Browns interview Brian Daboll for HC; have interest in pairing with Bills Asst. GM Joe Schoen

[MAJBobby]

54 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Don’t think he gets the job there but say he does. Who are the best OC options out there?

Pat Shurmer 

Chad O’Shea

Joe Brady (LSU) 

Kellen Moore

 

to name a few 

[Rc2catch]

Daboll is pretty hated lately.. But the grass isn’t always greener. Those begging for him to be gone may be even angrier if we end up with someone worse. Yes there’s a lot of worse coordinators and we’re not getting first dibs on interviews either. Coaches are putting together staffs as we speak and if daboll leaves after the playoffs we could end up with some really questionable candidates. 
Daboll may be holding Allen back, but he is not regressing (looking at you baker/kitchens) Could easily end up with a coordinator that not only stunts Allen’s growth but blows his confidence and causes regression and doubt in his game. 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

I figured Joe Thomas had some clout, but damn!

 

I remember Greg Roman "complaining" in an interview early in his time with the Bills about how going on long playoff runs with the 49ers hurt his chances of getting hired as HC, even though there were several teams requesting permission to interview. He basically said that by the time the 49ers seasons finally ended, all those teams had already filled the position. Every year, guys like Ron Rivera this year get hired first, often before the first casualties of Wild Card weekend open up more possible coaching options. Guys like Greg Roman (once again) this year and (hopefully) Brian Daboll will still be coaching in games and find it difficult to land a HC gig that they are truly interested in. Playing in February would really hurt Daboll's chances.

 

Personally, I don't think he's "ready" for the job, anywhere in the NFL. I don't recall him having great rosters/management in Cleveland or Miami as OC, but now it seems he is in a pretty good situation to build something special for the first time. He may want to see it through a bit more, and if the Bills really want to keep him, there's no cap on coaches salaries.

Edited December 31, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Dopey said:

You can argue that, but it's not very convincing. To Gary Busey's point, Allen has progressed from last year. Quite a bit. It's pretty obvious in watching him play this year. If you can't see the difference, not sure what to say. As for the 2nd half, his play in the 2nd half of this season helped us to the playoffs. Josh cut his turnovers down in the 2nd half of this season. He didn't do that on his own. Dabol had a hand in that. The 2nd half of this season is where we played 5 games in a row vs. top 11 defenses. His numbers were not going to blow up playing that 2nd half schedule. I'm happy with the work Dabol is doing with Allen, along with a new oline, all new wrs, all new te's and all new rbs. Not sure how you don't see that. 

 

 

They scored 19ppg vs top defenses.  They were bailed out by their own D.

 

Yes, Josh has gotten better.  But his output is what it is--and it's not leaps and bounds better than last year's 11 starts.  

 

If you want to say Daboll helped get Josh man incremental bump from last year---ok, have that.  But Daboll has shown noting at all, ever, to give me any hops he will take the (for the Bills) generational talent at QB to the next level.  Daboll may be a nice guy, but he's a nobody as OC.  You want to make him the QB coach?  Ok...sure.

[GETTOTHE50]

Browns need someone like a Leslie Frazier, not a Brian Daboll.

 

I hope Leslie stays atleast another year.

[BillsFan4]

I’m hoping we don’t lose him. It seems like he’s been good for Josh Allen. He’s making progress and I’d prefer not to disturb that. It’s far from a guarantee that the next OC will be as good/better for Allen’s development. 

 

And ill be pissed if the friggin Browns steal another promising coordinator away from the Bills just to fire him 1-2 seasons from now (like with Pettine, who shouldn’t have been fired). 

 

Personally, I think they need a veteran coach. The Browns organization isn’t a very good place for on the job training. They don’t seem to provide their coaches with the resources to grow on the job, and I think the Haslam’s have shown that they’re not willing to live with the growing pains that come with rookie head coaches.

I don’t think this is the right job for Daboll... 

 

But, reading that Haslam and Depodesta are (supposedly) leading the search, I fully expect them to do something totally unexpected. 

[Buffalo Boy]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Pat Shurmer 

Chad O’Shea

Joe Brady (LSU) 

Kellen Moore

 

to name a few 

Norv Turner anyone???

