Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, White Linen said: We don't play prevent all that much or at least enough to mention. Obviously that 3rd and 18 was a killer but that doesn't happen often. I remember under Rex teams were getting 3rd and long more than 3rd and short it seemed. The call on 3rd and 18 was actually fine and correct. One of 4 Bills defenders swarming to the receiver must make the tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: the lone insight from ESPN’s stellar and insightful broadcast of the game was when they said the Bills went out and signed a veteran to be in each of the players’ rooms this year. I had not heard that until today. I love that idea, and think it went a long way to getting this team prepared. We can rip guys like Gore or Lee Smith, but their presence probably reaped some long-term gains for the young players. You can have those guys in the locker room but didn't need to take carries away from Singeltary for Gore when he was totally ineffective nor feature Dimarco in your 5wr sets in OT. The personnel decisions by this coaching staff are very questionable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 the bills defense played pretty well tonight but still to many missed tackles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Just now, Boatdrinks said: The call on 3rd and 18 was actually fine and correct. One of 4 Bills defenders swarming to the receiver must make the tackle. No they played soft to begin with You bring extra pressure force the short throw than rally Not rush 4 and allow a guy to catch it 10 yards downfield with a head of steam This defense played conservative and soft for the majority of the year First time since 1997 Bills didnt have a int return or fumble return for a td Soft non aggressive defense. Bend but dont break but dont win the game either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The call on 3rd and 18 was actually fine and correct. One of 4 Bills defenders swarming to the receiver must make the tackle. I agree. I was pointing out that if that's what he'd call prevent, it's not like that's a consistent occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: The call on 3rd and 18 was actually fine and correct. One of 4 Bills defenders swarming to the receiver must make the tackle. Overall, I thought they called a great game on D today. Tackling was the defenses biggest problem and was an issue that snuck up on us late in the season. Don’t get me started on the offensive coaching. That was also consistent with the rest of the season for all the wrong reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: No they played soft to begin with You bring extra pressure force the short throw than rally Not rush 4 and allow a guy to catch it 10 yards downfield with a head of steam This defense played conservative and soft for the majority of the year First time since 1997 Bills didnt have a int return or fumble return for a td Soft non aggressive defense. Bend but dont break but dont win the game either I disagree. He threw well short of the first down, and the tackle should have been made easily. Good call, bad execution of the defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: No they played soft to begin with You bring extra pressure force the short throw than rally Not rush 4 and allow a guy to catch it 10 yards downfield with a head of steam This defense played conservative and soft for the majority of the year First time since 1997 Bills didnt have a int return or fumble return for a td Soft non aggressive defense. Bend but dont break but dont win the game either Are you sure you're talking about the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: A few hours after the game and the pain of the loss has lessened... This team over-achieved this year. The defense was built first and held up its end of the bargain in almost all games, including this one. The offense was known to be a work in progress and it showed all season and in this playoff game. No, no, no. We had an easy-ass schedule and returned all but one player on defense... and Beane/McDermott were going into their third year together. In no way did we over-achieve. Qualifying for the Playoffs should be the absolute bare minimum at this point in time. Standards! 27 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not trying to be a jerk, but do you have examples? I ask because, thinking back, I don’t know where Allen really held us back from points... maybe the throw to Brown on the sideline at the 4? He threw for 264, ran for 92 and caught a TD. It’s not his fault we constantly turtle up and run Gore for 1 yard on throwaway plays in FG range. coughing up that fumble comes to mind immediately 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohninMinn. Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 When I die there will be two questions at the Pearly gates. 1) Who shot JFK.? 2) Why so hard on the Buffalo fans? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, White Linen said: I agree. I was pointing out that if that's what he'd call prevent, it's not like that's a consistent occurrence. Yeah, his concept of “ prevent” is a bit off. The Bills defense is a zone heavy scheme that takes away deep passes. It’s what they do, and I don’t expect a ton of deviation. They waited a bit too long to dial up pressure in a critical situation, but that’s not prevent defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RiotAct said: coughing up that fumble comes to mind immediately A bad play, sure, but we were punting if he holds on and just gets tackled. Edited January 5, 2020 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, RiotAct said: No, no, no. We had an easy-ass schedule and returned all but one player on defense... and Beane/McDermott were going into their third year together. In no way did we over-achieve. Qualifying for the Playoffs should be the absolute bare minimum at this point in time. Standards! coughing up that fumble comes to mind immediately Ball security in the open field is a major concern with Josh . Fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 18 minutes ago, White Linen said: I just can't believe vet posters are saying stuff like this. I'm not trying to start a fight with you bro but the 2nd year QB did way more than enough to win this game. Duke gets 2 hands on a TD pass and Brown hops when he needs to get his feet down - are 2 plays that can't happen in the playoffs and to a young QB. Puss play calling accepting FG's the moment we're in range when closing games is for the taking are his leadership's issues. I agree that the play calling in the second half was abysmal and there were a few drops (Texans had a few big drops, too, BTW), but Josh threw for under 6 YPA (almost 10 for Watson) and led the team 1 TD in 70 minutes. Other than the disastrous sacks he took in the next to last possession of regulation, I’m struggling to think of particular examples where Josh screwed up badly, but I’m still a bit traumatized by what I witnessed this afternoon. Josh didn’t make the plays that would have won the game, and Watson did. And against a mediocre defense we again failed to score 20 points. It’s just not accurate to say he did enough to win the game. