Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: And the fans here hated him. Woods? IIRC, he was well-respected as a good #2 WR who blocked extremely well in the run game. Made clutch catches all the time. Still, when he hit FA, the Bills and most fans (myself included) didn't think he was worth the FA contract he signed with the Rams. He's since proven that wrong.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He was supposed to have great hands, broke records in college, yada, yada. We haven’t really seen that guy. Then to not appear to make much effort when DBs are coming down with your passes... I feel like Bills fans can forgive a lot of things, but lack of effort isn’t on that list. Zay is one of what, 3 pieces that returned from last year’s offense? And yet every other aspect of the offense seems to have improved around him, including all those new pieces brought in on the OL, TE, RB, other WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Short, quick slants is all he should get. And yet he consistently drops those short slant routes, or runs them at the wrong depth. He's not an NFL WR. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: Woods? IIRC, he was well-respected as a good #2 WR who blocked extremely well in the run game. Made clutch catches all the time. Still, when he hit FA, the Bills and most fans (myself included) didn't think he was worth the FA contract he signed with the Rams. He's since proven that wrong.. Bills fans wanted him gone. Bills fans said he sucked. Bills fans said he wasn't worth a 2nd round pick. That's all they did was call shows and say he was a blocking receiver who adds no value to the receiving corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Zay sucks. Zero awareness and suspect hands. Time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Look at the column entitled "catch percentage" in the rushing and receiving category and look at line 11: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 it seems to me the zay hate is coming from a combination of perceived lack of effort/desire to go the extra mile in both going up for catches and preventing interceptions....Bills fans want a guy who will fight for his team and the perception is he is soft in that area.just my opinion...it goes along with the perception that Duke Williams is a guy whom would do both hence the cries for Zays release. jmo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Look at the column entitled "catch percentage" in the rushing and receiving category and look at line 11: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm Yea, interesting that we have all those 80% receivers and Jones is at 38%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Look, the Bills did not lose the Patriots game because of Zay Jones. They lost it because of Josh Allen. Having said that, it's true they are not getting much from Jones. Maybe they should bench him or give his snaps to somebody else. Everyone here seems to think Duke Williams would be much better. I'm okay with trying that, or with trying Roberts, or McKenzie or somebody else. I just don't expect a huge difference in results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Ta111 said: Yea, interesting that we have all those 80% receivers and Jones is at 38%. The best comparions are with the guys who are actually getting a decent number of targets: Brown, Beasley, and Knox. All of those are over 60 percent. To be fair to Jones, he has been on the receiving end of a inordinately large number of way-off-target throws by Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He should be playing at JuJu level of play and he cant hold JuJus jock without dropping it. Hes no better than 20 various street FA that could take his place and not miss a beat. Andre Roberts has never been looked at as a good WR and HE out did Zay for the season in one game.. c'mon man. Its time, bring in Duke or trade for a real WR. Whatever, just get it over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Look at the column entitled "catch percentage" in the rushing and receiving category and look at line 11: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2019.htm Not trying to defend Zay but I do wish there was more information on that stat. Not all catches are the same. Beasley gets a lot “easier” catch opportunities than Zay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Bills fans always pick on guy to target their anger and it's Zay for now. If I'm Zay I play the season out and get to a team with a pocket QB like Robert Woods and become a very good number 2 receiver. Hopefully Zay can develope into a Robert Woods. But right now he is nowhere near the reciever Robert Woods is today or when Woods was with the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Not trying to defend Zay but I do wish there was more information on that stat. Not all catches are the same. Beasley gets a lot “easier” catch opportunities than Zay. I absolutely agree, and see my qualifying post above. But when you're always low in the catch pct stats while others aren't, sometimes it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: Bills fans always pick on guy to target their anger and it's Zay for now. If I'm Zay I play the season out and get to a team with a pocket QB like Robert Woods and become a very good number 2 receiver. Did you really just compare Zay Jones to Robert Woods? WOW talk about clueless. Almost every fan knew Woods was wide open all the time and a very physical WR who played with heart. Zay Jones doesn't get open, doesn't catch, and looks completely lost on how to play the position of WR. My god. Edited September 30, 2019 by Rocbillsfan1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffswagger017 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Stone