Allen slammed on ESPN

[RaoulDuke79]

7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

ESPN is right about one thing Josh Allen is the most inaccurate starting QB in the NFL. Outside of that stats we get a range of opinions.  I think Allen simply doesn’t read the defense early enough & doesn’t get to his hot read early enough. Instead he stays in the pocket or scrambles trying to find deeper patterns developing. There is no shame in getting the ball out early on 1st or 2nd down passes.

The only shame is it appears we have no passing plays in the playbook for first or second down.

[BringBackOrton]

16 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Ok man. Whatever you say. The defense is the only reason that the team has won any games.

There you go again putting words in my mouth. 

 

I never said that the defense is the only reason. I said that they are a primary reason. The defense is clearly better compared to the rest of the NFL than the offense is. The better unit is the one that contributes more to wins. That’s all. Does that mean that if you replace the 2019 Bills offense with the Dolphins offense, we’re still 10-5? Of course not.

 

The defense keeps it close for the majority of the game. They play at a high level for longer and more consistently than the offense does. The offense has some bad moments, but ultimately makes big plays when they have to. I would say 90% of the time, the defense looks great, and maybe 50% of the time, the offense looks great. And in that 50%, it’s a majority of Josh’s play that makes them look great. That’s been our winning formula and I’m happy with it. Especially because the offense wasn’t close to 50% last year and the defense probably wasn’t close to 90% either.

 

It was your inane and arbitrary examples and strange off the wall comparisons that I debated because they were silly on their face.  Pointing exclusively to offensive TD’s by one player as an indication of how the offense performs as a whole? Which completely excluded yardage, field position, field goals and TD’s from other players? Stating that the Bills wouldn’t have won any games this year if their offense scored zero points the whole year and that somehow proves something?

 

I said it best earlier. There was a Josh Allen gas leak in here that had you spouting gibberish.

Edited December 24, 2019 by BringBackOrton

[thebandit27]

14 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

There you go again putting words in my mouth. 

 

I never said that the defense is the only reason. I said that they are a primary reason. The defense is clearly better compared to the rest of the NFL than the offense is. The better unit is the one that contributes more to wins. That’s all. Does that mean that if you replace the 2019 Bills offense with the Dolphins offense, we’re still 10-5? Of course not.

 

The defense keeps it close for the majority of the game. They play at a high level for longer and more consistently than the offense does. The offense has some bad moments, but ultimately makes big plays when they have to. I would say 90% of the time, the defense looks great, and maybe 50% of the time, the offense looks great. And in that 50%, it’s a majority of Josh’s play that makes them look great. That’s been our winning formula and I’m happy with it. Especially because the offense wasn’t close to 50% last year and the defense probably wasn’t close to 90% either.

 

It was your inane and arbitrary examples and strange off the wall comparisons that I debated because they were silly on their face.  Pointing exclusively to offensive TD’s by one player as an indication of how the offense performs as a whole? Which completely excluded yardage, field position, field goals and TD’s from other players? Stating that the Bills wouldn’t have won any games this year if their offense scored zero points the whole year and that somehow proves something?

 

I said it best earlier. There was a Josh Allen gas leak in here that had you spouting gibberish.

 

Actually, what happened was you waltzed your way into a discussion between biscuit and I that began when he said that this was a team that still wins with its defense (direct quote), and I pointed out that that's not true.

 

And for some reason, that upset your delicate temperament. Maybe it's the holiday stress? I don't know. Grab an eggnog or a Rumchata hot chocolate and chill.

 

There's no need to let the fact that you still don't understand the point ruin your day. All is well. The Bills are in the playoffs (no thanks to that dreadful offense ?) and we should all be happy.

 

Merry Christmas!

[row_33]

44 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

The only shame is it appears we have no passing plays in the playbook for first or second down.

next year 

[Billsfan1972]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

You know what's really not a fun to watch???   Watching your team lose 9,10 or 11 games season after season for almost 20 years. 

 

I'm not a big Beane/McDermott fan, and I remain skeptical about the team's commitment to building a team truly good enough to compete seriously for the Super Bowl, but that's an issue for the off season  It doesn't diminish how great it feels as a fan to FINALLY have a Bills team that's not only competitive in every game, but also wins most of the time ... or a team that again has "nothing to play for" in week 17, but finally for the right reason: a clinched playoff berth.

 

How can you NOT find a December game in Foxborough with playoff seedings on the line for both teams entertaining, especially when the Bills not only played the defending Super Bowl champion Patriots close but also had a real chance to tie the game in the closing seconds??? 

