TakeYouToTasker Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I think Edmunds could be a generational talent as a Sam, but think he’s a square peg in a round hole at the Mike. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just needs a big guy in front of him to keep him clean. You can run right at him but he is great in pursuit and getting better in pass defense too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 2 hours ago, KOKO NFL said: I've heard all the talk that our second year MLB is a physical freak with size and speed. My eyes, however, tell me he's not tough or instinctive enough to be a good MLB, let alone a great one. IMO Beane and McDermott need to take a serious look at this position in the off season and upgrade. Perhaps Edmonds is better suited for OLB? Fans can speculate but only the coaching staff can make an educated guess. So... is Tremaine Edmunds the answer at MLB? No, because Luke Kuechly is... Edmunds and Milano at OLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 He's out of position. That's on the coaches. I've said twice already and I'll keep repeating it. On a Belichick coached team, Edmunds would be in a Vrabel/Ninkovich role, wreaking havoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Tre is a soft player. He’s insanely athletic and the instincts are mainly there but he’s weak and soft and doesn’t like getting dirty. Let him chase QBs. Enough of this crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 As I understand it, Edmunhds is the first MLB in NFL history to play before going through puberty. By the time Tom Brady retires in 2029, I think Edmunds will be firing on all cylinders every play in every game. We must be patient. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Lorax should not be on the team Definitely should he a situational rusher at most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Like most MLBs Edmunds needs our DTs to absorb blockers to allow him to get to the runner. He he is going to get stronger and better with age and experience. We lost, they ran on us, we ran into an angry team that is better than us. Now is not the time to quit and assign blame. Now is the time to learn and get better. Edited October 28, 2019 by Bob in STL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I think Edmunds could be a generational talent as a Sam, but think he’s a square peg in a round hole at the Mike. So true....he's a fish out of water in the middle. Constantly getting lost in the wash. And no this isn't the first time this has happened. Maybe because of his age he'll get better but my gut says he'd be so much better in the SAM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Chill said: Tremaine is similar to Zay Jones. A ton of potential, he just has to get straight in the head. It’s the mental aspect that is struggling. Yes right, most 20 year olds just jump right in and make the Pro Bowl at MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I saw him on at least 3 running plays today running unblocked towards the los without any regard for where the ball carrier was going. In all 3 cases, he wasn’t anywhere near where the play was going, and just ended up in a mess of OL and DL. I’d be shocked if come training camp next season, he is not moved to OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I'm not so sure about Tremaine, but he is still young and growing into his body. I kind of would like to see him slip over to OLB in Lorax place next year and bring in Bobby Wagner in FA. That would be my big spend and make this D killer elite. With Horrible Harry back and everyone in the system another year, I think we'd finally challenge NE. We just need Josh to develop and spend the rest keeping the Oline in place and getting a stud RB and WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 31 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: I saw him on at least 3 running plays today running unblocked towards the los without any regard for where the ball carrier was going. In all 3 cases, he wasn’t anywhere near where the play was going, and just ended up in a mess of OL and DL. I’d be shocked if come training camp next season, he is not moved to OLB. Yep. Needs to read plays better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Edmunds should be moved outside next year. The Bills need a new MLB. I would grab Leonard Williams as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 The Eagles offense run plays designed with lots of distraction. I can see a second year man getting confused out there. I wouldn't judge Edmunds based just on the eagles game. That said, there's no question that he needs to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: :Lol: Just move Edmunds outside and he will be a terror. We need a strong MLb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddiegoofball Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I feel like if Edmunds isn't reading the plays better/is more consistent by years' end, some consideration should be given to moving him to the SAM. The guy is still a physical freak and has a lot of talent. He's good enough to be on the field, for sure. But is he a MIKE? I'm not sure yet. He has gotten better, but he needs to take another step. I'm willing to give him 2 full seasons to figure it out, especially considering how young he was when he came into the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Old Coot said: The Eagles offense run plays designed with lots of distraction. I can see a second year man getting confused out there. I wouldn't judge Edmunds based just on the eagles game. That said, there's no question that he needs to improve. He's started 23 NFL games now, played in another 8 preseason NFL games and been part of 2 NFL training camps and he still looks lost. It really needs to be addressed that maybe he isn't the answer at MLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Bob in STL said: Yes right, most 20 year olds just jump right in and make the Pro Bowl at MLB. Luke Kuechly was DROY in his first season, and then DPOY, 1st team All-Pro in year two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Nextmanup said: That was a common response in similar threads about Zay Jones a few years ago. These two players are not similar in the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 don't judge a season by one game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Luke Kuechly was DROY in his first season, and then DPOY, 1st team All-Pro in year two. Why are you naming one player like that is the norm? 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: Of god. Will the “he’s only insert age here” excuse ever end? What’s the cut off? There is actually no reason to do that? He is improved over last year.....has been solid in most games this year.....I would say he is a player that actually makes this great defense work. He isnt London Fletcher....London would have also gotten torched in pass defense the way we use him.....he isnt a "stick your nose in a beehive" linebacker....he is an incredible athlete that is still figuring out run support at times.....he is also making a lot of plays. I dont see a reason to even defend him our team lost today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He’s too often lost and easily taken out of plays. He was getting mauled in the run game. Absolutely destroyed.... They don’t have a choice at this point but if the inconsistencies continue they should be actively pursuing a MLB in the offseason. Your not listening.... THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT AT MLB.......a extremely long athletic can cover animal that does things other ILBs cannot do....its a passing league and in most games teams dont pass on us. They are not going to change him out when the defense is for the most part playing dominantly. If you want to complain that we are not scoring