cold hands.... can't catch a cold outside soaking wet in December.... Exact opposite of the college player where at ECU he caught everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, Rocbillsfan1 said: Did you really just compare Zay Jones to Robert Woods? WOW talk about clueless. Almost every fan knew Woods was wide open all the time and a very physical WR who played with heart. Zay Jones doesn't get open, doesn't catch, and looks completely lost to how to play the position of WR. My god. When the all 22 comes out you'll see Zay was open ALL THE TIME yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: When the all 22 comes out you'll see Zay was open ALL THE TIME yesterday. Yes. Mind you, I don't think he's good, but my god, Allen seems to become a blind dart thrower when he targets him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 47 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Zay Jones just doesn't make plays. Too many drops, and yesterday highlighted his lack of situational awareness when he failed to turn DB to disrupt two interceptions. He didn't even jump to try to catch Josh's ball on the sideline. We cut the sure-handed Reilly last year, and this year we're leaving The Duke on the PS because of Zay. We're leaving Duke on the PS because of Foster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I dont hate Zay, I just dont think hes helping the team 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: We're leaving Duke on the PS because of Foster. From what I've seen of McDermott I bet he brings up Duke in the 2nd half of the season so that there is not a season worth of game tape on him when they'll need him in tough defensive games down the stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said: LOL Sorry the topic is just humorous. Why, because he didn't catch enough balls! It seems he's "targeted" too frequently and he can't get within 5 feet of some passes. He was supposed to be a stud in college but failed miserably in year one. or Josh's passes don't get within 5 ft of Zay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 31 minutes ago, Dr. K said: The drumbeat of "Gilmour sucks!" and "He's a bust!" and "He takes plays off" and "He can't tackle" and "He's the worst cornerback in the league" was deafening. This is part of Bills fan displacement syndrome. There's always a scapegoat, one player the fans focus on whom to unload all their frustrations. There's usually enough truth in their accusations to keep the pot boiling, but at least 75% of their bitching is displacement. The other players on the team should be glad that Zay is on the squad. The minute he is gone it will be someone else's turn in the barrel. Oh I was here (under a different account) and I saw it. I cheer on every player and hope they succeed in Buffalo. I try not to make an assessment in short order. Gilmore was / is good. But something kept him from playing his best. Coaches maybe? Zay needs to do a lot to prove himself enough to remain on the team in 2020. I've said it for years ... A "target" 3 to 5 feet away from a player is not a dropped pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 The last thing I was thinking after yesterday was.... does Zay suck. I was more wondering does our play calling suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 38 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Prove he is? Beat me to it, damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: Bills fans wanted him gone. Bills fans said he sucked. Bills fans said he wasn't worth a 2nd round pick. That's all they did was call shows and say he was a blocking receiver who adds no value to the receiving corps. Bupkis. Oh, and this post in the same thread made me laugh: Posted November 10, 2015 "Completely average starter. No more, no less. If he was on the Rams or the Jaguars, more than a few Bills fans wouldn't register who he was." BTW, the fans who call into radio shows are NOT representative of the fan base, IMO. And we'll leave it at that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 At some point, you have to wonder if Zay is as bad as so many of you hysterics say he is, why is he still out there every week for 75-80% of the offensive snaps? I mean, someone THAT terrible should be extremely easy to leapfrog on the depth chart, yes? Perhaps you all should start blaming the coaching staff a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 He was open on two deep throws and Allen missed him. He didnt do anything wrong yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dr. K said: Look, the Bills did not lose the Patriots game because of Zay Jones. They lost it because of Josh Allen. Having said that, it's true they are not getting much from Jones. Maybe they should bench him or give his snaps to somebody else. Everyone here seems to think Duke Williams would be much better. I'm okay with trying that, or with trying Roberts, or McKenzie or somebody else. I just don't expect a huge difference in results. Josh did contribute to the loss no doubt, still might have pulled it out, maybe, had he not been targeted for removal by the pats, but the topic at hand is Mr 38. % catch percentage man, he can only run a route, does not work back to the QB, doesn’t present a good target for our QB, can’t bring in a contested catch, and won’t catch 60% plus of the passes thrown to him, what’s to like about Zay ??? He certainly is not a # 3 WR. Time to try someone else, the results will likely not be worse. Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: He is the worst player in the nfl at any position. Prove me wrong. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Can someone please tell me what Zay did, or didn’t do, yesterday to call for the hate? I see people saying cut him immediately. I can’t remember a play with him where I thought he was the reason we sucked. The guy isn’t even out there that much. Overall, he hasn’t lived up to his draft status and physical traits, but I don’t see how yesterday was the deal breaker. What am I missing? There were two interceptions thrown to him where he showed zero initiative to fight the defender for the ball. They were bad throws, but an NFL receiver is supposed to know to come back and fight or those balls 100% of the time. Eric Wood was talking during the game about how Ryan Fitzpatrick would never throw to Zay again ater that yesterday. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 10 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: At some point, you have to wonder if Zay is as bad as so many of you hysterics say he is, why is he still out there every week for 75-80% of the offensive snaps? I mean, someone THAT terrible should be extremely easy to leapfrog on the depth chart, yes? Perhaps you all should start blaming the coaching staff a bit more. I think they are blaming the staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Previously unreleased footage of Zay's pre-draft interview 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: We're leaving Duke on the PS because of Foster. Only if you believe Zay should be ahead of Foster on the depth chart. 17 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: At some point, you have to wonder if Zay is as bad as so many of you hysterics say he is, why is he still out there every week for 75-80% of the offensive snaps? I mean, someone THAT terrible should be extremely easy to leapfrog on the depth chart, yes? Perhaps you all should start blaming the coaching staff a bit more. Zay has pictures, clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, Captain Caveman said: There were two interceptions thrown to him where he showed zero initiative to fight the defender for the ball. They were bad throws, but an NFL receiver is supposed to know to come back and fight or those balls 100% of the time. Eric Wood was talking during the game about how Ryan Fitzpatrick would never throw to Zay again ater that yesterday. And if Eric Wood notices this and speaks of it during the game, you know damn well every player on the Bills is thinking the same thing. Mr 38% catch percentage man has gotta be persona non grata on this team. Go Bills!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Prob because he sucks at nfl football. 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t hate the guy. He belongs on a nfl roster. But when you trade up for a guy in the 2nd and pass on JuJu and Cooper Kupp, it looks terrible to see how unproductive Zay is. He has no elite skills. He is a dime a dozen NFL receiver who was drafted by us because his college coach was on the Bills. Dont leave Godwin out ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 51 minutes ago, Dr Doom said: How many games has he cost us compared to how many games he has made a difference? I remember the Carolina game two years ago still to this day. Yesterday is just another example. Has he tried to jump through any windows yet this year? That Carolina "miss" was the result of Zay and the LB dropping into coverage clipping each other's feet while Zay was making his cut. Even the LB stumbled after their feet clipped. Yet the narrative by some here was that Zay "stumbled over his own feet". False. Zay's left foot and the LBs right foot clipped each other on Zay's cut, at the 19 yd line. That threw the timing and route off. Still remember it?! I've seen many great WR miss a pass due to feet getting tangled with a defender. He made a great effort to catch the ball. Just out of his hands. Also, making fun of mental illness is not funny. What are you, 8 yrs old!? Everyone has a family member with some sort of mental illness, yours included. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 If only someone alerted everyone to the limitations and weaknesses of Zay Jones back in February... ...if only 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Zay continues to prove game after game that he is mediocre at best. Sure, some of his drops are tough catches, but he regularly drops balls whether they are tough catches or routine catches. Good receivers make the tough catches. He does not do that. Completely unreliable. A sure sign of a bad receiver is when people start praising the fact that Zay caught a routine pass. That pretty much happens every time he does catch the ball... which is not often in the first place. Should he be cut? Maybe not now, but I wouldn't offer the dude a new contract. I would look to replace him on the depth chart with someone better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Dopey said: That Carolina "miss" was the result of Zay and the LB dropping into coverage clipping each other's feet while Zay was making his cut. Even the LB stumbled after their feet clipped. Yet the narrative by some here was that Zay "stumbled over his own feet". False. Zay's left foot and the LBs right foot clipped each other on Zay's cut, at the 19 yd line. That threw the timing and route off. Still remember it?! I've seen many great WR miss a pass due to feet getting tangled with a defender. He made a great effort to catch the ball. Just out of his hands. Also, making fun of mental illness is not funny. What are you, 8 yrs old!? Everyone has a family member with some sort of mental illness, yours included. Just now, Lurker said: What ya talking about Willis? Jones had regained his stride and was running free at the ten. He appears to panic and jump for the ball even though he didn't have to, making the catch attempt much more difficult than it had to be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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