He got Cam’s completion percentage up big time in the first half of 2018.

Also, I think he may have worked with a few decent young QBs in his day.

Old? Yes! But, the game hasn’t passed him.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, BillsFan4 said:

I’m hoping we don’t lose him. It seems like he’s been good for Josh Allen. He’s making progress and I’d prefer not to disturb that. It’s far from a guarantee that the next OC will be as good/better for Allen’s development. 

 

And ill be pissed if the friggin Browns steal another promising coordinator away from the Bills just to fire him 1-2 seasons from now (like with Pettine, who shouldn’t have been fired). 

 

Personally, I think they need a veteran coach. The Browns organization isn’t a very good place for on the job training. They don’t seem to provide their coaches with the resources to grow on the job, and I think the Haslam’s have shown that they’re not willing to live with the growing pains that come with rookie head coaches.

I don’t think this is the right job for Daboll... 

 

But, reading that Haslam and Depodesta are (supposedly) leading the search, I fully expect them to do something totally unexpected. 

would be smart if they actually listened to him this time. Not listening to him allowed McD to be hired here and NOT In Cleveland. 
 

DePodesta was pounding the table for McD in Cleveland and lost that power struggle. If they are actually listening to him this time seems Dorsey has lost the power struggle. And actually signs are starting to show that he has. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Pat Shurmer 

Chad O’Shea

Joe Brady (LSU) 

Kellen Moore

 

to name a few 

Joe Brady. Everyone is going to be after him.

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

would be smart if they actually listened to him this time. Not listening to him allowed McD to be hired here and NOT In Cleveland. 
 

DePodesta was pounding the table for McD in Cleveland and lost that power struggle. If they are actually listening to him this time seems Dorsey has lost the power struggle. And actually signs are starting to show that he has. 

Over his career as an NFL general manager, Dorsey’s resume is littered with risky decisions. Some — like trading up from No. 27 to No. 10 to select Patrick Mahomes and giving Tyreek Hill a chance in the seventh round — worked out. Others like drafting Antonio Callaway and Marcus Peters haven’t.

 

The apparent theme when examining his past personnel moves is that collecting talent at the expense of character red flags is notable. The best teams in today’s NFL are the ones that have the right culture and mix of talent — Dorsey has become too focused on adding talent and not being mindful enough of how it all fits together with the right leader. 

[MAJBobby]

Reason I mention Chad O’Shea is it you want Allen to remain in a similar system that he has now this hire makes sense. 
 

O’Shea will likely become the OC in NE once McDaniels goes to HC somewhere. So system similarities with Daboll and O’Shea 

Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Joe Brady. Everyone is going to be after him.

yep they will be. But you make you pitch and see. 

[Blank Stare]

55 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He was very unpopular as the OC there 

 

 

Man, that Browns pic is a few cheeseburgers ago. 

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

There is still a lot of work to do on the offensive side of the ball. The OL is a work in progress. The WRs are ordinary although I do like JB as a solid #2 and Beasley in slot. The TEs are young and have dropped a lot of balls. I do like Sweeney and think letting go of Jack's nephew was a mistake. Liking what I see from Singletary but the rest of the RBs are a train wreck. Gore is well past prime and of marginal value. Allen is still pretty green and a raw talent that needs seasoning. I hate to throw all of the offenses problems at the feet of the OC. That said, I think Daboll is not utilizing what he has in the best way he can. No team is perfect. I'd like to think we can win with the talent we have and that they can get better.

[Rc2catch]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Norv Turner anyone???

He got Cam’s completion percentage up big time in the first half of 2018.

Also, I think he may have worked with a few decent young QBs in his day.

Old? Yes! But, the game hasn’t passed him.

His son is actually offensive coordinator for Carolina right now while norv is like assistant to the coach or some random title. After Rivera was fired I think his son took over to practice as a coordinator in game situations. 
Norv comes here we will learn the screen game that’s for sure 

[Buffalophil1948]

Does he need a ride to Cleveland?

[BuffaloRebound]

I won’t be upset if Daboll leaves but he also deserves another year with hopefully some more weapons for Josh to work with.  

