H2o Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 This is what happens when the FO makes a bunch of short sighted decisions in hopes of a quick SB instead of building for sustainability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: They would have been better off if they were 3-13. How did going 7-9 so much work out for Bills all those years? Or trading multiple first round picks work out? Bottom line. Bears are facing a tough road if Trubisky doesnt magically go from Crap to good next year. They have a bad cap situation, guys they are likely going to lose soon because of it, and no premium picks to help fill those spots and also find a new QB. You dont mortgage your future on a defensive player when your QB is not settled...period. It would be utterly stupid for the Bills to go get Donald, and I love Donald and watch him play all the time here in LA as Rams are my second team...distant second, but still my second team. We have a championship defense already and we just invested the 9th pick in the draft on a DT that is supposed to potentially compare to Donald to go along with a returning Horrible Harry and a likely resigned Jordan. Trading for Donald would be as foolish as drafting Spiller 9th overall when we already had BOTH Lynch and Jackson on the roster. This team is NOT a DT away from being a serious SB contender...it is however, a couple offensive weapons away from being one. For example...Jordan is second to only Donald in the NFL for sacks from a DT this year. Swapping Donald in this year for Jordan would not at all change our record. We did not lose any of our 5 games this year because we had Jordan and Oliver instead of Donald. We did however lose multiple games because we couldn't score more points when our D held the opponent to a low score. Its utterly insane to trade picks and tie up the cap space for Donald right now. We absolutely need to focus our draft assets and cap space heavy this offseason on the offense. Mortgage your future is the same chicken little melodrama. The only certainty in the NFL is that you’ll always get more picks. If the Bills had sacked Brady one or two more times last game, we might have won. Let alone Donald’s game goes far beyond sacks. He’s disruptive in the run and pass game almost every play, not just when he gets home. I don’t disagree that there are reasonable arguments to be made against acquiring Donald (if he was available even though honestly he probably isn’t). I just think we could easily afford him, and we probably won’t get a better player with pick #22 or #26 or #32. Elevating your defense from really good to incredible with a QB who makes plays in the clutch can be a title winning formula. The history of the NFL proves this. Besides, how many times in the dark years did the Bills really trade their middle of the pack first round picks? Some of those guys were good and some weren’t but it’s not like any of them changed the future of the franchise. We have some good cornerstones in White, Allen, Oliver, Edmunds. It’s certainly possible our next pick is also a star. It’s also possible he’s a Shaq. Or a Spiller. Or a Maybin. Edited December 24, 2019 by BringBackOrton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 How anyone is against getting Donald is beyond me. His contract right now is reasonable for the next 3 years and we would not have dead money issue if we had to cut him to save money since all signing bonus is paid by Rams. The big question is what will they be offered in return by another team- I doubt we are highest bidder but I would love him on our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Phillips Oliver and Donald! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Giving up a king's ransom for an aging DT with a huge contract is exactly what this team needs to get over the top. Any other brilliant threads? You just chose to describe AARON DONALD as "an aging DT with a huge contract". Let that sink in for a moment and then decide if it sounds reasonable or completely insane. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Aren't we all aging? It's like describing my 1-year old as "an aging female with a bad attitude and uncontrollable bowels". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Unfortunately, that contact is massive. I'm concerned since we have our guys that need to get paid. I would definitely be interested in bringing Robert woods back. Unfortunately, I think he likes the west coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 12 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Mortgage your future is the same chicken little melodrama. The only certainty in the NFL is that you’ll always get more picks. If the Bills had sacked Brady one or two more times last game, we might have won. Let alone Donald’s game goes far beyond sacks. He’s disruptive in the run and pass game almost every play, not just when he gets home. I don’t disagree that there are reasonable arguments to be made against acquiring Donald (if he was available even though honestly he probably isn’t). I just think we could easily afford him, and we probably won’t get a better player with pick #22 or #26 or #32. Elevating your defense from really good to incredible with a QB who makes plays in the clutch can be a title winning formula. The history of the NFL proves this. Besides, how many times in the dark years did the Bills really trade their middle of the pack first round picks? Some of those guys were good and some weren’t but it’s not like any of them changed the future of the franchise. We have some good cornerstones in White, Allen, Oliver, Edmunds. It’s certainly possible our next pick