Mikie2times Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I suppose it depends on your definition of done. Is he good enough to run an efficient offense? Sure. Can he lead his team to a solid record with great defensive play? Sure. Will his QB rating look appealing? Sure. Are you still scared of him putting New England on his back and willing them to victory? Not at all. Are you still thinking a loss is all but guaranteed if the game is close and New England has the ball last? Not at all. It's the start of the demise. How much longer until it turns into an abrupt decline? Not sure. He's not showing accuracy like he has in the past. Not the same pocket presence. Instead of just being annoyed by the pass rush he is completely wilting and becoming more Trent than Tom in his check down frequency. He's afraid of getting hit and can't get the ball downfield. Setting his own personal records multiple times this season as far as passing inefficiency. For the first time I'm not nervous about New England because of Tom Brady. That defense with an above average QB is a very difficult out, but he is no longer playing like the GOAT and the decline is coming. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He's good enough to manage a game. And right now, that's all the Pats need... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I mean Peyton Manning was pretty done during his last SB winning season. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I suppose it depends on your definition of done. Is he good enough to run an efficient offense? Sure. Can he lead his team to a solid record with great defensive play? Sure. Will his QB rating look appealing? Sure. Are you still scared of him putting New England on his back and willing them to victory? Not at all. Are you still thinking a loss is all but guaranteed if the game is close and New England has the ball last? Not at all. It's the start of the demise. How much longer until it turns into an abrupt decline? Not sure. He's not showing accuracy like he has in the past. Not the same pocket presence. Instead of just being annoyed by the pass rush he is completely wilting and becoming more Trent than Tom in his check down frequency. He's afraid of getting hit and can't get the ball downfield. Setting his own personal records multiple times this season as far as passing inefficiency. For the first time I'm not nervous about New England because of Tom Brady. That defense with an above average QB is a very difficult out, but he is no longer playing like the GOAT and the decline is coming. Lol let’s see how he looks after Wynn is back at RT and he gets a second scan the field and more importantly let’s see how Harry and Sanu do now that they are both in the offense and will have a few games under their belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Brady is dangerous until he’s retired. The way to beat New England is to run for over 200 and win the time of possession BG +10 minutes. That’s been the formula for 20 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He isn't done I don't think, but I also don't think he is playing until 45. At best I think he has another year in him. He probably should just hang it up after this season really. Edelman is still a monster for him. If he went down, I don't think they would move the ball all that much anymore. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: He isn't done I don't think, but I also don't think he is playing until 45. At best I think he has another year in him. He probably should just hang it up after this season really. Edelman is still a monster for him. If he went down, I don't think they would move the ball all that much anymore. Great post! Edelman is his lifeline and Edelman had like 4 drops today including a TD drop. But I totally agree Edelman runs the O, although Sanu seems be getting into a groove with Brady now too.. but right now Edelman the man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Yes that’s actually going to be Gronk’s big announcement this week 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said: Great post! Edelman is his lifeline and Edelman had like 4 drops today including a TD drop. But I totally agree Edelman runs the O, although Sanu seems be getting into a groove with Brady now too.. but right now Edelman the man Do you call him “Jules” like all the diehard Pats fans? He’s a little, steroid filled, cheater so go ahead and post his picture inside your locker if you need to. 2 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He has 2-3 years left as an effective game manager. The guy at 45 will probably be more effective than half the starters in the league. But not entirely sure why he would want to play at that level. Just go out on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Do you call him “Jules” like all the diehard Pats fans? He’s a little, steroid filled, cheater so go ahead and post his picture inside your locker if you need to. Yikes, man. It’s just a game. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Yes I think Brady is done. He was done last year too. Problem is his line holds like crazy and he just doinks it off to some wide open wr the D forgot to cover. One good hit and he'll never play again. I have no idea why teams don't just hit him late. Shoulda been done for years. