MiltonWaddams Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: He's done pretty well in doing his best Belichick. This was a definite slip-up. There was a time when I hated Belichik’s press conferences. Realizing that what he was doing was not providing an ounce of billboard material or a bit of insight into his game plans changed my whole perspective. That is 100% the way in which you handle the media sustainably. McD did slip up here and we should hope he learns from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: 0-2 against teams with a winning record The Eagles don't have a winning record (and their record is the same as the Titans - 4-4). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdragon2 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: 0-2 against teams with a winning record Winning is Winning. Patriots game was 1 John Brown yard away from a possible win with the Defense playing the way it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I think he was just saying that for too many years decisions were made more to sate the fan base that wanted to see some kind of move for movement sake. They were made for the marketing splash and for ticket sales rather than decisions made and action taken that were the result of sober deliberations about what could help the team succeed on the field. I don't think that McD has the hubris to think or say that all their team decisions are right, just that if they do make a move, they want to make it for the right reasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I guess 5-2 is pretty mediocre... Playoffs in year 1 and likely again in year 3 IMO, this comment displays some emotion after a tough loss, but it also conveys some sound reasoning. I'm gonna give the guy the benefit of the doubt right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: 0-2 against teams with a winning record Still 5-2 For a team they are still building and that was picked to win 6 or 7 games this year... But, hey, keep whining if it makes you feel better.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: So he either bad-mouthed previous administrations, or Brandon Beane and himself, or both. Not sure that was necessary. I'd imagine both, probably realized the Benjamin trade was a mistake and am leery of repeating, particularity since not a lot of draft picks this year. And too many to mention in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: 0-2 against teams with a winning record The Chiefs are 0-3 against teams with a winning record. 2 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, WideNine said: I think he was just saying that for too many years decisions were made more to sate the fan base that wanted to see some kind of move for movement sake. They were made for the marketing splash and for ticket sales rather than decisions made and action taken that were the result of sober deliberations about what could help the team succeed on the field. I don't think that McD has the hubris to think or say that all their team decisions are right, just that if they do make a move, they want to make it for the right reasons. Yeah, I think this is mostly a shot at Russ Brandon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Probably because he weighs 371 pounds. Hes on the Jared Lorenzen diet. The last KB sighting he was riding around a WalMart on a rascal. The rascal would’ve made him seem faster that last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Still 5-2 For a team they are still building and that was picked to win 6 or 7 games this year... But, hey, keep whining if it makes you feel better.... Dick Jauron once went 13-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, WideNine said: I think he was just saying that for too many years decisions were made more to sate the fan base that wanted to see some kind of move for movement sake. They were made for the marketing splash and for ticket sales rather than decisions made and action taken that were the result of sober deliberations about what could help the team succeed on the field. I don't think that McD has the hubris to think or say that all their team decisions are right, just that if they do make a move, they want to make it for the right reasons. I think that's fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Said the guy whose boss tried to trade for AB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The Eagles don't have a winning record (and their record is the same as the Titans - 4-4). touché Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I guess 5-2 is pretty mediocre... 5-2 don't make a season. 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: But, hey, keep whining if it makes you feel better.... .....your posts alone fill the bill. Edited October 30, 2019 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, GG said: Dick Jauron once went 13-3 Because that is so relevant to this team, this coach, this time, etc... Really, can't you do better than this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Said the guy whose boss tried to trade for AB... Actually they decided against it due to $ which was ... responsible given what transpired 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Chiefs are 0-3 against teams with a winning record. But hey, they have a 300 yard passer, so, it makes those losses acceptable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Nobody really knows what ANY of these guys will do ... but it wont stop the narrative, and try as you might? It still reflects poorly on a teams decision making. We heard forever how "We coulda had Gronk, we coulda had Rogers",and those misses were part of the failure narrative for years (Except to Torell Troup) If Allen isn't the guy and Mahomes/Watson stay on their current trajectory? You're gonna hear about it for years to come Yep, a lot of whiners cant let go. Masochistic tendencies are in their DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, billsfan1959 said: Because that is so relevant to this team, this coach, this time, etc... Really, can't you do better than this? Same context as introducing a mid-season record against some of the worst early stage competition in the history of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Said the guy whose boss tried to trade for AB... And did trade for KB and Jordan Matthews. And who himself traded out of selecting arguably the best QB playing the game now and last years MVP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: McDermott on no trades: "There have been too many years of irresponsible decision-making, let's just put it that way." .....speaking from experience ? The process clock is ticking down Sean. As I think about it, we saw reports they were in on Sanu and Sanders - the real message here is they weren’t going to beat a second for Sanu or what Denver got for Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: 5-2 don't make a season. .....your posts alone fill the bill. Why be so miserable? Come join the optimistic side. You'll feel better.... 