 

 

 

Again read that I am excited about the Bills & as big a fan as there is (I'm here way too much).  

 

The point is their offense has been pretty much at the bottom of the league the last three years, and I don't see a concerted effort to improve.  Better yes, but no where near their potential.

 

I really too like Allen, but seeing how he is coached & how McD plays for 17 points a game is frustrating.  I am tired of him being called a project, while Daniel Jones, Kyler Murray & a host of nobodies (and never will be's) are capable of lighting it up in their first few NFL starts.

 

Again 47 games under McD (a 25-21 record) and not a single 300 yard game.....  How that does not summarize the coaching issues/philosophy on that side of the ball, nothing does.....

 

McD probably is calling the Army or Navy HC for ideas on the passing game...... ?

 

Army Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
Christian Anderson	2/4	18	4.5	0	0	51.1
Kelvin Hopkins Jr.	1/2	7	3.5	0	1	40.3
TEAM	3/6	25	4.2	0	1	--

Navy Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
Chance Warren	1/1	1	1.0	1	0	99.0
TEAM	1/1	1	1.0	1	0	--

Edited December 24, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Actually, what happened was you waltzed your way into a discussion between biscuit and I that began when he said that this was a team that still wins with its defense (direct quote), and I pointed out that that's not true.

 

And for some reason, that upset your delicate temperament. Maybe it's the holiday stress? I don't know. Grab an eggnog or a Rumchata hot chocolate and chill.

 

There's no need to let the fact that you still don't understand the point ruin your day. All is well. The Bills are in the playoffs (no thanks to that dreadful offense ?) and we should all be happy.

 

Merry Christmas!

With all due respect, how did you prove the team with the 3rd ranked defense isn’t carrying the 22nd ranked offense (all teams ranked lower than us are non playoff teams)? 

[PaoloBillsFanFromItaly]

The reason why the Bills are 10-5  is clearly the defense. Whoever says the contrary is blind.

And in my opinion we are a true MLB and a solid CB away to be a superbowl team.

I hope that Tremaine will develop into the LB in its third year.

 

Most of you will disagree and would like to add talent to the WR group, but I think we are a step away from dominating the game like the Legion of Boom Seahawks.

[thebandit27]

13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

With all due respect, how did you prove the team with the 3rd ranked defense isn’t carrying the 22nd ranked offense (all teams ranked lower than us are non playoff teams)? 

 

Maybe the issue is our definition of "carrying". When you stated that the team was winning with defense, my issue is that you literally can't win without scoring points, and we've definitely seen NFL teams of yore win games with defenses that score reliably. This defense isn't one of those.

 

That's not to say that they aren't great, or that they aren't a huge component of why this is a playoff team. It's only to say that the defense isn't winning games for this team. They're definitely keeping the team in some games when lesser units wouldn't, and that's the way it's supposed to be with defense. You shouldn't have to count on them to win games.

 

Look at last year's Bears team: the defense scored the deciding points in 3 games in 2018. This year they've managed only one score (down from 5 last year), and lo and behold, they've gone from 12-4 to 7-8. Is the defense much worse? Of course not; they're just no longer winning games for that team.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

12 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I know, appreciate football & am a Bills fan.

 

I also can tell you they are not a fun team to watch......  

 

I know as fans this is hard to understand, but they are a very boring team the way they play football....

 

K-Gun was fun, so was a lot of the Flutie run.  OJ & ground & pound was not that exciting & McD & this coaching philosophy has been successful against a weak schedule going 10-5, however the games have not been overly entertaining.....

 

Yep the Offense the past three years ranked 31, 30 & 24(or 25) too does not excite most football fans.....

 

And the bothersome part is I think this offense could be fun to watch, McD & Daboll however won't allow it.

 

Are none of you honest and can't see that?

 

Maybe people have a different definition of "fun" than you do. I think that much is pretty readily apparent.

 

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Again read that I am excited about the Bills & as big a fan as there is (I'm here way too much).  

 

The point is their offense has been pretty much at the bottom of the league the last three years, and I don't see a concerted effort to improve.  Better yes, but no where near their potential.

 

I really too like Allen, but seeing how he is coached & how McD plays for 17 points a game is frustrating.  I am tired of him being called a project, while Daniel Jones, Kyler Murray & a host of nobodies (and never will be's) are capable of lighting it up in their first few NFL starts.