[Tesla03]

Can't believe there are Bills fans out there that think losing Daboll and his 28th ranked pass offense is going to be bad for Josh Allen lol 

 

it will be the best thing to happen to the kids career. 

[Magox]

I hope Daboll doesn't get offered a HC job anywhere this coming year.   He's a lot better than some of the opinions thrown out here from the peanut gallery.

 

The offense is not that far away to taking it to the next level and even though there have been some situations that I didn't like his play calling, the offensive structure and type of plays they ran were ones that resembled a good offense.

 

If he happens to stick it out another year I predict next year the Bills will have a top 10 offense.

[Nihilarian]

35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

@Nihilarian shocked to see this?

You were right as Carolina is also interested in interviewing him. 

 

Not shocked at all that "Cleveland" would want to interview him. They gave Hue Jackson another year after 1-15, 0-16 seasons. Then hired the teams RB coach in Kitchens who had no experience as a HC. Stupid is what they do...

 

I wouldn't be shocked if they actually hired him either. Just happy to see him go.  Daboll is like Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde as he oft times forgets he also has a run game and goes pass happy with a young, inexperienced QB against a strong pass rush. 

 

The 2019 Buffalo Bills passing offense is 26th in yards, 24th in TDs which is about the norm for this OCs Career. And isn't the passing offense supposedly his specialty with the Patriots play book? 

 

The Bills run game is more of Allen's incredible physical talent with his 510 yards rushing and 9 TDs. Also Singletary's, Gore's talent as Daboll has about as much innovation in the run game as a clay pigeon. 

 

Like I said, if Anthony Lynn parts ways with the Chargers I hope the Bills give him a shot as OC. 

[Wayne Arnold]

9 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I don't think Daboll would take the job - I sure as hell wouldn't. I would wait for a better opp

 

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[MAJBobby]

Just in Case here are the names DePodesta has wanted and have been over ruled. 
 

McDermott - Haslam chose Jackson

Kevin Stefanski - Dorsey chose Kitchens. 
 

so Stefanski and McCarthy are reported as the DePodesta Candidates this year.   Guess we get to see who wins Browns Power Struggle Take 3. 

[Bad Things]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Keep him. Let McClappy interview there instead. 

This whole "McClappy" thing is so bloody lame.

He's taken us to the playoffs 2 out of the 3 years that he's been here.  You would think that this alone would have earned our respect.  But, no... he claps too much. Give me a break.

[SectionC3]

5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

he isn’t going anywhere. And no coach in their right mind would go to a team with an internal power struggle between their GM and their Advisor 

Perhaps.  But these jobs don’t grow on trees. And sometimes it’s best to strike when the iron is hot.  Ask Brian Schottenheimer.  

 

It may also be that Dorsey is gone in Cleveland.  Lots of moving parts there. 
 

For what it’s worth, I think Roman makes a lot of sense for them.  He’s scored a lot of points  with mediocre quarterbacks, and hiring him would weaken a division rival. McDaniels might work for them, too.  But they could find Daboll attractive for his work with Allen, who arguably has come the furthest of the 2018 QB class. 
 

 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, SectionC3 said:

Perhaps.  But these jobs don’t grow on trees. And sometimes it’s best to strike when the iron is hot.  Ask Brian Schottenheimer.  

 

It may also be that Dorsey is gone in Cleveland.  Lots of moving parts there. 
 

For what it’s worth, I think Roman makes a lot of sense for them.  He’s scored a lot of points  with mediocre quarterbacks, and hiring him would weaken a division rival. McDaniels might work for them, too.  But they could find Daboll attractive for his work with Allen, who arguably has come the furthest of the 2018 QB class. 
 

 

McCarthy or Rivera make the most sense.

 

another will be Garrett 

[ALLEN1QB]

I will personally pay for his one-way ticket. Bye Bye

[Nihilarian]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

it's really not leaps and bounds.  she's still a sub 60% passer, a couple more YPG and only 20 TDs.

 

Josh is a stud.  Daboll is stunting his growth because Daboll is a nobody.  He is a guy who knows great coaches.  Josh needs someone who can ACTUALLY take him to the next level.  