1 minute ago, GG said: Same context as introducing a mid-season record against some of the worst early stage competition in the history of the franchise. No it's not. Quit being ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: The Chiefs are 0-3 against teams with a winning record. Yeah, but Mahomes throws for like 400 yards a game so that makes it okay in some people's eyes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 59 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I actually hope that McD isn't throwing shade at his predecessor 3 years ago. Enough time has passed that they should be far enough in the rear view to not concern yourself with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: As I think about it, we saw reports they were in on Sanu and Sanders - the real message here is they weren’t going to beat a second for Sanu or what Denver got for Sanders. Not sure they had to beat those offers, probably just match them. Bills slot is probably going to be higher than the Niners or Pats*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 To me this is a weak and unnecessary comment from McD. I agree with those who speculate he was probably still smarting from seeing his vaunted D get pretty much blown off the ball two games in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Who picked them to win 6 games on this board? Every team is "still building"? Go back and look at the threads where "success" was defined by most everyone as fighting for a playoff spot. However, I was particularly talking about the so called experts. As far as the "still building" comment: Stop being so obtuse. As if there is no difference in the stage of building between teams. Edited October 30, 2019 by billsfan1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: Not sure they had to beat those offers, probably just match them. Bills slot is probably going to be higher than the Niners or Pats*. Isn’t offering a likely better pick beating the offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero. Buddy Nix traded Sheppard for Hughes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2013/04/29/bills-trade-lb-kelvin-sheppard-colts-lb-jerry-hughes Edited October 30, 2019 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 50 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Whaley's trades for players: Kelvin Sheppard for Jerry Hughes Kiko Alonso for Lesean McCoy A fifth and a seventh for Matt Cassel and a sixth Trade deadline trades: I'm fairly certain the number under Whaley was zero. He didn't say the poor decision making was ONLY trades. I think he meant in more general terms, meaning there were lots of poor decisions (draft picks, GM hires, coach hires, coach firings, extensions, trades, FA acquisitions, cuts, etc.) overall in the past; not just trades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 I really don't see anything wrong with him saying what he said. I think when he talks about being irresponsible he's basically saying, yeah we did talk to some teams but the asking price would've really impacted future drafts and it would be irresponsible to give up what was being asked. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Isn’t offering a likely better pick beating the offer? Not really. If team A and team B offer a 2nd rounder, that’s matching it. It’s safe to surmise that if NE and BUF each offered a 2nd that Sanu is in a Bills uniform now. SF would take the Bills pick based on probability but it’s not a sure thing. A 2nd rounder is a second rounder unless the Pats* own CIN’s 2nd round pick or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 McD is correct in his statement. He shouldn't ignore the fact that he has personnel and scheme issue that need to be solved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Why be so miserable? Come join the optimistic side. You'll feel better.... No it's not. Quit being ridiculous. Why isn't it an apt comparison? Jauron is a famously mediocre head coach, who once presided over a 13-3 team. What has McDermott done so far to prove that he can be an upper echelon coach? The team is 5-2, with squeaky wins over bottom feeders and looked inept against a roiling Eagles squad. They have yet to put together a complete game on both sides of the line. That smacks of being average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 30, 2019 Author Share Posted October 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: McD is correct in his statement. He shouldn't ignore the fact that he has personnel and scheme issue that need to be solved. He didn’t, it was discussed most of the presser 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rico said: Buddy Nix traded Sheppard for Hughes. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2013/04/29/bills-trade-lb-kelvin-sheppard-colts-lb-jerry-hughes I view them more as a team, especially in the late Nix era. In 2013, I strongly believe that Whaley was running most things, not Nix, who I believe had basically checked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: If he blames the previous admin it looks like an excuse. If he blames Beane, it strains relationships. If he blames himself, he looks incompetent. I see it as a "we can collectively do better and need not be impulsive" statement. It's not a papal decree. Just a challenge to do better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Boatdrinks Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, PIZ said: He didn't say the poor decision making was ONLY trades. I think he meant in more general terms, meaning there were lots of poor decisions (draft picks, GM hires, coach hires, coach firings, extensions, trades, FA acquisitions, cuts, etc.) overall in the past; not just trades. Thank you. A lot of folks panties in a bunch about a vague reference to a couple past GMs that few on this board would rate highly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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