is also a star. It’s also possible he’s a Shaq. Or a Spiller. Or a Maybin. We need receivers, not a DT. End thread. PS: I love Donald and reserve the right to be excited if he ends up on the Bills. But hope we don’t do it, it’s very unnecessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 11 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Aren't we all aging? I know I am...yawn...is it passed my bed time yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 we should be making moves for a olb, right tackle and wr. unless the rams are giving him up for a second and say the rights to shaq which i doubt then i'd pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I'm thinking DT has become the new RB for Bills fans, lets see how many we can play at one time. We just drafted a DT 9th overall, were also wasting 11M a season on Star, spent a 3rd rounder on Harrison Phillips and Jordan Phillips will hopefully be getting Star's money next season. Were looking pretty darn good in the middle imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 LOL at people saying no to the best player in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 They gave Donald a $40M signing bonus in 2018 , I doubt he gets traded. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/los-angeles-rams/aaron-donald-14422/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 12 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I'm thinking DT has become the new RB for Bills fans, lets see how many we can play at one time. We just drafted a DT 9th overall, were also wasting 11M a season on Star, spent a 3rd rounder on Harrison Phillips and Jordan Phillips will hopefully be getting Star's money next season. Were looking pretty darn good in the middle imo. The thing is, unlike RB where only 1 can have the ball, you can play as many impact DL as you like. People can keep pooping on Star, he isn't going anywhere for at least another year. If they decide to keep Jordan, the money he likely gets when combined with Star would exceed what Donald makes. Which would you rather have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 the amount of money he will take up we could give to at least 3 new high quality playmakers on offense...and still have money to spare. no thanks. we need offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Normally I’d say yes, but Tre White is gonna cost us a fortune (if we keep him, which we better!). And with a number of more big contracts we’ll have coming up in the next couple years, I guess I’d pass on Donald for now... Focus the $$$ on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Clemfield2622 said: The thing is, unlike RB where only 1 can have the ball, you can play as many impact DL as you like. People can keep pooping on Star, he isn't going anywhere for at least another year. If they decide to keep Jordan, the money he likely gets when combined with Star would exceed what Donald makes. Which would you rather have? We drafted Ed Oliver to be that guy, he's had a pretty good rookie season with ups and downs pretty much how I expected it to go but we know he can handle his own or at least in rotation along with Phillips and Phillips gives us a nice rotation none of which will exceed the 20+M contract of Donald. Tre White will need to be resigned and Allen will be getting a huge contract as well. Time to draft some pass rushers to make this defense complete whether that be at LB, DE or both but we need at least 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 10:36 AM, Bray Wyatt said: What about him? I would want him too if it was rumored he was available. I wanted him last time he was The Bills could have had him in the draft but chose Watkins instead. We could have had him for free. Why pay extra for him now?? On 12/23/2019 at 4:03 PM, BringBackOrton said: The Bears are only missing their first round pick this year at this point. Hardly the albatross you claim. "at this point" being the keys words. The point is their trade for Mack set them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egd Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 3:54 PM, Aussie Joe said: Not trying to sidetrack the thread, but the Bears have got to move on from Mitch T next year.. Herbert won’t be there in the 2nd so they need to scape up some money for a Tannehill or Cam Newton.. Newton or Tannenhll will not be available. Franchise QB's don't hit the open market. On 12/23/2019 at 10:18 AM, thebandit27 said: OMG yes. Yes 1000 times. Consistently the best defensive player in football, and he's under contract for a half-decade. Pair him with Ed and let them eat for the next 4 years. Let Jordan walk and take the 3rd Rd comp pick. Price is too high and he is too old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, egd said: The Bills could have had him in the draft but chose Watkins instead. We could have had him for free. Why pay extra for him now?? "at this point" being the keys words. The point is their trade for Mack set them back. 19-12 since trading for Mack. Prior to trading for Mack, 8-24. If the first record was a setback, what was the second? A catastrophe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Arguably the best player in football, sure-fire Hall of Famer and he's only 28. Depth schmeth. There is nobody on this defensive line that rivals what Donald can do. Couple that with not having to shell out any other big deals, outside of Tre, for the next 3 years or so... Yes, I'd make the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Tesla03 said: the amount of money he will take up we could give to at least 3 new high quality playmakers on offense...and still have money to spare. no thanks. we need offense How much money are you under the impression he takes up? 