 

Daboll is completely out of his depth as a developer of a great QB talent.  He's has no history of doing this.  

I feel the same way, Daboll is taking credit for Allen can do. 

 

Let's not forget that this is the same man who though Nathan Peterman should start the 2018 season at QB. 

 

Gregg Roman would be better, Anthony Lynn would be better. Cam Cameron would be better. 

[Big Blitz]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Reason I mention Chad O’Shea is it you want Allen to remain in a similar system that he has now this hire makes sense. 
 

O’Shea will likely become the OC in NE once McDaniels goes to HC somewhere. So system similarities with Daboll and O’Shea 

yep they will be. But you make you pitch and see. 

 

 

Why would he go to a team with no QB when he can have Allen here.....and soon after that a HC position after he gets Allen into the top 10 of most major passing categories.  

[Mojo44]

1 hour ago, Dr. K said:

I guess if Daboll has the chance to be a HC then the Bills ought to let him interview. But I hope he does not end up going there.

 

I hope he realizes what he's got going here. 

I hope they let him interview, too. I actually think he deserves one more year here with Josh and, presumably, significantly better offensive weapons. With Josh in his third year and some genuine weapons he would have no excuse if he can’t put a potent offense on the field. This would only increase his attractiveness as a potential head coach.But if he has aspirations to be a head coach he can’t be choosy. He needs to take any interview he can get. And, you know, despite the dumpster fire that Cleveland seems to be there is some intriguing talent there on both sides of the ball. Besides, there just aren’t many of these jobs around. 

[Dopey]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

They scored 19ppg vs top defenses.  They were bailed out by their own D.

 

Yes, Josh has gotten better.  But his output is what it is--and it's not leaps and bounds better than last year's 11 starts.  

 

If you want to say Daboll helped get Josh man incremental bump from last year---ok, have that.  But Daboll has shown noting at all, ever, to give me any hops he will take the (for the Bills) generational talent at QB to the next level.  Daboll may be a nice guy, but he's a nobody as OC.  You want to make him the QB coach?  Ok...sure.

There was a thread just before the season started asking what were our expectations of Josh. He's pretty spot on what most here expected. Because we had 9 new starters on offense, most were realistic in not expecting "leaps and bounds" better, but better. Your argument was about his 2nd half demise. I thought he played well in the 2nd half, considering the top defenses we played. And I'm not just looking at stats. That doesn't tell the whole story. Daboll hasn't shown you anything to give you hope, ok. I see it different. Add a couple of pieces to our offense and we're going to score plenty of points next year.

[SectionC3]

41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

it's really not leaps and bounds.  she's still a sub 60% passer, a couple more YPG and only 20 TDs.

 

Josh is a stud.  Daboll is stunting his growth because Daboll is a nobody.  He is a guy who knows great coaches.  Josh needs someone who can ACTUALLY take him to the next level.  

 

Daboll is completely out of his depth as a developer of a great QB talent.  He's has no history of doing this.  

Sorry but I don’t see it the same way.  In week 2 last year josh was completely overmatched against the Chargers.  It is night and day since then.  He also was arguably the rawest member of his draft class, and he arguably is the best product of that group today. 
 

it’s easy to rely on the “he knows great coaches” trope.  Fact remains that belichick hired him multiple times and Saban brought him in to run his offense.  So perhaps it’s a bit excessive to refer to him as a “nobody.”

[Tesla03]

18 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Reason I mention Chad O’Shea is it you want Allen to remain in a similar system that he has now this hire makes sense. 
 

O’Shea will likely become the OC in NE once McDaniels goes to HC somewhere. So system similarities with Daboll and O’Shea 

yep they will be. But you make you pitch and see. 

 

Allen doesn't even fit this system

 

go get someone from the saints or chiefs offensive staff. 

[SectionC3]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

McCarthy or Rivera make the most sense.

 

another will be Garrett 

I agree on the discipline point with Rivera, and they probably could use somebody who won’t need to learn on the job as a HC.  (Another plug for McDaniels, perhaps.)

