Josh Allen - week FOURTEEN report card

[Billsfan1972]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think on that play Peters got his knee in there before the ball got to McKenzie and deflected it.

They showed one replay & I saw it hit him in the chest.....  Erased the game in disgust.

[SoCal Deek]

I cringe every time Josh rolls out to his right. He does it multiple times a game and the chance of anything good coming from it are pitiful. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:

They showed one replay & I saw it hit him in the chest.....  Erased the game in disgust.

 

I think of the drops yesterday that was the one I'd put least on the receiver.

[The Jokeman]

C- as he kept us in the game with field goal drives yet he hurt us with taking sacks or missing on some throws. Granted at times he was a victim of drops and bad blocking. He's second worse game of the season (New England still the top because of the INTs). I was a little upset we didn't see many designed runs to help maybe prevent the Ravens from blitzing so much and open up the middle of the field. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

The good thing about playing the best (or near best) teams is that you are stressed to the max. That is what you saw yesterday, and Josh doesn't get a pass because of this. He needs to learn and continue to develop. I give him a D+. Having said that the offensive coaching staff, the pass protection and the 10 thumbed receivers who can't get open enough also get very poor grades.

Edited December 9, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[Billsfan1972]

19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think of the drops yesterday that was the one I'd put least on the receiver.

Still was a drop & crucial as it was a TD!!!!  A great pass & would have been a very good catch (something he is paid to do).

[Stank_Nasty]

37 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think on that play Peters got his knee in there before the ball got to McKenzie and deflected it.

it was a really nice throw and I thought the replay showed it got into this chest. tough catch, but I thought he needed to haul it in.

 

allen wasn't good, pass catchers weren't good, line wasn't good.... yuck.

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

it was a really nice throw and I thought the replay showed it got into this chest. tough catch, but I thought he needed to haul it in.

 

allen wasn't good, pass catchers weren't good, line wasn't good.... yuck.

 

It did get into him but on a deflection right before it got there. I don't think he had time to adjust his hands. His hands were just to the left of him as he was falling to catch it on its original flight and the ball was deflected by Peters knee (as he fell in front of him) inches away from the catch point. Was a really tough catch.

[Mango]

C is average. This is what people think average QB play looks like in the NFL?

[Nanker]

Josh should have come off the bench to tackle that TE who went 61 yards untouched for a TD.

 

[jrober38]

Allen was horrible yesterday. 

 

He missed three wide open deep balls to Brown, Foster and Knox in the 1st quarter that all should have gone for long scores. For all his arm strength, his deep ball is one of the worst I've ever seen in the NFL. They're never even close to finding their targets. 

 

I was really hoping he turned a corner against the Cowboys, but yesterday was just awful.

 

The Pittsburgh game is huge. He needs to bounce back and put together a good game on the road against a quality opponent. 

 

[QCity]

5 minutes ago, Mango said:

C is average. This is what people think average QB play looks like in the NFL?

 

The bar for QB play is set low around here.

[Stank_Nasty]

14 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

Allen was horrible yesterday. 

 

He missed three wide open deep balls to Brown, Foster and Knox in the 1st quarter that all should have gone for long scores. For all his arm strength, his deep ball is one of the worst I've ever seen in the NFL. They're never even close to finding their targets. 

 

I was really hoping he turned a corner against the Cowboys, but yesterday was just awful.

 

The Pittsburgh game is huge. He needs to bounce back and put together a good game on the road against a quality opponent. 

 

was wondering when this guy would show up.... been pretty quiet the last 3 weeks. wonder why.....

[Mrbojanglezs]

Rams only put up 6 against them, San Francisco only put up 17, Texans only put up 6, New England only put up 20, Seattle only put up 16.

 

Allen didn't play good but he was getting killed and pressured all day, they blitzed 50% of the time. Didn't seem like Daboll's game plan had many hot options for Allen.

Given that we put up more points than most other good teams did....I say Allen is at least a C, not sure how the Ds are justified given the opponent and the game script...

23 minutes ago, Mango said:

C is average. This is what people think average QB play looks like in the NFL?

