Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Overrated and has a punchable face. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 He can remember play calls from 10 years ago, that’s gotta be worth something. And him knowing the opposing teams defensive players is borderline elite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Wasn’t the huge craze on here that you HAD to have an offensive head coach to win in today’s league? Nagy, Pederson, McVay all with their young quarterbacks have shown serious regression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Is he really an offensive guru or has he been exposed as kinda a one year wonder? He had 2 great years, so can't be a "one year" wonder. Having one down season after 2 great ones doesn't mean he's exposed. If anything Goff's limitations are being exposed more than Mcvay. Gurley's been banged up throughout the year, and Kupp has been injured off & on too, combine that with playing in the toughest division in the NFL it's not surprising they took a step back. But considering they still have a winning record, can't say he's washed up or anything. 3 years & 3 winning records when the Rams were a complete disaster for years prior to his arrival still says he's a good coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Is he really an offensive guru or has he been exposed as kinda a one year wonder? so far he has been exposed, next year will tell if he can tweak his system to make it work. If he cant he was a one year wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 hours ago, SirAndrew said: It’s a copy cat league, and Belichick really gave the league a blueprint on how to stop the Rams in last years Super Bowl. Actually the Bears gave the league the blue print last year in the regular season on how to stop the Rams offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 His first real turmoil as an NFL head coach. He's 30-12 up to this point with a SB appearance. The root of their offensive problems is their o-line. It went from one of the best to one of the worst within one season. The loss of their center (Sullivan) and guard (Sarrod) and replacing them with no names has caused the other starters to regress. Defenses are just playing a 6-1 scheme that's shutting down their running game. That makes the play action that Goff relies on less effective and forces him into 3rd and longs which isn't good for any QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, SCBills said: How does a bad OL magically come together? They have no money and no draft picks to address it. That line looked like they might be coming together last week, and voila, suddenly Gurley miraculously came out of his mysterious funk. And that's with two injured starters in Noteboom and Allen still out. Both should be back next year. Here's a good article on how much movement there's been on that OL before they started to get things together last week. There's a decent chance that just staying healthy next year could at least make them decent. Excerpt: "This was the starting offensive line in Week 1 of 2019: LT: Andrew Whitworth LG: Joseph Noteboom? Brian Allen RG: Austin Blythe RT: Rob Havenstein "This is the starting offensive line in Week 11: LT - Andrew Whitworth (204 starts) LG - Austin Corbett (1 starts) C - Austin Blythe (26 starts) RG - David Edwards (3 starts) RT - Bobby Evans (0 starts) "Here’s the combinations of OL play. As you can see, there’s been a ton of moving around for some guys and hardly any consistency: "LT: Andrew Whitworth "LG: Joe NoteboomJamil Demby David Edwards Austin BlytheAustin Corbett "C:Brian Allen Austin Blythe "RG: Austin Blythe David EdwardsColeman Shelton RT:Rob Havenstein David Edwards Bobby Evans (this week) https://www.turfshowtimes.com/2019/11/14/20965219/2019-los-angeles-rams-nfl-offensive-line-rob-havenstein-andrew-whitworth-austin-blythe The article goes on to predict a disaster against the Bears, and yet what they actually got was solid OL performance. And while it's true they have no first rounder, after that they have a 2nd, a 3rd, a 4th, another 4th, a third 4th, and a 6th and a 7th. We got Cody Ford not all that far ahead of where they're picking in the 2nd, and the Texans got starter Max Scharping at almost exactly where they're picking. We also got four very good solid FAs for not all that much in FA this year. They will only need about one to get back on their feet again on the OL, IMO. Not that one game proves anything. But that's my guess about what will happen as things move forward. Edited November 26, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 7 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: This is where I am as well. McVay might be good. Goff is not. I am completely the opposite. Goff hasn't played great this year but watch their offense. Schematically it is a hot mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Actually the Bears gave the league the blue print last year in the regular season on how to stop the Rams offense. I see your Bears and raise you the Detroit Lions the week previously. Detroit didn't have the personnel to execute it sufficiently to win but it was they - and indeed Matt Patricia - who cottoned on to the fact that the sweep motion is window dressing and you should ignore it. That way rather than committing secondary guys in run support you can leave them deep and cover the play action (which was where practically all their deep shots came from). The Bears followed that template the next week and by the time we got to the Superbowl and Belichick married that with the bear front to take away the early down running game..... well it was curtains for McVay and the Rams. They have been desperately trying to catch up ever since. 6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: I think it’s the opposite. McVay has been figured out. How many times did they run that misdirection screen tonight and lose 5 yards? 