 

Again 47 games under McD (a 25-21 record) and not a single 300 yard game.....  How that does not summarize the coaching issues/philosophy on that side of the ball, nothing does.....

 

McD probably is calling the Army or Navy HC for ideas on the passing game...... ?

 

Army Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
Christian Anderson	2/4	18	4.5	0	0	51.1
Kelvin Hopkins Jr.	1/2	7	3.5	0	1	40.3
TEAM	3/6	25	4.2	0	1	--

Navy Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	QBR
Chance Warren	1/1	1	1.0	1	0	99.0
TEAM	1/1	1	1.0	1	0	--

 

I think you are not being realistic.  The Bills did not have a NFL caliber offense in 2018.  I do not believe that they had NFL caliber coaching on the offensive side, either.  

 

What the Bills have to work with on offense is very limited weapons and only 1 true playmaker: Josh Allen.  I think that McDermott and Daboll are working with what they have, and the name of the game is wins.  Their formula is trying to get the most out of what they have while trying hard not to expose their weaknesses.  No amount of coaching is going to make players taller or faster.   Simply put, the Bills need more and better talent on offense before they can even begin to implement a more explosive offense.

 

[JaCrispy]

35 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Maybe the issue is our definition of "carrying". When you stated that the team was winning with defense, my issue is that you literally can't win without scoring points, and we've definitely seen NFL teams of yore win games with defenses that score reliably. This defense isn't one of those.

 

That's not to say that they aren't great, or that they aren't a huge component of why this is a playoff team. It's only to say that the defense isn't winning games for this team. They're definitely keeping the team in some games when lesser units wouldn't, and that's the way it's supposed to be with defense. You shouldn't have to count on them to win games.

 

Look at last year's Bears team: the defense scored the deciding points in 3 games in 2018. This year they've managed only one score (down from 5 last year), and lo and behold, they've gone from 12-4 to 7-8. Is the defense much worse? Of course not; they're just no longer winning games for that team.

Meh...I see what you are saying, but on its face it seems like kind of a reach... I think most people don’t think of a defense as having to score points to carry a team...

 

For example, the offense is ranked in the bottom third of the league in scoring points- meaning this offense has done very little in justifying the bills being a playoff team...and furthermore, if the defense was ranked as low as the offense, the Bills would NOT be in the playoffs...

 

It is the very fact that the defense is able to contain most the league’s offenses, by being a top 5 unit, that it allows our mediocre offense to not have to produce much to still win the game.

 

So if the offense was top 10, then you could argue that both sides of the ball are equally matched and pulling their own weight..but the discrepancy between the two means that the defense carried the offense this season imo- which is fine...the offense will likely improve next year and hopefully contribute to the point where the defense doesn’t have to be relied upon so much every game.

[thebandit27]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Meh...I see what you are saying, but on its face it seems like kind of a reach... I think most people don’t think of a defense as having to score points to carry a team...

 

For example, the offense is ranked in the bottom third of the league in scoring points- meaning this offense has done very little in justifying the bills being a playoff team...and furthermore, if the defense was ranked as low as the offense, the Bills would NOT be in the playoffs...

 

It is the very fact that the defense is able to contain most the league’s offenses, by being a top 5 unit, that it allows our mediocre offense to not have to produce much to still win the game.

 

So if the offense was top 10, then you could argue that both sides of the ball are equally matched and pulling their own weight..but the discrepancy between the two means that the defense carried the offense this season imo- which is fine...the offense will likely improve next year and hopefully contribute to the point where the defense doesn’t have to be relied upon so much every game.

 

See this I agree with. The original bone of contention was that the defense isn't out there winning games. 

[HappyDays]

51 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

For example, the offense is ranked in the bottom third of the league in scoring points- meaning this offense has done very little in justifying the bills being a playoff team...and furthermore, if the defense was ranked as low as the offense, the Bills would NOT be in the playoffs...

 

 

Something that needs to be taken into account with McDermott as head coach is that our offense goes into a shell when we have a comfortable lead. We don't take as many opportunities to score points as other teams because he trusts our defense to win the game. Notable game examples from this year would be the Giants, both Dolphins games, Redskins, Broncos, and Cowboys. That's 40% of our games this year where we stopped trying to score points. Most of the top offenses in the league never stop. I would also point out we have scored exactly zero garbage time TDs this year.

 

I can't tell you how much those factors would affect our rankings but I believe it's fair to say those factors affect our offense more than just about any other offense in the league.