 

Not sure about the other two, however.  One could argue that both greatly underachieved with the talent at their disposal - even with McCarthy’s Super Bowl. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, SectionC3 said:

Sorry but I don’t see it the same way.  In week 2 last year josh was completely overmatched against the Chargers.  It is night and day since then.  He also was arguably the rawest member of his draft class, and he arguably is the best product of that group today. 
 

it’s easy to rely on the “he knows great coaches” trope.  Fact remains that belichick hired him multiple times and Saban brought him in to run his offense.  So perhaps it’s a bit excessive to refer to him as a “nobody.”

 

he was a bystander in Bama.  

 

BB gave him nothing to do In NE.

 

Look, I'll acknowledge Daboll didn't some good, but it's clear that: A) this Offense is stuck in a rut and B) Josh is talent t that shouldn't be wasted on a guy who has really shown no superior aptitude at running an NFL Offense.  

 

Josh needs a pro to take him to the next level, not a guy who has been in proximity to pros.  This Offense needs someone to take them to the next level.  Next level isn't 19 to 20 ppg.

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

I feel the same way, Daboll is taking credit for Allen can do. 

 

Let's not forget that this is the same man who though Nathan Peterman should start the 2018 season at QB. 

 

Gregg Roman would be better, Anthony Lynn would be better. Cam Cameron would be better. 

On the Peterman point - Allen didn’t even know the protections early last year.  McCarron was even more mediocre.  They didn’t have much of a choice in that respect. 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

45 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said:

 

Picture should really be of Jaba the Hut.

 

If Daboll leaves, I'll really miss the 3rd and short situations where he dials up a 30 yard pass with a QB that overthrows the receiver by 5+ yards.

 

I remember that happening somewhat frequently with Tyrod at QB, but not with Allen/Daboll. 

 

There are certainly things that we can criticize when it comes to Brian Daboll, but I really don't believe the scenario you describe is one of them. At least not to the point that it's a reoccurring theme or anything. 

[billsfan_34]

1 hour ago, QB Bills said:

Keep him. Let McClappy interview there instead. 

Sarcasm I hope

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

he was a bystander in Bama.  

 

BB gave him nothing to do In NE.

 

Look, I'll acknowledge Daboll didn't some good, but it's clear that: A) this Offense is stuck in a rut and B) Josh is talent t that shouldn't be wasted on a guy who has really shown no superior aptitude at running an NFL Offense.  

 

Josh needs a pro to take him to the next level, not a guy who has been in proximity to pros.  This Offense needs someone to take them to the next level.  Next level isn't 19 to 20 ppg.

Bystander at bama?  Come on.  Nothing to do in NE?  He had a 20/20 job.  
 

Go back and watch Bama’s win over Georgia in the national championship game.  Check our who took control of the huddle before Tua hit the game winner.  It was daboll.  And he got to run an offense for nick Saban in part on belichick’s recommendation.  I just can’t believe belichick would mislead a friend like Saban in a hire like that. 

[MAJBobby]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

I agree on the discipline point with Rivera, and they probably could use somebody who won’t need to learn on the job as a HC.  (Another plug for McDaniels, perhaps.)

 

Not sure about the other two, however.  One could argue that both greatly underachieved with the talent at their disposal - even with McCarthy’s Super Bowl. 

McCarthy didn’t have even a avg defense once that offense was Built. 
 

Garrett will bring a Culture the Browns haven’t seen (similar to McD in that very way). 

[Happy]

2 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

I remember that happening somewhat frequently with Tyrod at QB, but not with Allen/Daboll. 

 

There are certainly things that we can criticize when it comes to Brian Daboll, but I really don't believe the scenario you describe is one of them. At least not to the point that it's a reoccurring theme or anything. 

 

Really?  You missed the multiple calls where Josh overshot his WRs by 5+ yards?  That happened on more than one occasion, including 3rd and short.  It happened with Tyrod, too.  I have to believe that Daboll is telling Josh to let the receivers run to the ball rather than trying to be near perfect with the pass.  I'm with those who believe Daboll is holding Josh back.

[SectionC3]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

McCarthy didn’t have even a avg defense once that offense was Built. 
 

Garrett will bring a Culture the Browns haven’t seen (similar to McD in that very way). 

McCarthy probably let capers hang around too long.