 

Considering what other teams were doing against the Ravens, yes

Edited December 9, 2019 by Mrbojanglezs

[zow2]

When people are grading Josh, are they looking around at other NFL games and QB performances?    A guy like Drew Lock, who looks 12 years old and scared to death threw for 309 yds, 81%, 3 TDs  AT Houston.      

 

I want Josh to succeed, but he can't be shut down so easily by every good defense he plays against.   That was maybe a D performance at best yesterday. 

[HeHateMe]

He was atrocious for most of the game.. His poor play adds stress to our already poor offense.  Guys start dropping balls, making mistakes, etc.  

 

Dabol was bad again but if Josh hits on any of those deep throws (0 for again), the whole complexion of the game changes and probably makes play calling a little easier.

 

The numbers on Josh passing over 20 yards has to be the worst all time this season right?  It's comically bad.

[jrober38]

15 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Rams only put up 6 against them, San Francisco only put up 17, Texans only put up 6, New England only put up 20, Seattle only put up 16.

 

Allen didn't play good but he was getting killed and pressured all day, they blitzed 50% of the time. Didn't seem like Daboll's game plan had many hot options for Allen.

Given that we put up more points than most other good teams did....I say Allen is at least a C, not sure how the Ds are justified given the opponent and the game script...

 

Considering what other teams were doing against the Ravens, yes

 

The issue is there were plays to be made yesterday.

 

Allen missed 3 wide open deep touchdowns in the first quarter alone.

 

His deep ball is laughably bad. 

[Big Turk]

17 hours ago, rayray808 said:

WEEK 1: B-

WEEK 2: B

WEEK 3: C+

WEEK 4: F

WEEK 5: B+

WEEK 7: B

WEEK 8: D+

WEEK 9: B+

WEEK 10: B-

WEEK 11: A

WEEK 12: B

WEEK 13: A

 

WEEK 14: C

 

17/39 - 146 yards - 44% completion - 1 TD - 9 yards rushing - 6 sacks - 1 fumble

 

The good: We went toe to toe with the top team in the AFC and had a chance to tie it at the end

 

The bad: Our defense is what kept us in it, and our RB/TE/WRʻs had some pretty bad drops that would have extended drives.

 

The ugly: Josh missed many throws that would have been HUGE gains, and took sacks that absolutely killed us... including the fumble.

 

All in all, I decided to keep it simple this week because we all saw the same thing: our offense blew a big game for us and has now caused us to lose to the top two teams in the AFC.

 

GO BILLS!

 

We don't do well against teams that can run Cover 0 effectively and have 3 good CB's that can play press man.  Realistically the only ones that can are New England and Baltimore, at least in the AFC.  Allen needs to be able to connect on shots down the field against them and he hasn't been able to at all this year.

[MJS]

D+

[rayray808]

On one hand: he is just a sophomore, improvement is not linear, and the team seems to rally around him even when times are bad.

 

On the other hand: his deep ball is atrocious, he fumbles the ball almost every time he gets his, and his bad play has single handedly caused us to lose vs the Pats and Ravens.

 

I still have faith that he will be our franchise however I really hope that by the end of this year he can remove the stigma of fans already knowing that itʻs "bad Josh" who showed up to play that day.

[Billl]

38 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

The issue is there were plays to be made yesterday.

 

Allen missed 3 wide open deep touchdowns in the first quarter alone.

 

His deep ball is laughably bad. 

So many posters are excusing Josh's performance because he was under heavy pressure most of the game.  The problem is that they're ignoring the reason for the pressure.  Baltimore was able to pick their ears back and blitz because they weren't afraid of Allen beating them over the top.  The Ravens basically decided that they didn't need their safeties to defend passes, and it's not because their corners weren't getting beat.  It's because JA was missing his receivers by 5 yards.  If he's even close on those throws, Wink would have had to be more judicious with his blitzes.