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He can't throw a laser 50+ yards but he still has some gas left in that arm. I see another year at the very least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, peterpan said: Yes I think Brady is done. He was done last year too. Problem is his line holds like crazy and he just doinks it off to some wide open wr the D forgot to cover. One good hit and he'll never play again. I have no idea why teams don't just hit him late. Shoulda been done for years. he actually does a good job of avoiding huge hits. He sort of folds into the fetal position before a hit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 The end is nigh!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He wont be done, until he starts losing more then he wins. If he can play like he is this year, but still wins, he is still having fun. Football will only stop being fun for him when winning seems to elude him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theAteam Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 He's like the ultimate game manager at this point. He will absolutely not lose you a game. He's pretty much an OC with his IQ so he can win them a game but against good defenses he's just not making the insane throws he used to. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Silvio said: Yikes, man. It’s just a game. You must be new here. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Yes that’s actually going to be Gronk’s big announcement this week From your keyboard to God's ears. Edited November 18, 2019 by The Wiz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: You must be new here. Awww. You two with reactions must be Jules’ fans. That’s cute. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 he is not the qb he was in his prime but he is still up there with the best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Do you call him “Jules” like all the diehard Pats fans? He’s a little, steroid filled, cheater so go ahead and post his picture inside your locker if you need to. Great player. Massive jerk. The way he was pulling on Maddox's neck today should have drawn a penalty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, wvbillsfan said: The end is nigh!!!!! I was gonna say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Not done He is definitely at the lowest grade he has been in his career though. They have made it work with the defense this season. The head is still there though, as the synergy with mcdaniels, belichick, and edelman Edited November 18, 2019 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Great player. Massive jerk. The way he was pulling on Maddox's neck today should have drawn a penalty. Yep...pulled him backwards in a “horse collar” manner. Yet....he’s Jules!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Based on today, it’s pretty clear it’s Josh Allen’s league now. Brady should just retire now. Save him the trouble of being curb stomped by Allen. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Game manager but he is absolutely done 36 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Great post! Edelman is his lifeline and Edelman had like 4 drops today including a TD drop. But I totally agree Edelman runs the O, although Sanu seems be getting into a groove with Brady now too.. but right now Edelman the man TD drop was jarred loose by a big hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Yep...pulled him backwards in a “horse collar” manner. Yet....he’s Jules!!!!!! Pee Oh Ess. and, no Brady isn’t done. Like others have said, he’s average and manages the game. Won’t make any bone headed mistakes, manages the clock and does enough to let his defense win games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: Yep...pulled him backwards in a “horse collar” manner. Yet....he’s Jules!!!!!! I don't like him, but it was clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Hes done as an elite QB. He is now an average-to-above average QB. Good enough for New England to be a top team this year with the way their D is playing. If he plays next year, it is going to be a tough year for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Even when they struggle they win, Edelman lasered that touchdown pass right in there , so frustrating. Im done with this team !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 6 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Do you call him “Jules” like all the diehard Pats fans? He’s a little, steroid filled, cheater so go ahead and post his picture inside your locker if you need to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Scott7975 said: He isn't done I don't think, but I also don't think he is playing until 45. At best I think he has another year in him. He probably should just hang it up after this season really. Edelman is still a monster for him. If he went down, I don't think they would move the ball all that much anymore. There was just a recent comment that now he wants to play until 47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 7 hours ago, KzooMike said: I suppose it depends on your definition of done. Is he good enough to run an efficient offense? Sure. Can he lead his team to a solid record with great defensive play? Sure. Will his QB rating look appealing? Sure. Are you still scared of him putting New England on his back and willing them to victory? Not at all. Are you still thinking a loss is all but guaranteed if the game is close and New England has