5 times? You would be right too. Okay the first pick was a bad throw by Goff but otherwise he played pretty well. Made some nice tight window throws (because suddenly there are not receivers running wide open for the Rams *HINT* scheme figured out) and generally executed what was called. The problem is the offensive scheme. Everyone knows what is coming. It's a hot mess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 hours ago, MJS said: Well, well. Looks like the tables have turned. I took a lot of flak for saying that Goff isn't that good of a QB and could never put the team on his back and will them to victory. People cited his big contract extension and the "genius" McVay for why I was wrong. Well, Goff if proving me right. He's nothing more than an average QB, and recently he's looking even less than that. Goff is the one who put up less than 10 points, though. Is he? Was Goff calling the plays in their failed redzone trips? Because that was some shambolic play design. It's McVay. He has been worked out and he can't adjust. Now I will grant you Goff has proved he isn't a top 10 QB because he hasn't shown the ability to put the team on his back and overcome yet - which is what top 10 guys do even when the scheme is a shambles and the playcalling sucks. But I suspect most QBs would be struggling in that offense. It has become the most predictable offense in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 7 hours ago, warrior9 said: Jared Goff isn't good. Against the blitz. With a clean pocket, he'll carve a defense up. McVay needs an elite offensive line for his offense to work. Anything less and they're average to below average. His inability to make adjustments is the mark of a bad coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Well, Goff wasn't the one who gave up 42 of those points. I know he's not the DC, but as HC ultimately McVay is responsible Whilst true, not really part of the question. McVay was never mentioned as a defensive genius. He built his resume on offense and you really can't get a more safe hire than Wade from an historical perspective. It's also true that Goff's ineffectiveness did nothing to support the defense. I saw a QB who didn't have a clue. McVay may rise from the ashes, or he may end up being another square peg kind of coach. I heard recently that LA has an out on Goff's contract that won't kill them financially. They'll be wise to use it. Not to go too far out on a limb, the Rams illustrate why it's imperative for a team to get to the promised land whilst the QB is on his rookie contract. As soon as all of those dollars are tied up in that one position it becomes much more difficult to put a solid team around him. Every personnel mistake is magnified. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said: Whilst true, not really part of the question. McVay was never mentioned as a defensive genius. He built his resume on offense and you really can't get a more safe hire than Wade from an historical perspective. It's also true that Goff's ineffectiveness did nothing to support the defense. I saw a QB who didn't have a clue. McVay may rise from the ashes, or he may end up being another square peg kind of coach. I heard recently that LA has an out on Goff's contract that won't kill them financially. They'll be wise to use it. Not to go too far out on a limb, the Rams illustrate why it's imperative for a team to get to the promised land whilst the QB is on his rookie contract. As soon as all of those dollars are tied up in that one position it becomes much more difficult to put a solid team around him. Every personnel mistake is magnified. Whereas I saw a coordinator (who also happens to be the Head Coach) who didn't have a clue and hasn't been able to adjust for weeks now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 When he had two full weeks to adjust for BB and the Pats but didn’t change anything...I fell out of love. I’d still let his wife take me out to dinner but that’s mostly because I’m a merciful being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, CommonCents said: When he had two full weeks to adjust for BB and the Pats but didn’t change anything...I fell out of love. I’d still let his wife take me out to dinner but that’s mostly because I’m a merciful being. He hasn't changed anything since he has been there. It is just the Shanahan stretch zone out of 11 personnel with lots of pre-snap motion. We get it. It looked great for a bit. Then the league worked it out and now.... well now it just looks like an offense coordinated by a more handsome version of Rick Dennison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Whereas I saw a coordinator (who also happens to be the Head Coach) who didn't have a clue and hasn't been able to adjust for weeks now. As I said, could be just another square peg coordinator, perhaps that didn't translate well. Goff is bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Just now, Cripple Creek said: As I said, could be just another square peg coordinator, perhaps that didn't translate well. Goff is bad. See I am not saying Goff is good.... I just don't think that much of this is on him. He is the one for whom the jury remains out on in my opinion. The one the jury has returned a guilty verdict on is the boy wonder HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 He and Sneed forgot you win up front. The O line stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: See I am not saying Goff is good.... I just don't think that much of this is on him. He is the one for whom the jury remains out on in my opinion. The one the jury has returned a guilty verdict on is the boy wonder HC. And I am oppo. McVay might go back to the drawing board and develop. Goff shows as much awareness on the field as EJ, but no more. He was fed the answers to the test just before the mic clicked off. Now that defenses have adapted it's apparent that he doesn't have the skill to make it on his own. We disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: And I am oppo. McVay might go back to the drawing board and develop. Goff shows as much awareness on the field as EJ, but no more. He was fed the answers to the test just before the mic clicked off. Now that defenses have adapted it's apparent that he doesn't have the skill to make it on his own. We disagree. We do. And can I just say the mic thing