BigDingus Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! Well I can see your a Josh Allen hater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! Again I blame the coaches, their play calling & lack of imagination. They can't throw screens or slants either. Add to that they haven't given him one premier offensive skill position player to get the ball or a have a big receiver who can be an imposing target. They play for 17 points & then say they need more, but are the only team not to throw for 300 in 2017, 2018 & 2019..... Someone explain how that is possible. Yep I'll keep harping on it because it is an astounding fact. As for why 300, I don't see stats kept for games over 200, 225 or 250..... 300 is a pretty common benchmark used & how McD can't do it (he's the common factor in this run) I just don't understand. Edited December 20, 2019 by Billsfan1972 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! This is just too much. You need to quit man. He's a developing qb who's shown big signs of improvement in a year and leading a bunch of average players on offense to the playoffs. You can spin it any way you want, but in the big picture he is right on track where he needs to be. He has a decent o line, very average receivers, questionable offensive play calling, and below average tight ends. What exactly do you want from him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 minutes ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! Saying he plays almost identical to last year pretty much disqualifies you from any rational discussion about Allen. 7 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again I blame the coaches, their play calling & lack of imagination. They can't throw screens or slants either. Add to that they haven't given him one premier offensive skill position player to get the ball or a have a big receiver who can be an imposing target. They play for 17 points & then say they need more, but are the only team not to throw for 300 in 2017, 2018 & 2019..... Someone explain how that is possible. Yep I'll keep harping on it because it is an astounding fact. As for why 300, I don't see stats kept for games over 200, 225 or 250..... 300 is a pretty common benchmark used & how McD can't do it (he's the common factor in this run) I just don't understand. And your statements about how you want 300 yards just because it’s more exciting football, to the point of being OK ever if they lose, counts you out for rational discussion as well. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: Come on now. So you have a team that puts wins on the board before the last two minutes and that is used as a criticism? Allen looks lost? When? What I see is a young QB that plays his best in the fourth quarter. That’s a good thing to have. Why are some folks looking to find ways to criticize the kid? Everyone knows he hasn’t reached his potential yet but it comes across as wanting him to fail. I wanted Rosen. Wanted Watson before that. But I like what I see in Allen, has a lot of potential to grow. And he just seems to fit the community. He only seems to really stumble at the ends of regulation... that’s when it most noticeable... And I’m not bashing Allen...I want him to be elite...therefore I’m always comparing him to the best to see what he still needs to do to get there... as a fan you’re I’m always assessing where the team is and if they can go further. Josh has improved, no question...but he still needs to take another major leap next year imo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 45 minutes ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! 36 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Again I blame the coaches, their play calling & lack of imagination. They can't throw screens or slants either. Add to that they haven't given him one premier offensive skill position player to get the ball or a have a big receiver who can be an imposing target. They play for 17 points & then say they need more, but are the only team not to throw for 300 in 2017, 2018 & 2019..... Someone explain how that is possible. Yep I'll keep harping on it because it is an astounding fact. As for why 300, I don't see stats kept for games over 200, 225 or 250..... 300 is a pretty common benchmark used & how McD can't do it (he's the common factor in this run) I just don't understand. The Bills make the playoffs for the second time this century and you can be nothing but miserable d##ks all season because you just have to be right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: He only seems to really stumble at the ends of regulation... that’s when it most noticeable... And I’m not bashing Allen...I want him to be elite...therefore I’m always comparing him to the best to see what he still needs to do to get there... as a fan you’re I’m always assessing where the team is and if they can go further. Josh has improved, no question...but he still needs to take another major leap next year imo... Fair enough. I don’t know that I’d say major leap, but clearly you want any second year QB to continue improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! If I were you I wouldn't put yourself through the misery of watching any playoff games then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 hours ago, BigPappy said: I was laughing at this comment myself thinking "yeah, and if my Uncle had a *****; he would be my Aunt". It has to be the dumbest comment I have heard on sports talk TV in a long a$$ time. edit: Really? the system uses the * to edit out the medical term for female genitalia? Where have you been, that goes all the way back to Dan Marino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 i watched it...it wasnt that bad. cripe i thought they were murdering him based on the comments here. they made some good points.people around here are way too sensitive. Allen has all the time he needs over the next couple seasons to make them eat their words.