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, SCBills said: A bad play, sure, but we were punting if he holds on and just gets tackled. Yes. Allen needs to subscribe to the idea that a punt isn’t a terrible thing in that situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Well, small consolation, but at least the Pats* lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: A bad play, sure, but we were punting if he holds on and just gets tackled. Because the additional 40+ yards the Texans would have needed to score makes a big difference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 32 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not trying to be a jerk, but do you have examples? I ask because, thinking back, I don’t know where Allen really held us back from points... maybe the throw to Brown on the sideline at the 4? He threw for 264, ran for 92 and caught a TD. It’s not his fault we constantly turtle up and run Gore for 1 yard on throwaway plays in FG range. I agree that Allen got little help from Daboll or McDermott, but he had numerous chances to win the game and could not get it done. He averaged less than 6 YPA, lost a fumble, and put up zero TDs after the opening drive. Against Deshawn Watson, that will get you beat every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I'm 24. This was unambiguously the best season that anyone my age or younger can honestly remember or have processed in real time. Thank you Bills. Please see and make the improvements that are obvious. My expectations for next season are raised. I want the division, and/or a playoff win. This is the first time I've ever been able to realistically set them this high. McBeane, you've done well to this point. We need that next step. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, mannc said: I agree that Allen got little help from Daboll or McDermott, but he had numerous chances to win the game and could not get it done. He averaged less than 6 YPA, lost a fumble, and put up zero TDs after the opening drive. Against Deshawn Watson, that will get you beat every time. He missed some shots to the end zone when they settled for one of their field goals. The fumble was obviously huge. Allen showed how great he can be but also how erratic. That being said not running the ball with Singletary in the 2nd half was a terrible mistake. Josh shouldn’t be throwing it 46 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalftimeAdjustment Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Next year is Allen's make or break year. Either he turns the corner in Year 3 or the rumblings will get loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, mannc said: I agree that the play calling in the second half was abysmal and there were a few drops (Texans had a few big drops, too, BTW), but Josh threw for under 6 YPA (almost 10 for Watson) and led the team 1 TD in 70 minutes. Other than the disastrous sacks he took in the next to last possession of regulation, I’m struggling to think of particular examples where Josh screwed up badly, but I’m still a bit traumatized by what I witnessed this afternoon. Josh didn’t make the plays that would have won the game, and Watson did. And against a mediocre defense we again failed to score 20 points. It’s just not accurate to say he did enough to win the game. Here's where I'll leave it. Josh is conditioned to play conservative, despite that it's against his nature and what makes him special. We were up 16 at the half and clearly momentum in our favor. It should have been at least 20-0 but our head coach is satisfied with 3 points far too much. Then a team 0-22 or something when losing by 16 or more at halftime storms back. Then we want Josh to all the sudden play hero ball going for it on 4th and 27? They put him in position to fail and when he does I'm not blaming him. The idiot McD said Josh tried to do too much. Well you put him in that spot you offensive moron. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Next year is Allen's make or break year. Either he turns the corner in Year 3 or the rumblings will get loud. I agree. Unless Josh takes a step forward next year, I don’t know how you extend him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Motor26 said: He missed some shots to the end zone when they settled for one of their field goals. The fumble was obviously huge. Allen showed how great he can be but also how erratic. That being said not running the ball with Singletary in the 2nd half was a terrible mistake. Josh shouldn’t be throwing it 46 times. Wow was it 46 times ? I know it was an OT game, but if I’d been told before the game that Allen would pass 46 times I’d be almost certain the game was a loss. Probably trailing for most of the game too, not a 16 point lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, White Linen said: Here's where I'll leave it. Josh is conditioned to play conservative, despite that it's against his nature and what makes him special. We were up 16 at the half and clearly momentum in our favor. It should have been at least 20-0 but our head coach is satisfied with 3 points far too much. Then a team 0-22 or something when losing by 16 or more at halftime storms back. Then we want Josh to all the sudden play hero ball going for it on 4th and 27? They put him in position to fail and when he does I'm not blaming him. The idiot McD said Josh tried to do too much. Well you put him in that spot you offensive moron. . Can’t argue with any of that. The complete abandonment of Singletary in the second half and especially OT was unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Wow was it 46 times ? I know it was an OT game, but if I’d been told before the game that Allen would pass 46 times I’d be almost certain the game was a loss. Probably trailing for most of the game too, not a 16 point lead. Yupp. 46 times. 