 

[JaCrispy]

40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Something that needs to be taken into account with McDermott as head coach is that our offense goes into a shell when we have a comfortable lead. We don't take as many opportunities to score points as other teams because he trusts our defense to win the game. Notable game examples from this year would be the Giants, both Dolphins games, Redskins, Broncos, and Cowboys. That's 40% of our games this year where we stopped trying to score points. Most of the top offenses in the league never stop. I would also point out we have scored exactly zero garbage time TDs this year.

 

I can't tell you how much those factors would affect our rankings but I believe it's fair to say those factors affect our offense more than just about any other offense in the league.

 

This is true...once we get a one score lead, McD almost tries to get to the end of the game as quickly as possible by running the ball even if we have more than a quarter to play...so many frustrating times where I wanted the Bills to attempt to pick up the first down so they could end the game with the ball...but McD always seems to love giving the other teams another opportunity to score as long as it takes away their TO...truly is maddening and it’s a “play not to lose” mentality that probably trickles down into Allen being afraid to make a mistake.

 

As long McD is HC he will never rely on the offense to win the game...he might even hold them back from reaching their fullest potential.

Edited December 24, 2019 by JaCrispy

[Billsfan1972]

14 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

This is true...once we get a one score lead, McD almost tries to get to the end of the game as quickly as possible by running the ball even if we have more than a quarter to play...so many frustrating times where I wanted the Bills to attempt to pick up the first down so they could end the game with the ball...but McD always seems to love giving the other teams another opportunity to score as long as it takes away their TO...truly is maddening and it’s a “play not to lose” mentality that probably trickles down into Allen being afraid to make a mistake.

10-5 & the Bills have led by more then 2 TD's just once this year (16 vs. Miami)......  All on the coaching.  Almost every game too was still in dopubt in the fourth (less then one score).....  Again hard to believe from a 10 win team.  

Edited December 24, 2019 by Billsfan1972

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I feel like we have some talent on offense to work with to make a run. The defense is obviously very good but the offense has the players to get on a roll.

 

The only thing that scares me is if Singletary goes down the guy we sign will probably be starting.

[SoTier]

45 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Something that needs to be taken into account with McDermott as head coach is that our offense goes into a shell when we have a comfortable lead. We don't take as many opportunities to score points as other teams because he trusts our defense to win the game. Notable game examples from this year would be the Giants, both Dolphins games, Redskins, Broncos, and Cowboys. That's 40% of our games this year where we stopped trying to score points. Most of the top offenses in the league never stop. I would also point out we have scored exactly zero garbage time TDs this year.

 

I can't tell you how much those factors would affect our rankings but I believe it's fair to say those factors affect our offense more than just about any other offense in the league.

 

 

I think that the philosophy McDermott is using is sound when a team has a young somewhat erratic QB -- get ahead, run the ball, depend on a stout D, and don't let a stupid mistake kill you -- but I don't think that the Bills have a good enough OL and RBs to execute it. 

[row_33]

They don’t talk about the Bills.. whaaaaaaaa

 

Now they talk about the Bills but say mean things.... double whaaaaaaaa

[Buftex]

Michael Lombardi, former Browns GM, as wll as a pro-personnel guy for multiple franchises, was just on One Bills Live, ripping on Allen pretty hard too.  He wasn't quite as harsh as the HQ guys, but he seems unimpressed with Josh.  When Murphy asked him if the Bills "will be okay with Allen", he just kind of ignored the question...his reasoning was the usual stuff:  too inaccurate.    He says Jackson and Darnold are the best QBs from that draft, and says Mayfield is a "system QB".

Edited December 24, 2019 by Buftex

[34-78-83]

1 hour ago, Buftex said:

Michael Lombardi, former Browns GM, as wll as a pro-personnel guy for multiple franchises, was just on One Bills Live, ripping on Allen pretty hard too.  He wasn't quite as harsh as the HQ guys, but he seems unimpressed with Josh.  When Murphy asked him if the Bills "will be okay with Allen", he just kind of ignored the question...his reasoning was the usual stuff:  too inaccurate.    He says Jackson and Darnold are the best QBs from that draft, and says Mayfield is a "system QB".

That's just incredible.

Is Michael like 85 years old or just have Cleveland disease?

[BringBackOrton]

8 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Actually, what happened was you waltzed your way into a discussion between biscuit and I that began when he said that this was a team that still wins with its defense (direct quote), and I pointed out that that's not true.

 

And for some reason, that upset your delicate temperament. Maybe it's the holiday stress? I don't know. Grab an eggnog or a Rumchata hot chocolate and chill.