enough points to win games right now Im with you.....but the problem of this team is not Edmunds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why are you naming one player like that is the norm? There is actually no reason to do that? He is improved over last year.....has been solid in most games this year.....I would say he is a player that actually makes this great defense work. He isnt London Fletcher....London would have also gotten torched in pass defense the way we use him.....he isnt a "stick your nose in a beehive" linebacker....he is an incredible athlete that is still figuring out run support at times.....he is also making a lot of plays. I dont see a reason to even defend him our team lost today That is the player that Edmunds is supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: That is the player that Edmunds is supposed to be. Says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 hours ago, KOKO NFL said: I've heard all the talk that our second year MLB is a physical freak with size and speed. My eyes, however, tell me he's not tough or instinctive enough to be a good MLB, let alone a great one. IMO Beane and McDermott need to take a serious look at this position in the off season and upgrade. Perhaps Edmonds is better suited for OLB? Fans can speculate but only the coaching staff can make an educated guess. So... is Tremaine Edmunds the answer at MLB? i agree...i dont see the instinct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, John from Riverside said: Says who? Well McD was running the defense in Carolina when Kuechly was drafted, who was an incredible athlete prior to be drafted, who was also drafted in the first round, who also played MLB in the same defense that we play, and also had the same run and pass coverage responsibilities. The phrase “he’s our Kuechly” has been written here no less than 100 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Why are you naming one player like that is the norm? There is actually no reason to do that? He is improved over last year.....has been solid in most games this year.....I would say he is a player that actually makes this great defense work. He isnt London Fletcher....London would have also gotten torched in pass defense the way we use him.....he isnt a "stick your nose in a beehive" linebacker....he is an incredible athlete that is still figuring out run support at times.....he is also making a lot of plays. I dont see a reason to even defend him our team lost today London Fletcher got a million tackles per game...unfortunately after a big gain by the runner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Tcali said: London Fletcher got a million tackles per game...unfortunately after a big gain by the runner Yeah I was still a big fan of London Fletcher.....I know he got dragged often. But I think if Edmunds played like Fletch in run support they would be happier......London Fletcher was not a freak athlete like Edmunds...he was just a instinctual football player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 21 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said: don't judge a season by one game That is what we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, BringBackOrton said: Luke Kuechly was DROY in his first season, and then DPOY, 1st team All-Pro in year two. Yes, a long list indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Allen and Edmunds are just good enough to hold us back for a few years because they were 1st rounders that we spent a lot of capital on. This regime will sink with them rather than let them go. Their situation is similar to Tannehill's when he was a fish. He played just well enough to stick around, but kept the team from being a serious threat. It's starting to look like Oliver could fit the same mold. Beane just can't get those 1st round picks right and that spells disaster for a GM. You've got to get those high picks right. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Bob in STL said: Yes right, most 20 year olds just jump right in and make the Pro Bowl at MLB. Sarcasm. I get it, but LB's seldom take time to develop. Just ask Leonard and Vander Esche. Let's just hope that proverbial light comes on, but it definitely should have by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) Imo, there are two things that are hallmarks of NFL middle libebackers: 1. Instincts 2. Edginess When I watch Edmunds, I do not see an instinctual linebacker that plays with an edge. I'm not sure how you grow into either of those things, but otherwise the talent is undeniable. Edited October 28, 2019 by Capco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I am starting, sadly, to come to the conclusion that no he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Yes Just needs to work on run defense in practice. 2 hours ago, GreggTX said: Sarcasm. I get it, but LB's seldom take time to develop. Just ask Leonard and Vander Esche. Let's just hope that proverbial light comes on, but it definitely should have by now. Vander Esch was my boy, really wanted him. Edmunds will be fine and has played well for us and even great in some games, he's still young and will continue to improve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 5 hours ago, GreggTX said: Allen and Edmunds are just good enough to hold us back for a few years because they were 1st rounders that we spent a lot of capital on. This regime will sink with them rather than let them go. Their situation is similar to Tannehill's when he was a fish. He played just well enough to stick around, but kept the team from being a serious threat. It's starting to look like Oliver could fit the same mold. Beane just can't get those 1st round picks right and that spells disaster for a GM. You've got to get those high picks right. Right... but literally 2 days ago we were praising all of these people for the opposite of everything you just said in this post. Im just saying the truth is somewhere in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 6 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: don't judge a season by one game Which game? Cinci, Miami or Eagles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 11 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said: I think Edmunds could be a generational talent as a Sam, but think he’s a square peg in a round hole at the Mike. Careful...I suggested this idea before the season and was told by a mod that I knew nothing in comparison to the coaching staff and should shut my mouth about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideRightRevenge Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) To quote the infamous Aaron Rodgers ... R-E-L-A-X ... rated 12th among 70 linebacker .. I'll take it. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-pff-rankings-top-25-second-year-nfl-players-week-7-2019 8. LB Tremaine Edmunds, Buffalo Bills At the time that Edmunds was drafted, he was just 19 years old. That youth and inexperience showed early in his career, as he stumbled out of the gate with a 47.0 overall grade across his first eight career games. As the season progressed, though, his athleticism and playmaking ability in the middle of the Buffalo defense began to make it apparent that improvement was on the way. Edmunds did, in fact, improve his grade to 70.5 over the second half of the season, and he has carried over that improved play into 2019. His overall grade of 71.1 this season ranks 12th among 70 linebackers with 175 or more defensive snaps, anchoring one of the better defenses in the league. and for those Vander Esch Lovers Lastly, Vander Esch has recorded a run-defense grade of 44.4 this season while allowing 243 receiving yards as the primary coverage defender. Edited October 28, 2019 by WideRightRevenge added fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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