a complete miss of a block allowed a Texan defender to put a wicked hit on Allen. I don't know what you were watching but Allen took a nasty shot to the head on that play. After that he seemed a bit wobbly. But if the Bills make that block we win the game. Edited January 5, 2020 by CincyBillsFan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Tcali said: we only needed a decent offense....but we all know that we dont have one. we have average talent w poor coaching and a QB that so many TDBers wont admit is extremely rough.what a nightmare. Is it so difficult to hand the ball to Singletary more often. Why is Josh throwing 46 passes in a game they are leading for 3 1/2 qtrs? Why is Frank Gore getting 8 rushes while Singletary gets only 13? Why is the backfield empty in ot when all they needed was a fg? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Turk71 said: Is it so difficult to hand the ball to Singletary more often. Why is Josh throwing 46 passes in a game they are leading for 3 1/2 qtrs? Why is Frank Gore getting 8 rushes while Singletary gets only 13? Why is the backfield empty in ot when all they needed was a fg? Daboll. Period. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: No he didn't. It may not have been pretty but he led them to the 25 yard line before the offense imploded ( a run to Gore that LOST 3 yards - really?) and then without TO's drove them to the 29 for the game tying FG. Guys having a deer in the headlights look don't lead those two drives. Did Allen get a bit rattled at the end - yes. But that is on the O-line which picked a very bad point in the game time to start playing badly. In OT Allen was moving the Bills into FG range to win the game. First he converted two 3rd down plays with outstanding throws and then on a play in which he should have gained 10 - 20 yards a complete miss of a block allowed a Texan defender to put a wicked hit on Allen. I don't know what you were watching but Allen took a nasty shot to the head on that play. After that he seemed a bit wobbly. But if the Bills make that block we win the game. But why did they go empty backfield in overtime when Singletary got so many positive plays after contact, and same for the back to back regulation sacks... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Is it so difficult to hand the ball to Singletary more often. Why is Josh throwing 46 passes in a game they are leading for 3 1/2 qtrs? Why is Frank Gore getting 8 rushes while Singletary gets only 13? Why is the backfield empty in ot when all they needed was a fg? well you covered the coaching part:) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Koufax said: I agree with other points, and that this year was easy, but nobody really knows what next year looks like this far ahead. Too much change I. The NFL. Nobody had the Ravens and Niners as the top teams a year ago. January Power Ranking and September actual teams are always way way different, so we will see which actual teams our 13 opponents field and play those. I almost always say the same thing and almost always agree but if you look at the travel alone, it’s tough. Also you can use basic trajectories of these teams to assume most of the good ones. The schedule will not be easy again. Making the playoffs next year would be a hell of an accomplishment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Maybe this will make some of us smile and laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Is it so difficult to hand the ball to Singletary more often. Why is Josh throwing 46 passes in a game they are leading for 3 1/2 qtrs? Why is Frank Gore getting 8 rushes while Singletary gets only 13? Why is the backfield empty in ot when all they needed was a fg? The Texans were 29th in pass defense this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Koufax said: But why did they go empty backfield in overtime when Singletary got so many positive plays after contact, and same for the back to back regulation sacks... That's a good question. But again if they block that QB sweep properly Allen likely takes the ball into FG range. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koufax Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Is it so difficult to hand the ball to Singletary more often. Why is Josh throwing 46 passes in a game they are leading for 3 1/2 qtrs? Why is Frank Gore getting 8 rushes while Singletary gets only 13? Why is the backfield empty in ot when all they needed was a fg? This is exactly my thoughts and worries. Gore got one good one and seven bad ones. Didn't get the Playcalling after the first half...something that had been a weakspot much of the season, moreso than our positional talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just gutted by this one. It hurt. I’m not mad or frustrated. I’m just sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 17 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: They also don't appear to have the cupcake schedule they had this year....... And they barely beat the Jets the 1st game where they needed the Jets kicker to not be able to make a kick, there's a good chance the Jets could have squeaked out a win in the last week too. Who cares if they 'almost' beat the Ravens and Pats, the end result was still the same, they were all losses.... They also don't appear to have the cupcake schedule they had this year....... - It is too early to tell, but yes it was a relatively easy schedule. And they barely beat the Jets the 1st game where they needed the Jets kicker to not be able to make a kick, - that is the NFL .. if John Brown gets his feet in on that one drive we have first & goal. If we hadn't gotten a phantom blocking foul on Cody Ford ... if ... you could do this all day. there's a good chance the Jets could have squeaked out a win in the last week too. - Really .. based on what? They rested their starters because it was a meaningless game. technically we were 10 - 5 with our starters. I know we should have been some number in your mind, but come on. Bill Belichick was an amazing 20 - 28 in his first three years as a head coach. Who cares if they 'almost' beat the Ravens and Pats, the end result was still the same, they were all losses.... - Teams that are growing. Would you prefer they couldn't stay on the field with them. Using your own logic there were many "one plays" in all three of those games where if the catch was made, the throw was better, the ... we would have won. If you are getting drubbed by the best teams the build has farther to go. You have the right to be a pessimist .. is is a free country, but the fact that others are optimistic as is our right as well .. and us optimists .. we are more enjoyable to be around Go Bills -- the 2020 - 2021 season is going to be great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: Who said they were playing not to win against the Pats? This was a team with a bad offence that was able to get into the playoffs because of an easy schedule and there being alot of bad/mediocre teams in the league this year. They couldn't beat the good teams and needed alot of help and luck to squeak out wins in games against bad teams. This year’s extraordinarily easy schedule won’t be repeated and the team’s success this year is directly tied to it. The team also did not have too much bad luck on the injury front. Unless the team improves considerably on the offensive side (and that would require Allen to take a significant step forward) another 10 win season will be hard to reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astb41 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 How did Tremaine not pick up that fumble and take it to the house?! I mean I get it cover the ball and take over but Oliver was trying to pick him up. There were 4 or 5 bills defenders ready to lead him into the end zone. its like this constant thought process of good enough. Hey we got the turnover that’s good enough. Hey we got to the 25 yard and can get 3 points that’s good enough. Go for the f’ing throat!!! that said I love this team, the players we’ve brought in, and the coaching staff. But we have brutal schedule next year. We needed to learn from getting to round 2, not giving it away in round 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I’ve waited a few hours to let my emotions settle. One question still burns: why the fudge did we abandon the run? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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