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

So many posters are excusing Josh's performance because he was under heavy pressure most of the game.  The problem is that they're ignoring the reason for the pressure.  Baltimore was able to pick their ears back and blitz because they weren't afraid of Allen beating them over the top.  The Ravens basically decided that they didn't need their safeties to defend passes, and it's not because their corners weren't getting beat.  It's because JA was missing his receivers by 5 yards.  If he's even close on those throws, Wink would have had to be more judicious with his blitzes.

 

I hadn't even considered this.

 

Really great point. 

[Dopey]

D+

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

Allen was horrible yesterday. 

 

He missed three wide open deep balls to Brown, Foster and Knox in the 1st quarter that all should have gone for long scores. For all his arm strength, his deep ball is one of the worst I've ever seen in the NFL. They're never even close to finding their targets. 

 

I was really hoping he turned a corner against the Cowboys, but yesterday was just awful.

 

The Pittsburgh game is huge. He needs to bounce back and put together a good game on the road against a quality opponent. 

 

Look who decided to show up to the party. I figured you would be back after yesterday. You really dont have any dignity do you?

[Jrb1979]

16 hours ago, Reader said:

 

Right, as of now Josh is playing like a below average franchise QB, good enough to win the games against bad defenses, but will stink it up from time to time. If he learns from this I am extremely excited about his play going forward.

Fixed it for you. So far against the teams with good defenses he has played below average. That should be a cause for concern. These next 2 games he plays 2 good defenses. These games plus the Ravens game will show if Allen has really turned a corner. 

[BillsFan692]

D. Would have been an F if not for fourth quarter heroics

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Rams only put up 6 against them, San Francisco only put up 17, Texans only put up 6, New England only put up 20, Seattle only put up 16.

 

Allen didn't play good but he was getting killed and pressured all day, they blitzed 50% of the time. Didn't seem like Daboll's game plan had many hot options for Allen.

Given that we put up more points than most other good teams did....I say Allen is at least a C, not sure how the Ds are justified given the opponent and the game script...

 

Considering what other teams were doing against the Ravens, yes

 

Average QB Play against the Ravens Defense: 

21/35- 219 yards- .85 TD/.85 INT- 5.8 yards/per attempt

 

Josh Allen: 

17/39- 146 yards- 1 TD/0 INT- 3.75 yards per attempt

 

Our QB did not in fact perform to average performance against the Baltimore defense. 

[BillsFan692]

3 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Fixed it for you. So far against the teams with good defenses he has played below average. That should be a cause for concern. These next 2 games he plays 2 good defenses. These games plus the Ravens game will show if Allen has really turned a corner. 

He just played what is considered the best overall team in the NFL and lost by 7 while being on their 20 to score.

 

I like our chances against Steelers/jets

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

was wondering when this guy would show up.... been pretty quiet the last 3 weeks. wonder why.....

 

There's no point. He's already said that he won't show up when the Bills win OR when Josh plays well because "there's nothing to talk about".

 

He basically staked his reputation on "Allen is horrible" back in March of 2018 and so now he's married to it.

 

[Jrb1979]

Just now, BillsFan692 said:

He just played what is considered the best overall team in the NFL and lost by 7 while being on their 20 to score.

 

I like our chances against Steelers/jets

The Bills defense carried them to being that close in the game. Allen wasn't good. His deep ball is awful. I watch around the league and I see deep ball passes that completed quite often. Allen struggles with it. 

[zow2]

22 minutes ago, Billl said:

So many posters are excusing Josh's performance because he was under heavy pressure most of the game.  The problem is that they're ignoring the reason for the pressure.  Baltimore was able to pick their ears back and blitz because they weren't afraid of Allen beating them over the top.  The Ravens basically decided that they didn't need their safeties to defend passes, and it's not because their corners weren't getting beat.  It's because JA was missing his receivers by 5 yards.  If he's even close on those throws, Wink would have had to be more judicious with his blitzes.

 

It's the old saying, Baltimore decided to make Josh exclusively a pocket passer and he failed.  Failed miserably.  And his receivers failed him too on about 4 or 5 occasions.  And the O-line broke down as well a few times.  So it's on all of them but the QB has the most control to elevate guys up and mask some of the deficiencies.   The Patriots also tried to make him a pocket passer in the game in September and Josh wasn't good.  