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: We drafted Ed Oliver to be that guy, he's had a pretty good rookie season with ups and downs pretty much how I expected it to go but we know he can handle his own or at least in rotation along with Phillips and Phillips gives us a nice rotation none of which will exceed the 20+M contract of Donald. Tre White will need to be resigned and Allen will be getting a huge contract as well. Time to draft some pass rushers to make this defense complete whether that be at LB, DE or both but we need at least 2. whether this move or another- you look for the splash now and when Donald or whoever comes off the books, Allen’s getting paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatonka68 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 NO. not part of the PROCESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Let me get this straight. Bills fans don't think the team would benefit from acquiring any of the following players: Steph Diggs Julio Jones Robby Anderson Amari Cooper and now Aaron Donald. Ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, egd said: Newton or Tannenhll will not be available. Franchise QB's don't hit the open market. Cousins going to Minnesota must be the exception to your rule.. Tannehill is a Free Agent in 2020 and can do what he likes unless they want to franchise him which would be quite the pay rise from his current $2 Million contract.. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Newton is not with the Panthers next year, but may not necessarily be at the Bears.. Edited December 25, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Let me get this straight. Bills fans don't think the team would benefit from acquiring any of the following players: Steph Diggs Julio Jones Robby Anderson Amari Cooper and now Aaron Donald. Ok. I think you might be missing part of the general thought process of many here, 1st, everyone would want those players on the team, 2nd, only if contracts fall in line with other upgrades Beane no doubt already has in the works. 3Rd, Beane will not undo all his previous work, ( cap control/ type of players wanted) to sign any player who does not buy in and run their career the Buffalo way while they are part of the organization. That’s the thinking many here have imo. BB & SM have a long term plan, like it or not they are following it, imo they envision Buffalo becoming a Steelers/ pats type of very stable wining/ profitable professional football organization. Thats what I got, many may very well think I’m a couple bottles short of a six pack in my thinking, and that’s okay, but I am right, ? Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 no, its a position of strength improve the offense and this team can compete for a super bowl next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 1:14 PM, matter2003 said: At least a first round pick? More like 3 first round picks...dude is an absolute wrecker in the middle of the line A team is giving up 3 firsts and taking a 25 million dollar cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: I think you might be missing part of the general thought process of many here, 1st, everyone would want those players on the team, 2nd, only if contracts fall in line with other upgrades Beane no doubt already has in the works. 3Rd, Beane will not undo all his previous work, ( cap control/ type of players wanted) to sign any player who does not buy in and run their career the Buffalo way while they are part of the organization. That’s the thinking many here have imo. BB & SM have a long term plan, like it or not they are following it, imo they envision Buffalo becoming a Steelers/ pats type of very stable wining/ profitable professional football organization. Thats what I got, many may very well think I’m a couple bottles short of a six pack in my thinking, and that’s okay, but I am right, ? Go Bills!!! the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 DT might be the most overrated position in football after Left Tackle. We've had Marcel Dareus, Kyle Williams, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams among a host of other very good interior DL and it got us exactly nowhere. To commit that kind of cap space to a position that won't win you a Super Bowl is just stupid when you can get guys like Jordan Phillips for a $4.5M cap hit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 27 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: DT might be the most overrated position in football after Left Tackle. We've had Marcel Dareus, Kyle Williams, Ted Washington, and Pat Williams among a host of other very good interior DL and it got us exactly nowhere. To commit that kind of cap space to a position that won't win you a Super Bowl is just stupid when you can get guys like Jordan Phillips for a $4.5M cap hit. DT overrated? Not in this defense. We need true one tech DTs to stop the run with our MLB being a big strong safety. Jordan Phillips will want closer to $10M/yr, and that might be understating things. LT overrated? Not if you want a healthy QB. Me thinks your logic is a bit off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent. True only to a point, those teams have been keeping their salary cap under control for many years, during which time the developed the team reputations, the Bills are only just starting to go down that road, but like all things to much sugar causes a cavity, LB & AB, muderous tight end, when the personalities go rouge they are then disposable. Personalities