Pats* release Antonio Brown

[EasternOHBillsFan]

59 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

All this negativity, look at the positive side:

 

He lasted almost twice as long in New England as Anthony Scaramucci lasted in Washington. 

 

And they both worked for dirty old men who cheat!

 

[formerlyofCtown]

29 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Agree 100%.  My guess is that Beane proposed a true, "show me," deal with no guaranteed money, but plenty of incentives.  Absolutely zero harm, there, IMO.

From what weve heard recently he may show something all right.

Edited September 21, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[Buffalo Boy]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Meh. It’s all how you manage it. If you have good leadership one would hope our young players might learn what not to be from that exposure if the player is a train wreck. If you have a young and volatile group without positive leaders it can go terrible for sure though 

So, would AB in this locker room in the first two weeks been good or bad?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

The benefit of dropping a time bomb into a young locker room like ours is a mistake that I don’t want to see.

The Pat situation is completely different 

Right now, the Bills are ‘The Mighty Ducks’.  The Pats* are the Charleston Chiefs in ‘Slap Shot’ - at least in terms of moral turpitude.  ?

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

 

 

I hear you, but it makes no sense to even inquire about a guy with a reputation of being toxic, if you weren’t somewhat interested. I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just stating that I was always confused by Beane having any interest in Brown whatsoever. 

Due diligence. 

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

At least 2 guys who went by the names "Beane" and "McDermott"

 

Clever and I do think they did kick the tires and then did a bunch of backtracking after.

 

 

 

 

 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

13 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I was so devastated that I started drinking a lot and became a huge Nickelback fan.  Those were some bad years...

@Royale with Cheese

Wait... in that order? Most people start listening to Nickleback, start drinking a lot, then get depressed that they listened to Nickleback. You, sir, inverted the process. Mind blown!

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

15 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

From what weve heard recently he may show something all right.

Why am I suddenly remembering the scene where Sheriff Bart rides into Rock Ridge?  “Excuse me while...”

[Cmdjr85]

If AB dosent send those messages the other night hes still on the team. 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

How's that 4D chess game going, Old Tuggy McKraft?

[Just Joshin']

I hope the Pats get stuck with the 9 million signing bonus.  A bit less cap room for them.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

I hope the Pats get stuck with the 9 million signing bonus.  A bit less cap room for them.

They should get stuck with it simply for being stupid 

[Chris66]

12 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

I hope the Pats get stuck with the 9 million signing bonus.  A bit less cap room for them.

Sounds like paper money spent. Not real dollars.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

And that looks like what they wanted to do.  But Brown wanted to get paid.

...stiff the SOB..........

[Rocket94]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

We do not just learn from our own mistakes but from others if we are smart.

I agree there is nothing wrong with kicking the tires but every GM has to know what is good for his team. 

The benefit of dropping a time bomb into a young locker room like ours is a mistake that I don’t want to see.

The Pat situation is completely different 

Yeah, the Pats are much more established and conditioned to handle such players. Its like they have a built in allowance system. 

[jkeerie]

8 minutes ago, Rocket94 said:

Yeah, the Pats are much more established and conditioned to handle such players. Its like they have a built in allowance system. 

The Pats also don't care.  They are all about winning...no matter what.   They were all in on AB (Kraft, Belicheck, Brady, the fans) until the story got too big and too bad.  They get no points for anything.

[formerlyofCtown]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

When the Brown trade didn’t happen there were dozens of conflicting articles regarding why he didn’t end up in Buffalo. Some of those articles stated that Rosenhaus wouldn’t even give the Bills Brown’s number because he knew Brown wouldn’t go there. In a phone call with Rosenhaus, Brown agreed that he had no interest in Buffalo. If this is the case, the financial aspect and whether or not Beane had dirt on Brown is irrelevant. Brown simply wasn’t coming here. Who knows what would have happened had he been willing to. Beane (who I do like as GM) now comes out smelling like a rose because of it. 