 

There's no need to let the fact that you still don't understand the point ruin your day. All is well. The Bills are in the playoffs (no thanks to that dreadful offense ?) and we should all be happy.

 

Merry Christmas!

They do win with their defense! And their offense! Just mostly their defense!

[Chicken Boo]

The team is trending in the right direction and could hurt some other fanbase's feelings in the playoffs, but the offense isn't where it needs to be.  We all know that.

 

 

 

[BobbyC81]

On 12/19/2019 at 4:10 AM, Flutie Flakes said:

ESPN's version of "Dumb and Dumber".  Gushing over Jameis Winston.....meh.

 

I’m ashamed to admit I’ve occasionally watched the show.  Usually Tub-of-Lard’s dad is on, who, on top of his struggles with the English language and his thick Cuban accent, rarely knows what he’s talking about.

[RichRiderBills]

Guys, the more success we have the more " hot take " national media click bait attention we will get.

 

Lebatard is Miami Dolphins homer media...he's a moron. Bomoni jones is usually a decent dude, hes fallen into this mode to save or promote his career Id guess. Sad to see.

Edited December 26, 2019 by RichRiderBills

[Buftex]

17 hours ago, RichRiderBills said:

Guys, the more success we have the more " hot take " national media click bait attention we will get.

 

Lebatard is Miami Dolphins homer media...he's a moron. Bomoni jones is usually a decent dude, hes fallen into this mode as a save or promote his career Id guess. Sad to see.

All ESPN is anymore, is hot takes and argument.  To work there, you have to be willing to say stupid *****, just to keep it moving.  Somebody says something controversial, and it becomes the hot topic in the ESPN universe for the next 24-48 hours...it is their business model.  They make their own news, and then analyze it to death.  

 

[Buftex]

Was going to start a separate thread on this, but then I figured it fit in this one... did anyone happen to hear the Patriots radio broadcast of this past weekends game?  I don't make it a habit to listen to this stuff, but I watched a Bills/Patriots game video recap that used the Patriots radio broadcast calls.  I was kinda shocked, so I went to NFL Game Pass to make sure I wasn't imagining things... Scott Zolak (former QB, Patriots radio color commentator) really hates Josh Allen, and the Bills.  I am normally watching Bills games on tv, so I don't really listen to Murph and Woods radio calls, but I am pretty sure they are nowhere near as over the top...I suppose Zolak is trying to keep the Boston tradition of Johnny Most and Tom Heinson, with the absurd homerism....

 

Just a few examples of what I am talking about:

 

At one point, after an Allen run, Zolak refers to the "perfeclty legal hit" that Allen took in the last game the two teams played (when Allen got knocked out) and the "crying" that McDermott did over the hit.

 

- After Allen connects with Dawson Knox on the goal line (right before the first half ended), Zolak asks rhetorically "How do you let that bum complete that pass"?  He then says emphatically "You just can't let a QB like that make plays like that".

 

- After the td pass to Dion Dawkins, he insists that it shouldn't count, because he didn't report as a an eligible receiver...obviously Zolak was wrong.  He did, however give credit to "Dabes", who I can only assume was with NE when Zolak was palying for them. He complimented Daboll numerous times.

 

- After repeatedly insisting Allen couldn't handle the blitz (he even says Allen is "garbage" when blitzed), he writes of Allens' perfect TD pass to John Brown as "lucky", and says Allen "just chucked it up there".

 

- There were other things, non-Allen related.  He said the Bills were "a bunch of punks" for laughing at Julian Edeleman when he went down, trying to avoid a PI.  Anyone who was watching could see that he was faking, and he admitted it after the game.  He also insisted that the Bills were playing dirty, and that the refs were letting them get away with murder all game with late hits, and "extra-curricular" activity.  Was Zolak watching a different game than me?

 

 

Edited December 27, 2019 by Buftex

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Buftex said:

Was going to start a separate thread on this, but then I figured it fit in this one... did anyone happen to hear the Patriots radio broadcast of this past weekends game?  I don't make it a habit to listen to this stuff, but I watched a Bills/Patriots game video recap that used the Patriots radio broadcast calls.  I was kinda shocked, so I went to NFL Game Pass to make sure I wasn't imagining things... Scott Zolak (former QB, Patriots radio color commentator) really hates Josh Allen, and the Bills.  I am normally watching Bills games on tv, so I don't really listen to Murph and Woods radio calls, but I am pretty sure they are nowhere near as over the top...I suppose Zolak is trying to keep the Boston tradition of Johnny Most and Tom Heinson, with the absurd homerism....