26 in the 2nd half alone, with a 16 point lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, HalftimeAdjustment said: Next year is Allen's make or break year. Either he turns the corner in Year 3 or the rumblings will get loud. If Allen doesn't take a step next year, which is likely being with this HC, then McD needs to go. I just can't believe how some of you guys don't see how this HC and OC are pulling the total offense down. They are not showing themselves capable of developing a young QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 minute ago, White Linen said: If Allen doesn't take a step next year, which is likely being with this HC, then McD needs to go. I just can't believe how some of you guys don't see how this HC and OC are pulling the total offense down. They are not showing themselves capable of developing a young QB. Have to see them with a full arsenal. Not liking the tendencies of Daboll. He’s good for a splash play here and there, but too many head scratching strategies and lack of situational awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Can’t argue with any of that. The complete abandonment of Singletary in the second half and especially OT was unforgivable. They had Dimarco out there as an X receiver in overtime. I mean wow. That alone is a fireable offense. And they've done that several times before in games. Then Singletary comes in as an X and catches one for 14. They are killing this second year QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, White Linen said: If Allen doesn't take a step next year, which is likely being with this HC, then McD needs to go. I just can't believe how some of you guys don't see how this HC and OC are pulling the total offense down. They are not showing themselves capable of developing a young QB. My thoughts exactly. Josh looks so good when he’s allowed to play freely. McD needs to find someone who can scheme around Joshes skill set and give them full play calling duties for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, par73 said: He also almost threw a near six-pick or two, fumbled twice (one lost) and tossed the ball away on one of the most mind-numbing plays I've ever seen. Like I always say, it's not how many great plays you make; it's how few bad ones you make. I know fans, and even some losing coaches, are enamored with long pass completions or the great run plays, but that doesn't offset the interception or the fumble. Jimmy Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, london_bills said: Totally agree man. I just heard schopp describe these plays as 'desperate', sorry but it's the accurate word to describe what I saw on the plays. Like there's a desperation to score right there and then. Really good QBs don't make dumb plays, that's my concern. They do when they are as raw as Allen, he was the least ready of the QBs when he came out, he definitely had some had scratchers today, but he has learned from his mistakes and i believe he will from this as well. Drew Brees wasnt good his first two years but his third year finally figured it out. Allen has a ways to go but he will get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 1 hour ago, arcane said: I'm 24. This was unambiguously the best season that anyone my age or younger can honestly remember or have processed in real time. Thank you Bills. Please see and make the improvements that are obvious. My expectations for next season are raised. I want the division, and/or a playoff win. This is the first time I've ever been able to realistically set them this high. McBeane, you've done well to this point. We need that next step. You’re wise beyond your years, dude, and perhaps being unburdened by history helps brighten your perspective. For the first time in a long time the arrow is pointing up for us. Am I satisfied with how this season just ended? Hell no. But that doesn’t preclude being happy about the progress we’ve made in the last 3 years. I look forward to this off-season and seeing what additional good moves our front office makes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Tatonka68 said: JJWAtt love was sickening It was way over the top 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Turk71 said: Is it so difficult to hand the ball to Singletary more often. Why is Josh throwing 46 passes in a game they are leading for 3 1/2 qtrs? Why is Frank Gore getting 8 rushes while Singletary gets only 13? Why is the backfield empty in ot when all they needed was a fg? i cannot figure out why all of US see this and the coaching staff doesn't? during the OT, I kept saying why are we going empty backfield. It felt like the coaches did not realize we were not in a 2 minute drill? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, ticketssince61 said: i cannot figure out why all of US see this and the coaching staff doesn't? during the OT, I kept saying why are we going empty backfield. It felt like the coaches did not realize we were not in a 2 minute drill? Exactly. How does a HC say our 2nd year QB is trying to do too much in empty backfield sets? It's mind numbingly stupid. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Wild Stuff Week 1: Buffalo trailed 16-0 and won. Wild Card: Buffalo lead 16-0 and lost. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Helpmenow said: Good season, a huge learning experience Agree, I honestly didn't expect playoffs this year. Good year, undoubtedly a game we should win but this is something we can build from, and we will need to build cuz next years schedule is even harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Bad loss, but we all knew this wasn't a team that was ready to go deep in play offs or even make playoffs for that matter. If Allen can keep improving we might have something special. Still proud to be a Bill's fan, not to mention 99% of the haters out there are band Wagoners and just like to hate on the Bill's. The Bill's mafia always stays true to their team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, White Linen said: Exactly. How does a HC say our 2nd year QB is trying to do too much in empty backfield sets? It's mind numbingly stupid. It was questionable for sure, but they let Josh "be Josh." Isn't this exactly what his hardcore fans wanted? Also, there is a difference between playing smart and playing wreckless. He let the moment overcome him. Edited January 5, 2020 by TwistofFate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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