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Week 7: Dolphins at Bills (-17)


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33 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

I would normally agree that a HC would not tank on purpose, but that call was terrible and seemed to be called intentionally to not work.  They had the momentum.  Flores knows it takes a top QB to win in the NFL.  He saw what having a QB like Brady is like.  They are doing everything than can to get a chance to get one.  Just like Buffalo and Kelly, Miami hasn't had a top QB since Marino.  I would imagine Flores knew what he was getting into when he took the job, just like McDermott did.

 

 

That's where I'm at too.

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No injury report from McDermott until Wednesday.

 

During the practice open to the public media saw this:

 

8 hours ago, Nelius said:

I'm really not worried at all about losing this one, but I could see the Dolphins putting up some points, especially if Fitz sees the field. It just feels like a scenario where some Fitzmagic gets sprinkled and he finds DeVante Parker or whoever for a couple of scores. Just enough to keep it competitive. Really want to see Allen put up some points and show some domination so that any random Fitz td or two doesn't really matter.

 

I would really like to see Fitzy air it out and our guys get some picks.  We've been getting a fair number of batted balls and deflected receptions but they haven't "come to Papa"

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9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

No injury report from McDermott until Wednesday.

 

yeah, nothing new there.   

Wednesday, then Thursday then Friday ....  Something is always changing 

2 weeks to get "healthy"   They should be in relatively good health if you look at last weeks IR 

 

https://www.buffalobills.com/team/injury-report/

 

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16 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

wouldn't mind seeing it but I think brown goes off for about 110 and 2 td

 

Well, the good news is that Miami appears to be just as charitable through the air as they are on the ground.  They're giving up 270 passing yards per game (likely underestimated since teams have been up so big in the 2nd half) and 170 rushing yards.

 

As they say nowadays, it would appear that many Buffalo offensive skill players are "about to eat."

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6 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Well, the good news is that Miami appears to be just as charitable through the air as they are on the ground.  They're giving up 270 passing yards per game (likely underestimated since teams have been up so big in the 2nd half) and 170 rushing yards.

 

As they say nowadays, it would appear that many Buffalo offensive skill players are "about to eat."

potentially for the next 3 weeks. eagles are allowing 280 a game through the air and then the skins obviously are struggling.

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7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not bad. Archuleta is informative without being overbearing. I think the Bills have a decent record in games called by Spero over the years. 

 

I dont mind that duo at all. They are pretty neutral. Fouts is the absolute worst.

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3 hours ago, PIZ said:

 

I would normally agree that a HC would not tank on purpose, but that call was terrible and seemed to be called intentionally to not work.  They had the momentum.  Flores knows it takes a top QB to win in the NFL.  He saw what having a QB like Brady is like.  They are doing everything they can to get a chance to get one.  Just like Buffalo and Kelly, Miami hasn't had a top QB since Marino.  I would imagine Flores knew what he was getting into when he took the job, just like McDermott did.

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't confuse Flores situation with McDermott's in his first year. Yes they both had QB issues. But that's about it.  Besides, what good does it do Flores to lose a winnable game on purpose? Do you think he believes drafting a QB in 2020 instantly turns his crappy team into a contender?  I can't see any college QB in the draft I'd count on to turn things around--at least not quickly and not with that roster.

 

And don't forget, McDermott took the Bills to the playoffs in his first year.

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For all of this talk about tanking, suggesting the Fish actually called a play they knew wouldn't work on Sunday may be the most bizarre take I've ever read on a message board.  Do you know what would happen in a locker room if the players sensed that the coaches don't want to win?  Do you think Fitz and the other veterans on that team would put forth any effort at all in that situation?

 

Tanking is done by the front office.  Coaches only operate one way -- they try to win.

 

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11 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

 

The idea that Flores is purposefully tanking is preposterous. That's a career destroyer right there, and he's just getting started. Maybe you could hire Rex and get him to tank.

I would normally agree with you, but perhaps he has word from above which would negate the career threat.  That game on Sunday...if you want to win, you kick and go to OT, or you call a 2 point conversion play that has a chance of succeeding.  All evidence pointed to the contrary.

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4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Still not bad, can’t recall Bills track record with that duo.Superstitious, I know...

2 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

I would normally agree with you, but perhaps he has word from above which would negate the career threat.  That game on Sunday...if you want to win, you kick and go to OT, or you call a 2 point conversion play that has a chance of succeeding.  All evidence pointed to the contrary.