 

Just a few examples of what I am talking about:

 

At one point, after an Allen run, Zolak refers to the "perfeclty legal hit" that Allen took in the last game the two teams played (when Allen got knocked out) and the "crying" that McDermott did over the hit.

 

- After Allen connects with Dawson Knox on the goal line (right before the first half ended), Zolak asks rhetorically "How do you let that bum complete that pass"?  He then says emphatically "You just can't let a QB like that make plays like that".

 

- After the td pass to Dion Dawkins, he insists that it shouldn't count, because he didn't report as a an eligible receiver...obviously Zolak was wrong.  He did, however give credit to "Dabes", who I can only assume was with NE when Zolak was palying for them. He complimented Daboll numerous times.

 

- After repeatedly insisting Allen couldn't handle the blitz (he even says Allen is "garbage" when blitzed), he writes of Allens' perfect TD pass to John Brown as "lucky", and says Allen "just chucked it up there".

 

- There were other things, non-Allen related.  He said the Bills were "a bunch of punks" for laughing at Julian Edeleman when he went down, trying to avoid a PI.  Anyone who was watching could see that he was faking, and he admitted it after the game.  He also insisted that the Bills were playing dirty, and that the refs were letting them get away with murder all game with late hits, and "extra-curricular" activity.  Was Zolak watching a different game than me?

 

 

Nah, you were just listening to a Pats homer that was watching the end of their era of domination.

[Do The Reich Thing]

2 hours ago, Buftex said:

Was going to start a separate thread on this, but then I figured it fit in this one... did anyone happen to hear the Patriots radio broadcast of this past weekends game?  I don't make it a habit to listen to this stuff, but I watched a Bills/Patriots game video recap that used the Patriots radio broadcast calls.  I was kinda shocked, so I went to NFL Game Pass to make sure I wasn't imagining things... Scott Zolak (former QB, Patriots radio color commentator) really hates Josh Allen, and the Bills.  I am normally watching Bills games on tv, so I don't really listen to Murph and Woods radio calls, but I am pretty sure they are nowhere near as over the top...I suppose Zolak is trying to keep the Boston tradition of Johnny Most and Tom Heinson, with the absurd homerism....

 

Just a few examples of what I am talking about:

 

At one point, after an Allen run, Zolak refers to the "perfeclty legal hit" that Allen took in the last game the two teams played (when Allen got knocked out) and the "crying" that McDermott did over the hit.

 

- After Allen connects with Dawson Knox on the goal line (right before the first half ended), Zolak asks rhetorically "How do you let that bum complete that pass"?  He then says emphatically "You just can't let a QB like that make plays like that".

 

- After the td pass to Dion Dawkins, he insists that it shouldn't count, because he didn't report as a an eligible receiver...obviously Zolak was wrong.  He did, however give credit to "Dabes", who I can only assume was with NE when Zolak was palying for them. He complimented Daboll numerous times.

 

- After repeatedly insisting Allen couldn't handle the blitz (he even says Allen is "garbage" when blitzed), he writes of Allens' perfect TD pass to John Brown as "lucky", and says Allen "just chucked it up there".

 

- There were other things, non-Allen related.  He said the Bills were "a bunch of punks" for laughing at Julian Edeleman when he went down, trying to avoid a PI.  Anyone who was watching could see that he was faking, and he admitted it after the game.  He also insisted that the Bills were playing dirty, and that the refs were letting them get away with murder all game with late hits, and "extra-curricular" activity.  Was Zolak watching a different game than me?

 

 

Zolak is a douche... always has been always will be

[Buftex]

2 hours ago, Do The Reich Thing said:

Zolak is a douche... always has been always will be

I guess so.  I had never heard his work before...for some reason, I assumed an ex-NFL QB would have a slightly more measured or cerebral tone...he sounded more like Fred Smerlas, without the accent.  I would hate it if our broadcast teams were this un-professional.  Living in Texas, I occasionally here the Texans and/or Cowboys radio broadcasts while I am driving, and while they are homers to be sure, they aren't complete a-holes.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Buftex

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/24/2019 at 7:08 AM, SoTier said:

 

You know what's really not a fun to watch???   Watching your team lose 9,10 or 11 games season after season for almost 20 years. 