the ball last? Not at all. It's the start of the demise. How much longer until it turns into an abrupt decline? Not sure. He's not showing accuracy like he has in the past. Not the same pocket presence. Instead of just being annoyed by the pass rush he is completely wilting and becoming more Trent than Tom in his check down frequency. He's afraid of getting hit and can't get the ball downfield. Setting his own personal records multiple times this season as far as passing inefficiency. For the first time I'm not nervous about New England because of Tom Brady. That defense with an above average QB is a very difficult out, but he is no longer playing like the GOAT and the decline is coming. That’s the good news. The bad news is that the Pats are still 9-1 with average QB play, and if they can find an average starter after Brady retires (spoiler alert: Belichick will do better than that) they will remain a very good team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Ranchod Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Posted about a guy whose team just beat a year-removed from winning the SB team, pushing them to 9-1? In a game where his team 'only' scored 17 points and he passed just a few above 200 which for Allen would be... the norm? Obviously he's going to start declining but let's hold our horses on 'done' talk. He's still, what, 5th or 6th in yards passed this year and above 90 for rating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Scott7975 said: He isn't done I don't think, but I also don't think he is playing until 45. At best I think he has another year in him. He probably should just hang it up after this season really. Edelman is still a monster for him. If he went down, I don't think they would move the ball all that much anymore. Agreed, this is pretty much where I'm at with him as well. Take away Edelman and Brady doesn't have enough to carry the team anymore. If this is his last season our last lasting impression of him in his twilight run is him throwing the ball into the ground in desperation so he doesn't get hit--I wonder if there is a Next Gen stat for that, he has to be leading the league? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 12 hours ago, PatsFanNH said: Lol let’s see how he looks after Wynn is back at RT and he gets a second scan the field and more importantly let’s see how Harry and Sanu do now that they are both in the offense and will have a few games under their belt. You didn't watch the game yesterday. Agreed with the OP, he doesn't look like Brady anymore. Set a record for himself with most incompletions in a first half in his entire career. Balls look like they have no zip. It was windy out there yesterday. If you saw him in his postgame presser, he actually looked like he wanted to cry, bizarre behavior after a win, I think he knows better than anybody the end is near. Please note they still have a decent chance to win the super bowl this year because that Defense is so good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gordio said: You didn't watch the game yesterday. Agreed with the OP, he doesn't look like Brady anymore. Set a record for himself with most incompletions in a first half in his entire career. Balls look like they have no zip. It was windy out there yesterday. If you saw him in his postgame presser, he actually looked like he wanted to cry, bizarre behavior after a win, I think he knows better than anybody the end is near. Please note they still have a decent chance to win the super bowl this year because that Defense is so good. Oh Brady definitely on the 17th or 18th hole for his career, I think he realizes that as well. I think he was upset yesterday because the offense, and him, let the team down left way to many chances go by and. Settled for FG. I fully expect see Stidham under center next year for the Patriots. I think Brady retires or gets offered some crazy 2 year deal from another team. (Why can I see Chicago offering him 2 years 60 mill guaranteed) I hope I’m wrong because seeing Brady in another r Jersey as bad as seeing Montana as a Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Oh Brady definitely on the 17th or 18th hole for his career, I think he realizes that as well. I think he was upset yesterday because the offense, and him, let the team down left way to many chances go by and. Settled for FG. I fully expect see Stidham under center next year for the Patriots. I think Brady retires or gets offered some crazy 2 year deal from another team. (Why can I see Chicago offering him 2 years 60 mill guaranteed) I hope I’m wrong because seeing Brady in another r Jersey as bad as seeing Montana as a Chief. He’s getting 2 years 80m guaranteed minimum if he is going to leave the Pats. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: He’s getting 2 years 80m guaranteed minimum if he is going to leave the Pats. I could see some team actually doin that though. Lol I could see Miami doing it just to have him mentor the player they draft in the mid to late 1st round. (I see them drafting Tua and him sitting the first year to get fully healthy then taking over 1/2 way threw the second year.) I am fully prepared see him walk after this year, it will suck because like Kelly did with the Bills I was hoping Brady do with the Pats.. retire playing for just one team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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