Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 So. Here is my question. If you take current team and add AJ green and von miller...could we win the superbowl? I say yes. So what would the cost be? My guess is a first and a 3rd. Maybe we swap some later picks too. If so. And we believe allen is the guy. And we have our D under contract next year. We have our 2 receivers under contract as well as our tight ends. We also have singletary. We also have a ton of cap room. So the core of this team...which is pretty good will be back next year no matter what and yes we will have less draft picks but we have money to add pieces via free agency again on short term contracts. So nothing lost really. If you could make these trades knowing that this team is still a 10-6 team next year...would you make a run at the cost of a top WR and lineman in the draft? Keep in mind. We will be picking mid 20s likely so the picks aren't slam dunks. To me. We need to try and win it this year. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Allen is too young to go all in on one year. JMHO. I hope Beane doesn’t go splashy or short term, and I don’t think he will. I think he wants to be legendary, and that means building a sustainable model. And as fans, we are the clear beneficiaries. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) “If so.”, is not a sentence. I just SOOOO needed to point that out. You can base the rest of my response on the previous. ? Edited October 13, 2019 by TroutDog 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 And what happens next year with Von Miller and his 25m cap hit and we need to sign our own? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I like the idea... but this team isnt quite there yet. Allen is still somewhat of a project. Maybe in a couple years if he takes those next steps, but making those types of deals this season would be a bit premature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: And what happens next year with Von Miller and his 25m cap hit and we need to sign our own? My thoughts exactly. Miller is a fantastic talent who is seeing a decline in his game already. He’s not getting younger and he is getting extremely well paid. As much as I really like the idea of him completing the trio of linebackers that the Bills currently have, I don’t think that’s the right fit on a financial level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I actually don't mind the idea of moving our 1st for a WR. We are going to draft one next year in the 1st anyqay, why not guarantee we get ourselvea a good one? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: And what happens next year with Von Miller and his 25m cap hit and we need to sign our own? Hes part of the 80M we have available 2 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Hes part of the 80M we have available And ps. Hes only 8M hit if cut after June 1 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Yes to Miller. No to AJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I’m sorry, why does our defense need more help? But good job not completely falling into the Trent Williams and Diggs/Green trap Edited October 13, 2019 by Virgil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 16 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: I actually don't mind the idea of moving our 1st for a WR. We are going to draft one next year in the 1st anyqay, why not guarantee we get ourselvea a good one? Except AJ Green is old and injury prone wouldn't use a 1st on him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m sorry, wby doe our defense need more help? But good job not completely falling into the Trent Williams and Diggs/Green trap Because our pass rush is average. And to beat tom brady or mahomes its needs to be better than average. Goal is superbowl not playoffs. Just now, Warcodered said: Except AJ Green is old and injury prone wouldn't use a 1st on him. Sorry. He'd be the 3rd. Patriots will grab him for that if we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Hebert19 said: Because our pass rush is average. And to beat tom brady or mahomes its needs to be better than average. Goal is superbowl not playoffs. Our defense is made to order and has been successful against everyone we've played. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, The Wiz said: And what happens next year with Von Miller and his 25m cap hit and we need to sign our own? Who needs a new contract for next year? Shaq Lawson? I’m not sold on this offense being one piece away btw. But there is cap cap space next year and even the year after. It’s not until 3 offseasons from now there MIGHT be a cap issue if Allen develops. thats why they should be looking to add players with contracts like von milller or Trent Williams. As long as the trade price isn’t too steep. Edited October 13, 2019 by Chemical 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Because our pass rush is average. And to beat tom brady or mahomes we need better punt block schemes. Fixed. we can beat NE. The colts D ***** down mahomes. Our D >>>>>>> the colts D. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chemical said: Who needs a new contract for next year? Shaq Lawson? Exactly. And green is a free agent and von miller can be cut and only be 8m cap hit. Still waiting for a good argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Because our pass rush is average. And to beat tom brady or mahomes its needs to be better than average. Goal is superbowl not playoffs. Sorry. He'd be the 3rd. Patriots will grab him for that if we don't. Brady had one of the worst games of his career against this defense. Mahomes does most of his damage outside of the pocket. Our defense plays amazing contain, and will then sack you if you try to escape. Just ask Mariota 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hebert19 said: Exactly. And green is a free agent and von miller can be cut and only be 8m cap hit. Still waiting for a good argument. But Green is 31 and on the decline. Von is also on the decline. Splashy names but do they fit "The Process?" If not, don't plan on seeing them. As someone said earlier. Beane is building a dynasty.....not a one year wonder......my humble $0.02 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Exactly. And green is a free agent and von miller can be cut and only be 8m cap hit. Still waiting for a good argument. The good arguments are in the other 5 AJ Green threads.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chemical said: Who needs a new contract for next year? Shaq Lawson? Next year and the year after is the real question. The list is here. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/ Barkley, J. Phillips, Gore (if he keeps playing), Yeldon, Robert, Mckenzie, Foster, Nsekhe, Feliciano, Spain, Dawkins (likely a big increase making 1.1m right now), Shaq, Lorax, Milano (another big payday making 600k right now), Poyer (making 3m but will probably be around 5-6m), Wallace. I added a few guys that might not be on the team and left off a bunch of back up replaceable players but I'd say about 90% of that list is looking at a new contract over the next 2 years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I'm with you. Fans are so used to being "in the hunt" that they can't shoot for more. The door is wide open for the Bills this year. The schedule will NOT be this easy next year... I absolutely think they should go all in for the #1 seed. Then you try to win two games at home and see what happens in the Super Bowl. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Kwai San said: But Green is 31 and on the decline. Von is also on the decline. Splashy names but do they fit "The Process?" If not, don't plan on seeing them. As someone said earlier. Beane is building a dynasty.....not a one year wonder......my humble $0.02 Not long term. 1 year. Win superbowl and didn't impact future 2 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Next year and the year after is the real question. The list is here. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/ Barkley, J. Phillips, Gore (if he keeps playing), Yeldon, Robert, Mckenzie, Foster, Nsekhe, Feliciano, Spain, Dawkins (likely a big increase making 1.1m right now), Shaq, Lorax, Milano (another big payday making 600k right now), Poyer (making 3m but will probably be around 5-6m), Wallace. I added a few guys that might not be on the team and left off a bunch of back up replaceable players but I'd say about 90% of that list is looking at a new contract over the next 2 years. Again. 1 year. Think 1 year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Why waste future cap $ or draft picks on these players? Keep the cap and sign our own and continue to draft well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 52 minutes ago, Success said: Allen is too young to go all in on one year. JMHO. I hope Beane doesn’t go splashy or short term, and I don’t think he will. I think he wants to be legendary, and that means building a sustainable model. And as fans, we are the clear beneficiaries. I agree. I think Beane will be conservative with trading any of our future high draft pick (Rnds 1-3) but I wouldn’t mind seeing some creative player for player and and low draft picks (Rnds 4-7) trades if they improve our team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hebert19 said: Again. 1 year. Think 1 year. Fine, 1 year. Sure. Why not? If I was playing Madden I would make that deal. Long term, no. They have the cap space but most GMs don't look at 1 year. They look long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: I actually don't mind the idea of moving our 1st for a WR. We are going to draft one next year in the 1st anyqay, why not guarantee we get ourselvea a good one? You dont trade a 1st for one at 30 yrs old. Trade a 1st for one say 24-25...sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 AJ Green is not available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) I like Von but not sure how much he elevates the defense. Besides Elway said no deal. AJG- absolutely... if it’s 2013. He’s even if he is available for a Trade, he struggles to be available for the games. I woul love to see any of these possibilities... as slim as they may be: E Sanders Diggs Devante Parker Edited October 13, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Not long term. 1 year. Win superbowl and didn't impact future Again. 1 year. Think 1 year. And NOTHING Guarantees a SB win - NOTHING......just wishful thinking.....besides Green aint going NOWHERE for a 3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Not long term. 1 year. Win superbowl and didn't impact future Again. 1 year. Think 1 year. Sounds like a great recipe for cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Success said: Allen is too young to go all in on one year. JMHO. I hope Beane doesn’t go splashy or short term, and I don’t think he will. I think he wants to be legendary, and that means building a sustainable model. And as fans, we are the clear beneficiaries. Ben Roethlisberger went 15-1 and made it to an afc championship game. Tom Brady...well.. you know... also Russell Wilson.. Edited October 13, 2019 by Bills!Win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmbchiefs66 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 No they cant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 49 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Yes to Miller. No to AJ. No to either imo- wrong side of 30 with a high cap hits. Add in the injury bug for Green and it just doesn’t make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Next year and the year after is the real question. The list is here. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/ Barkley, J. Phillips, Gore (if he keeps playing), Yeldon, Robert, Mckenzie, Foster, Nsekhe, Feliciano, Spain, Dawkins (likely a big increase making 1.1m right now), Shaq, Lorax, Milano (another big payday making 600k right now), Poyer (making 3m but will probably be around 5-6m), Wallace. I added a few guys that might not be on the team and left off a bunch of back up replaceable players but I'd say about 90% of that list is looking at a new contract over the next 2 years. I think they want to really go at it next season if they do well this season. They have cap room before thry need to pay to resign their CBs and QB. they also don’t want to give up a 1st next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Fine, 1 year. Sure. Why not? If I was playing Madden I would make that deal. Long term, no. They have the cap space but most GMs don't look at 1 year. They look long term. We are still in good shape long term that's best part. Nothing changes and we have cap space. We lose 1 year of draft picks for a chance to win superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, MJS said: AJ Green is not available. yes, thank you for reiterating this fact ...... this post reeks of bye week boredom how about a 1st, a 3rd. and a dozen Paula's Donuts ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said: No to either imo- wrong side of 30 with a high cap hits. Add in the injury bug for Green and it just doesn’t make sense. Ffs. Its 1 year and we have the space. No long term investment needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Fine, 1 year. Sure. Why not? If I was playing Madden I would make that deal. Long term, no. They have the cap space but most GMs don't look at 1 year. They look long term. Remember when the Eagles traded for a couple pieces and then won the Super Bowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayray808 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) when baby Gamora asks Beane after our Super Bowl if it was worth it... damn right it was worth it Edited October 13, 2019 by rayray808 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hebert19 said: So. Here is my question. If you take current team and add AJ green and von miller...could we win the superbowl? I say yes. So what would the cost be? My guess is a first and a 3rd. Maybe we swap some later picks too. If so. And we believe allen is the guy. And we have our D under contract next year. We have our 2 receivers under contract as well as our tight ends. We also have singletary. We also have a ton of cap room. So the core of this team...which is pretty good will be back next year no matter what and yes we will have less draft picks but we have money to add pieces via free agency again on short term contracts. So nothing lost really. If you could make these trades knowing that this team is still a 10-6 team next year...would you make a run at the cost of a top WR and lineman in the draft? Keep in mind. We will be picking mid 20s likely so the picks aren't slam dunks. To me. We need to try and win it this year. Quite a few different iconed responses to this! Interesting question. Allen had a meltdown against the patriots, his biggest game yet. Came back well against the titans but he's not championship material yet. I still don't know what we are going to get from him one game to the next right now. So even at the QB position not close to good enough to win a Superbowl right now. Edited October 13, 2019 by london_bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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