are fine, azsholes are not. It’s like no one understands that the Buffalo Bills started essentially from zero, reputation wise, when SM & BB got here, becoming a team like the Steelers etc, doesn’t happen in two and 3/4ths seasons, just repairing the teams image within the league is going to take more time than the typical whiny fan wants to endure, I say F those fans, it’s going to take time to lure the stars fans want and they are just gonna have to wait all pouty till it happens. Merry Christmas ? Go Bills!!! Edited December 25, 2019 by Don Otreply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: DT overrated? Not in this defense. We need true one tech DTs to stop the run with our MLB being a big strong safety. Jordan Phillips will want closer to $10M/yr, and that might be understating things. LT overrated? Not if you want a healthy QB. Me thinks your logic is a bit off. You need decent to good players in those spots, but you hardly need elite. The elite players at both positions command huge premiums that have significant diminishing returns. Give me the 15th-20 best LT all day over the #1 at a quarter or less of the cost. If Jordan Phillips wants $10M let some other team make that mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: You need decent to good players in those spots, but you hardly need elite. The elite players at both positions command huge premiums that have significant diminishing returns. Give me the 15th-20 best LT all day over the #1 at a quarter or less of the cost. If Jordan Phillips wants $10M let some other team make that mistake. If you want a mediocre LT, you have one now. Dawkins isn't a top 5, or even top 10 LT; at least not yet. $10M for Jordan Phillips may be a bargain. You know they're paying Star that right now, and for much less production; Phillips, I recently saw, is the #2 rated DT in QB sacks behind Aaron Donald. Also get rid of Hughes and Trent Murphy; draft and/or get DE's in FA, which is money better spent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Every team wants more great players. Every team has to worry about the cap to some extent. Every player and situation is different. I’m just glad we have our FO to make these decisions. I, and others, may have opinions (some more informed than others), but I’m just happy that Santa and the Pegulas have put people in place who seem to make better decisions than many other teams. Have a plan, make it work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Happy Gilmore said: If you want a mediocre LT, you have one now. Dawkins isn't a top 5, or even top 10 LT; at least not yet. $10M for Jordan Phillips may be a bargain. You know they're paying Star that right now, and for much less production; Phillips, I recently saw, is the #2 rated DT in QB sacks behind Aaron Donald. Also get rid of Hughes and Trent Murphy; draft and/or get DE's in FA, which is money better spent. just because star is overpaid, doesn't mean we should overpay a one-year wonder a season removed from being waived as a former 2nd rd pick. Phillips has been great, and I'm more than happy to keep him around at $5-7M any more than that and we can replace him with someone younger. As for Dawkins, he's exactly what I'm looking for in an OL. Solid but unspectacular. Any QB worth having should be able to get their job done behind guys like Dawkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I'll take Cooper Kupp first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Don Otreply said: I think you might be missing part of the general thought process of many here, 1st, everyone would want those players on the team, 2nd, only if contracts fall in line with other upgrades Beane no doubt already has in the works. 3Rd, Beane will not undo all his previous work, ( cap control/ type of players wanted) to sign any player who does not buy in and run their career the Buffalo way while they are part of the organization. That’s the thinking many here have imo. BB & SM have a long term plan, like it or not they are following it, imo they envision Buffalo becoming a Steelers/ pats type of very stable wining/ profitable professional football organization. Thats what I got, many may very well think I’m a couple bottles short of a six pack in my thinking, and that’s okay, but I am right, ? Go Bills!!! The Steelers just gave up a 1st to acquire Minkah Fitzpatrick, who they will have to sign to a big money deal within the next 2 years. He's going to be an $18-$20 million/year guy. Beane has already whiffed on Kelvin Benjamin and kicked the tires on Antonio Brown. I don't think many here have as great a grasp on what Beane's philosophy is as they think they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The Rams aren't letting him go. That is an absolute impossibility. If they trade him, Spotrac lists his dead cap at $41 mill. Some bit of that would be paid for by the team that picked him up, but a minimum of $32 mill dead cap would be on the Rams. As for the Bills, they've got their 3-tech in Oliver, and much cheaper for the next four years. It just wouldn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 10 hours ago, NoSaint said: the pats and Steelers have made room for plenty of “personalities” and also made big splash trades. The two of them trade me a 1 and a 2 during this season to add talent. Did the Steelers and the Pats bring in a lot of "personalities" in their coaches' third year? Or was it only after they'd thoroughly remade the locker room in the image of their system that they brought in those types of guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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