is the most overblown narrative in sports. I watched plenty of Rams games when they were rolling where they were not at the line super early every time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 At the height of the Rams run Gurley was playing some of the best football I have ever seen a RB play. That is worth a mention. It still doesn’t excuse the lack of creativity from a guy who was so highly praised. He is average at best, I think he knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We do. And can I just say the mic thing is the most overblown narrative in sports. I watched plenty of Rams games when they were rolling where they were not at the line super early every time OK, tell you what, if, in four years Goff is still a starting QB in the NFL you get New Jersey back. If he isn't we get Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: OK, tell you what, if, in four years Goff is still a starting QB in the NFL you get New Jersey back. If he isn't we get Ireland. Haha. I'd sign up for that. We don't own Ireland though unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 hours ago, warrior9 said: Jared Goff isn't good. I think their O line is probably what took a step back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: How stupid were the Rams to guarantee this guy 110 million before his option became available. He couldn't get his pen out fast enough to sign that thing. Can't blame him though................... Yeah as soon as I saw that deal... the first thought that went through my head was ... "I've got some bad news for the Rams future" haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Is he really an offensive guru or has he been exposed as kinda a one year wonder? Winning? Good! Losing? Bad, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 He's a bright coach but he needs to evolve. The Patriots punched him in the face in the Super Bowl and he didn't have a counter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 League caught up and hasn’t adjusted. Great coaches adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 One Year Wonder comes to mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Is he really an offensive guru or has he been exposed as kinda a one year wonder? Not a one year wonder as he has at least 2 good seasons but i think Goff has been exposed as a QB that can't play once McVay isn't holding his hand. Goff looks terrible and McVay is partially at fault for not developing him properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 McVay was Andre the Giant at one point, but the NFL has turned into Hulk Hogan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 10 hours ago, Reader said: Yeah, I think McVay is a good coach, but severely overrated during last year. I could be wrong, but my guess is Rams fans have really frustrating All 22's where play design works but Goff misses things. A good coach should be able to adjust strategies and game plans per the evolving roster. McVay has not shown an ability to adjust to anything. It is likely he is just a mind with a couple of bright ideas and limited ability to be flexible. I am surprised how ineffective a Wade Phillips coached Defense was last night. As good as Jackson was last night, the D just did not change throughout the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Process said: League caught up to him. Still a good coach but can no longer work wonders with a garbage QB. $110mm guaranteed for Goff and two first round picks for a CB. Rams are a prime example of how to not build a team. They are screwed and will be bad for the next few years before they can finally move on from Goff and will start a total rebuild. Giving big contracts to guys like Goff and Wentz will set a franchise back for years. They are desperate to remain a SB caliber team for the opening of their $5b stadium. That’s what the mortgage-the-future strategy is about. I’m not sure if Gurley ever got back to 100% after his injury last year, but either way his OL fell apart and the offense cratered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I'm pretty shocked at how their offense looks now. I felt he was the new and young innovator going to take the league by storm....it certainly looked like that in the last two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: See I am not saying Goff is good.... I just don't think that much of this is on him. He is the one for whom the jury remains out on in my opinion. The one the jury has returned a guilty verdict on is the boy wonder HC. The evidence is what’s happened in Green Bay where LaFleur is using a variation of the same scheme. Their offense has been snuffed out a few times this year, and that can’t be blamed on incompetent QB play. Against SF it certainly seemed like the 9ers D knew exactly what the play calls were. They shut down A Jones and then went after Rodgers relentlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Lombardi on Goff The problem? The Lead musician (Goff) can play only one song- a drop back QB. He’s getting tired of getting hit. Wants 5 Steamboats & check the Runners at First & Third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Junction said: The evidence is what’s happened in Green Bay where LaFleur is using a variation of the same scheme. Their offense has been snuffed out a few times this year, and that can’t be blamed on incompetent QB play. Against SF it certainly seemed like the 9ers D knew exactly what the play calls were. They shut down A Jones and then went after Rodgers relentlessly. This is a very good point. There was a lot in common about Green Bay on SNF and the Rams on MNF in terms of their offensive ineptitude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 The Rams also don't have a 1st round pick in either of the next 2 drafts. Good luck getting a new QB or elite OL. McVay will probably get 1 more season before being shown the door, but he'll be leaving that team in shambles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Maybe Brady goes to the Rams next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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