McDermott keeps saying over and over "we have to learn from it"..  OK, start learning to beat that system!!  

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Baltimore was unrelenting with the blitzes and pass rush. The wind was obviously a factor and ironically he throws better into it then with it. That being said allot of missed opportunities between overthrows and drops. I feel like we abandon the run for long stretches of the game when that was our most effective way to move the ball. I give Josh a C for his performance but a big A for the heart and toughness he showed while he was getting battered.

[BillsFan692]

10 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

The Bills defense carried them to being that close in the game. Allen wasn't good. His deep ball is awful. I watch around the league and I see deep ball passes that completed quite often. Allen struggles with it. 

No QB is perfect they have all had bad games and they all miss deep throws which by definition are statistically low percentage completions.

 

You are just an Allen hater whose bias shows in emotional hot takes after a loss.

 

I dont think allen played great, but watching the NFL for so many years ive seen lots of great QBs not play great.

[Stank_Nasty]

33 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

There's no point. He's already said that he won't show up when the Bills win OR when Josh plays well because "there's nothing to talk about".

 

He basically staked his reputation on "Allen is horrible" back in March of 2018 and so now he's married to it.

 

I actually remember this.... how pathetic is that?

[thebandit27]

12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I actually remember this.... how pathetic is that?

 

I find it more odd than anything else. But then again, if you're married to a take and are willing to go down with it, I suppose it makes some sense.

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

I find it more odd than anything else. But then again, if you're married to a take and are willing to go down with it, I suppose it makes some sense.

only showing up to spout off after crappy games that fit your narrative is pathetic. hands down. 

[ngbills]

17 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I actually remember this.... how pathetic is that?

When there are concerns there is generally much more to talk about. If Allen goes 20-20 and Bills win it is kind of pointless to be in a discussion of - Hey Allen played great what do you think? I agree, that pass to Know was amazing. My favorite was the one to Brown. Some real good takes there...

He plays bad it is -how can we fix this? Can we beat a team in the playoffs with this offense? Do we run more to set up the pass? Do we keep in more blockers. Much more discussion to be had. 

 

Unless we intend this to be a who is the biggest cheerleader contest?

[whorlnut]

5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

only showing up to spout off after crappy games that fit your narrative is pathetic. hands down. 

Jrober38 was one of the worst on the old Bills message board and it’s not surprising that the clown is one of the worst here. 
 

But saying you won’t be on after the Bills win and Allen looks good is extremely pathetic. Cowardly, in fact...

[Pokebball]

17 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

Give the kid a break he also erased a few immediate pressures  by escaping and getting rid of the ball  He missed on several deep passes early that could have swung the game  After that he took a severe beating but hung in there  O line sucked and Daboll continues to call endless route combos that take too much time.  Also the empty set negates the ability to run draws/screens/swing passes to slow down the pass rush  He played poorly but lot of blame to pass around

This is where I am.  Mistakes of teammates in a team sport snowball and impact the performance of all.

[Pokebball]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

 

It's the old saying, Baltimore decided to make Josh exclusively a pocket passer and he failed.  Failed miserably.  And his receivers failed him too on about 4 or 5 occasions.  And the O-line broke down as well a few times.  So it's on all of them but the QB has the most control to elevate guys up and mask some of the deficiencies.   The Patriots also tried to make him a pocket passer in the game in September and Josh wasn't good.  

McDermott keeps saying over and over "we have to learn from it"..  OK, start learning to beat that system!!  

In my humble opinion, the times when the pocket didn't break down was the exception yesterday.  The edges were runways straight to our QB.  The offense as a whole just didn't execute.  I'm so frustrated with the blocking on our screens and flat routes.  These are badly needed against blitzes and our WRs and even TEs are constantly missing their blocking assignments.  There was one yesterday where Beas was behind Singletary instead of out in front of him.  The entire scheme on these is missing and missing badly.  If I was an opposing DC, I'd blitz all the time until we get these fixed.