 

I'm not a big Beane/McDermott fan, and I remain skeptical about the team's commitment to building a team truly good enough to compete seriously for the Super Bowl, but that's an issue for the off season  It doesn't diminish how great it feels as a fan to FINALLY have a Bills team that's not only competitive in every game, but also wins most of the time ... or a team that again has "nothing to play for" in week 17, but finally for the right reason: a clinched playoff berth.

 

How can you NOT find a December game in Foxborough with playoff seedings on the line for both teams entertaining, especially when the Bills not only played the defending Super Bowl champion Patriots close but also had a real chance to tie the game in the closing seconds???

 

Add in, tied at the half and had the lead for half the 3rd and the majority of the 4th Q (with a chance to tie at the end).

 

We aren't a great team yet, or even a good offense yet, but we CAN compete with anyone.

 

I do still fear that Belicheck/McDaniels vs McDermott/Daboll is a Farm Boy vs Vizzini battle of wits.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Buftex said:

Just a few examples of what I am talking about:

 

At one point, after an Allen run, Zolak refers to the "perfeclty legal hit" that Allen took in the last game the two teams played (when Allen got knocked out) and the "crying" that McDermott did over the hit.

 

If it was perfectly legal, why was it flagged?  NE argued that it wasn't flagrant and shouldn't have resulted in an ejection or a fine (I disagree, but it's arguable)

But it was, and should have been, flagged.

 

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- After Allen connects with Dawson Knox on the goal line (right before the first half ended), Zolak asks rhetorically "How do you let that bum complete that pass"?  He then says emphatically "You just can't let a QB like that make plays like that".

 

- After the td pass to Dion Dawkins, he insists that it shouldn't count, because he didn't report as a an eligible receiver...obviously Zolak was wrong.  He did, however give credit to "Dabes", who I can only assume was with NE when Zolak was palying for them. He complimented Daboll numerous times.

 

- After repeatedly insisting Allen couldn't handle the blitz (he even says Allen is "garbage" when blitzed), he writes of Allens' perfect TD pass to John Brown as "lucky", and says Allen "just chucked it up there".

 

 

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- There were other things, non-Allen related.  He said the Bills were "a bunch of punks" for laughing at Julian Edeleman when he went down, trying to avoid a PI.  Anyone who was watching could see that he was faking, and he admitted it after the game.  He also insisted that the Bills were playing dirty, and that the refs were letting them get away with murder all game with late hits, and "extra-curricular" activity.  Was Zolak watching a different game than me?

 

Apparently so.  Any comment on the two missed calls on flagrant face masks on Josh Allen right in front of referees?

 

Sounds like a DoushkaTeer, fo'shizzle

[thebandit27]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If it was perfectly legal, why was it flagged?  NE argued that it wasn't flagrant and shouldn't have resulted in an ejection or a fine (I disagree, but it's arguable)

But it was, and should have been, flagged.

 

 

 

 

Apparently so.  Any comment on the two missed calls on flagrant face masks on Josh Allen right in front of referees?

 

Sounds like a DoushkaTeer, fo'shizzle

 

Just ask Zolak about his playing career; that'll end the discussion real quick.

 

Josh has already accomplished far more in his young career than Zolak did in 55 games as a pro.

 

But Scotty will always have that magical run in 1998, when he played 6 games for NE and completed 42% of his passes for a 4.9 YPA with 3 TDs and 3 INTs. He's earned the right to talk some smack.

[Magox]

The coaching style, play calling and risk taking are not something that is an immovable and intransigent orthodoxy from McD.  As the offense, primarily Allen shows that they can win the complete or near complete trust of McD/Daboll then these things will change.  As SoTier mentioned earlier the belief at this stage of this team is that with their defense if they can jump out to a lead they look to go slightly more conservative.  They believe that if the offense doesn't turn it over they can win once they jump out to the lead.    I also believe that Allen had a couple early season turnovers once the Bills had a lead that changed the momentum of the game that nearly cost them and that has had a somewhat lasting impact on their decision making.

 

The problem with going more conservative is that with the good teams, more often than not that won't work when you are clinging to a small second half lead.   Allen has shown that he is capable of protecting the ball over the second half of the season and if they plan on winning a game or more in the playoffs then they will have to loosen up the reigns with Allen, even if they have a second half lead.

Edited December 27, 2019 by Magox

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/24/2019 at 12:06 PM, SoTier said:

 

I think that the philosophy McDermott is using is sound when a team has a young somewhat erratic QB -- get ahead, run the ball, depend on a stout D, and don't let a stupid mistake kill you -- but I don't think that the Bills have a good enough OL and RBs to execute it. 