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! Well, first of all, I don't see anyone predicting Allen is going to start playing at a different level. The point is that the level he has been playing at, while no where near what any of us want to see (including Allen) has either sufficed to beat some good teams (the Steelers defense v. good, Cowboys while uneven in their play are still leading their division, the Titans are tied for the division lead in wins and right in the hunt) or to hang close with good teams and at the end (Ravens, Patriots - although it was Barkley not Allen). I disagree about the "wide open" thing (I don't think mild-mannered soft-spoken John Brown says what he said without reason). The "holds onto the ball longer" thing has been nicely addressed by @syhuang elsewhere. What I'd like to address is the "plays almost identical to the way he did last season". If his center says he's "a ton" better than he was in week 4, and his coach (who is sparing of praise) says he's very pleased and Josh has progressed a lot, I guess we should give you more credibility for (*reasons*)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnycage46 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: This thread is going to look really humiliating for some people in a few weeks after our first playoff game. If you really think Josh Allen is going to rise to the occasion & start playing at a level he's not once shown he's capable of against good teams, your optimism has moved onto straight blindness. Just like in college, just like last year, he's showing when up against good teams he plays miserably. Even against bad teams he only plays "just good enough." There have been 2 games this year where he looked in control from start to finish, the 2nd Dolphins game (and which analyst is going to take that a serious sign of his skill?) and against Dallas when there was still an illusion they might be good. Every other time we're only in games because of a dominant defense. "Franchise" guys are supposed to do a LOT more. I mean he's nowhere near the QB's we passed over for him (Mahomes, Watson, Jackson), and at this rate it'd take years for him to approach that level. And they're right about how Baltimore played him. Just send the team rushing, leave people wide open and he'll still miss. He can't make reads fast enough, he holds onto the ball longer than anyone in the league, fumbles a lot, takes bad sacks often, and is more consistent on missing wide open targets than anyone I've seen. All that said, he CAN grow into something better, but how long will that take? He plays almost identical to the way he did last season. And just like last season, his best stretch of play was when we closed out 2018 with the weakest remaining schedule in the NFL, and coincidentally, Josh looked better! Shocking! Your name is absolutely perfect for this take. Congrats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 13 hours ago, kbarrettb said: Completion percentage means more. And lately he hasn’t completed nearly enough passes. They are winning sure but not because of Allen. Tre took back an interception to the what 17 yard line and we got 3 points. That’s not going to win you a game in the playoffs. Oh im sure it didnt have anything to do with gore run around right side stuffed,gore option pass snuffed and a lame draw with singletary...just ? conservative play calling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills and clippers fan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Very disrespectful commentary. No mention of the rush yards. Tds. Heck even the nice td pass to kroft. Nothing. Mention the bad. No problem. But highlight the good too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 16 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: If you don't "get" the show, fine, however if not a Bills fan & you look at the last two weeks & 17 points & 290 yards passing, you too would not think much of Allen..... So people are supposed to judge Allen solely based on two weeks against the toughest defenses in the NFL? Those two teams on average this season only allow around 17-18 ppg. Since week 5 both of those teams have allowed more than 17 points in a game twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: It’s more than just 300 yard games...he raises several interesting points that some fans are overlooking...at some point, if the Bills want to be consistent winners against good teams, Josh is going to need to prove he can do them- for example, have successful 2 minute drives at the end of regulation. It’s awesome and no one is denying it...but all the QBs on good teams are able to do things that Josh has not yet proven he can...it would be nice to know that if we are in certain situations, our QB can come through in the way the particular moment requires... Tom Brady kinda sucks this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just for the sake of ratings...so stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Bills are getting a lot of love tonight on national radio shows. But pundits are still hung up on Allen's completion percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Man! That guy Foxworth really has some serious dislike for Josh. Go to 5:11 when he starts spewing his hate. He just feels this is a one dimensional team and the Pats D will dominate Josh again regardless of how poorly their playing on offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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