Exactly. Normally, most would agree that a HC ( and absolutely players) would not tank. It definitely is higher up in the organization. However, that 2 point try was so hilariously bad it makes you wonder if Flores has been given a total pass for a couple years. HC $$ is a huge pay raise, and lots of these guys get NFL assistant jobs when their HC stint comes to its ( usually early) end. It was bad enough to stir up the conspiracy theories. 

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1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not bad. Archuleta is informative without being overbearing. I think the Bills have a decent record in games called by Spero over the years. 

 

Yeah, I like Spero Dedes and Adam Archuleta. 

 

At one point I was just in a "listen mode" and thought I heard a young Al Michaels when Spero was speaking 

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Apparently they are remembering Allen running all over them last year and thinking it will be the same again this week.  A bunch of them at finshaven saying he will rush for over 100 easy.

 

Not saying he wont but he has been better at not relying on taking off more this season than he did last.  

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1 hour ago, The Dean said:

 

 

I wouldn't confuse Flores situation with McDermott's in his first year. Yes they both had QB issues. But that's about it.  Besides, what good does it do Flores to lose a winnable game on purpose? Do you think he believes drafting a QB in 2020 instantly turns his crappy team into a contender?  I can't see any college QB in the draft I'd count on to turn things around--at least not quickly and not with that roster.

 

And don't forget, McDermott took the Bills to the playoffs in his first year.

 

I was referring to the QB issues, but also all the trades they made to accumulate picks.  The Bills traded away some good players in order to have extra picks, so they had a chance at getting a top QB.  I don't mind if you disagree.  I like a good back and forth.  I just think Flores is on board with all of the changes and management has told him that his career with the Dolphins doesn't depend on the results of the 2019 season.

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

I know Miami sucks, but 17 points is a lot given the production of the Bills offense so far this year.

Bills put up 41 in the last Dolphins game, plus the Bills put up 28 on the Giants this season, so I wouldn't doubt seeing the Bills score 30 points or more on the Dolphins.

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14 hours ago, Warcodered said:

I think the Dolphin fans might be more positive about this game for the Bills than we are.

 

https://finheaven.com/threads/final-score-miami-dolphins-v-buffalo-bills.357213/


Man, things over there in Fishland are GRIM. Those guys need big-picture perspective, like we do. I’ve only ever seen TBD get so miserable after truly catastrophic events, like Josh Allen going three and out. 

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10 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Bills put up 41 in the last Dolphins game, plus the Bills put up 28 on the Giants this season, so I wouldn't doubt seeing the Bills score 30 points or more on the Dolphins.

 

A laugher would be great.  These games coming down to the final drive every week are stressful!

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6 minutes ago, jimmy10 said:


Man, things over there in Fishland are GRIM. Those guys need big-picture perspective, like we do. I’ve only ever seen TBD get so miserable after truly catastrophic events, like Josh Allen going three and out. 

 

Has anyone read Omar Kelly's tweets recently.  I would but I'm blocked.  :lol:

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44 minutes ago, KD in CA said:

 

A laugher would be great.  These games coming down to the final drive every week are stressful!

Exactly.  The bye week gave me enough time to get most of my fingernails back for this week.  Hopefully I won't need them for anything other than opening a beer.

40 minutes ago, eball said:

 

Has anyone read Omar Kelly's tweets recently.  I would but I'm blocked.  :lol:

 

11 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

Me too!

He seems to be talking about the weather a lot.  

 

I did get a kick out of this one though.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, PIZ said:

 

I was referring to the QB issues, but also all the trades they made to accumulate picks.  The Bills traded away some good players in order to have extra picks, so they had a chance at getting a top QB.  I don't mind if you disagree.  I like a good back and forth.  I just think Flores is on board with all of the changes and management has told him that his career with the Dolphins doesn't depend on the results of the 2019 season.

 

 

 

 

 

But what I'm saying is, if Flores has ANY sense (and I suspect he does) there is no believeale promise the Miami management could make to get him to obviously tank. Unless the Fins agreed to pay him more money than he would make being a long term respected coach in this league, you just can't risk your entire future on purposely throwing games. Coaches make bad calls all the time. Even Belicheat has made a few inexplicable bad calls. Using that call as "proof" or even "solid evidence" against Flores is the worst kind of conspiracy theory logic. The Fins are not likely his long term future. He HAS to know that.

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