 

Actually, McDermott/Daboll are doing some interesting things with offense that aren't the most obvious or sound things to do with a young QB (seemingly)

The prototypical thing to do with a young, developing QB is to run a lot, have him take the checkdown to the RB a lot, and throw a lot of screens.

 

We don't do those things.  I sometimes feel Singletary should be given a long fiberglass pole with an orange flag on it, like they put on Syracuse firehydrants.

 

I sometimes think they're crazy.  But then I wonder if Daboll is crazy like a Fox, and that part of his goal for this year is to force Josh to process what he sees downfield, at the expense of easy yards sometimes.

 

Either that, or Daboll needs to install a subliminal message in Josh's thoughts: "Take the Checkdown!" "Take the Checkdown!"  Take the Checkdown!"

 

I guess time will tell.  I'm sure Josh worked like a young demon last off season, but I hope he works like 2 young demons THIS offseason.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Actually, McDermott/Daboll are doing some interesting things with offense that aren't the most obvious or sound things to do with a young QB (seemingly)

The prototypical thing to do with a young, developing QB is to run a lot, have him take the checkdown to the RB a lot, and throw a lot of screens.

 

We don't do those things.  I sometimes feel Singletary should be given a long fiberglass pole with an orange flag on it, like they put on Syracuse firehydrants.

 

I sometimes think they're crazy.  But then I wonder if Daboll is crazy like a Fox, and that part of his goal for this year is to force Josh to process what he sees downfield, at the expense of easy yards sometimes.

 

Either that, or Daboll needs to install a subliminal message in Josh's thoughts: "Take the Checkdown!" "Take the Checkdown!"  Take the Checkdown!"

 

I guess time will tell.  I'm sure Josh worked like a young demon last off season, but I hope he works like 2 young demons THIS offseason.

 

I was replying to the criticism that some posters make that when the Bills get ahead, they get too conservative.  Maybe it's a tug of war between McDermott and Daboll, one wanting to not take chances once the team has a lead, and the other realizing that that lead can as easily be lost by 1 defensive mistake as by 1 offensive mistake.   Maybe Daboll recognizes that the Bills don't have a good enough trio of RBs to be a run first team like Seattle or Pittsburgh.

 

I think that the lack of offensive talent -- the starting skilled players are mostly decent or better but the second and third guys are well below average --- really limits what kind of offensive plays the Bills can run successfully.  I would like to see them run more and throw more to the backs out of the backfield, but you literally need a stable of speedy RBs to do that.   Hopefully upgrading the RB unit is a priority for next season.

[Big Gun]

ESPN stinks, havent watched any show other than live sports on that channel in probably 10+ years.

[Ralonzo]

On 12/26/2019 at 11:43 PM, Buftex said:

Was going to start a separate thread on this, but then I figured it fit in this one... did anyone happen to hear the Patriots radio broadcast of this past weekends game?  I don't make it a habit to listen to this stuff, but I watched a Bills/Patriots game video recap that used the Patriots radio broadcast calls.  I was kinda shocked, so I went to NFL Game Pass to make sure I wasn't imagining things... Scott Zolak (former QB, Patriots radio color commentator) really hates Josh Allen, and the Bills.  I am normally watching Bills games on tv, so I don't really listen to Murph and Woods radio calls, but I am pretty sure they are nowhere near as over the top...I suppose Zolak is trying to keep the Boston tradition of Johnny Most and Tom Heinson, with the absurd homerism....

 

Just a few examples of what I am talking about:

 

Zolak is just a bandwagon hopping fontrunning minister of propaganda that hates the fact that Allen's pinky has more arm talent than his duck chucking ignorant self could ever have had even with all PED's Edelman can smuggle in his prison wallet.

Edited December 28, 2019 by Ralonzo

[buffalobillswin]

 

 

Starts at 11:15. I'm going to guess this board is way to stubborn to apologize to LeBa-GOD!!!!

[Tcali]

2 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

 

 

Starts at 11:15. I'm going to guess this board is way to stubborn to apologize to LeBa-GOD!!!!

of course

[jrober38]

4 minutes ago, buffalobillswin said:

 

 

Starts at 11:15. I'm going to guess this board is way to stubborn to apologize to LeBa-GOD!!!!

 

The truth hurts sometimes. 

 

I watched with a bunch of non Bills fans and this pretty perfectly echoed their take following the game.

 

The sacks, the fumble, the lateral, the deep balls to Dimarco, the missed interceptions. It was a steady stream of how not to play QB in the NFL.