Unless Brown said that to save face.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

When the Brown trade didn’t happen there were dozens of conflicting articles regarding why he didn’t end up in Buffalo. Some of those articles stated that Rosenhaus wouldn’t even give the Bills Brown’s number because he knew Brown wouldn’t go there. In a phone call with Rosenhaus, Brown agreed that he had no interest in Buffalo. If this is the case, the financial aspect and whether or not Beane had dirt on Brown is irrelevant. Brown simply wasn’t coming here. Who knows what would have happened had he been willing to. Beane (who I do like as GM) now comes out smelling like a rose because of it. 

So...’no kick tires?!’  ?

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[Formerly Allan in MD]

Dan Snyder should go for him.  Anything for a splash - and then a crash.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I think AB is a unique case. 

 

 

...agree...even Dr Ruth said, "WTF"?...........

[muppy]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Makes for an inexpensive Christmas!

no to mention Halloween..I could see some funny Halloween costumes from this couldn't you? Put a sign on him "will work for food" ...LOL

Edited September 21, 2019 by Margarita

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Chris66 said:

Sounds like paper money spent. Not real dollars.

 

WTF do you think it is? Monopoly money? Cap space is the only real money teams worry about and the Pats might have flushed $9MM of theirs. Fact is Billy B really stepped in it. Fatal error? No. But he weakened his team.

[Doc]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

This might have something to do with it too. https://triblive.com/sports/audio-released-of-chat-between-antonio-brown-drew-rosenhaus-during-steelers-trade-talks/

 

A phone call that could have been recorded anywhere and at any time?  Color me unimpressed.

 

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

Ultimately, exactly what he signed in Oakland too

 

True.  But they're still out a 3rd and a 5th.

 

2 hours ago, WideNine said:

Clever and I do think they did kick the tires and then did a bunch of backtracking after.

 

Good analogy but bad analysis.  Kicking the tires and not doing anything more is fine and there's no need for backtracking.  Spending a lot to get the car knowing, or at least having a strong suspicion, that it's a lemon and will only die/quit on you is on you.

[Chris66]

7 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

WTF do you think it is? Monopoly money? Cap space is the only real money teams worry about and the Pats might have flushed $9MM of theirs. Fact is Billy B really stepped in it. Fatal error? No. But he weakened his team.

Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend.

[SirAndrew]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

A phone call that could have been recorded anywhere and at any time?  Color me unimpressed.

 

 

True.  But they're still out a 3rd and a 5th.

 

 

Good analogy but bad analysis.  Kicking the tires and not doing anything more is fine and there's no need for backtracking.  Spending a lot to get the car knowing, or at least having a strong suspicion, that it's a lemon and will only die/quit on you is on you.

I think this is just one case where I’ll have to agree to disagree with you. In my mind it’s completely plausible that Brown would have no interest in coming to Buffalo. He’s a diva who wanted a big market. All the money in the world wouldn’t have mattered imo. It’s not like he’s known for his wise decision making. 

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

I think this is just one case where I’ll have to agree to disagree with you. In my mind it’s completely plausible that Brown would have no interest in coming to Buffalo. He’s a diva who wanted a big market. All the money in the world wouldn’t have mattered imo. It’s not like he’s known for his wise decision making. 

 

The flaw in your argument is that he went to Oakland.  For big money.

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend.

If that's true the Steelers would've given Bell a fat contract.  Gordon would have a new contract with the Chargers.  Brady would be the highest paid QB in the league.  The Texans would've made Clowney the highest paid DE in the league.  I think you get my point.

[GoBills808]

***** the patriots 

[PromoTheRobot]

33 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend.

 

Riiiiiigghht.

Edited September 21, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Rocket94]

2 hours ago, jkeerie said:

The Pats also don't care.  They are all about winning...no matter what.   They were all in on AB (Kraft, Belicheck, Brady, the fans) until the story got too big and too bad.  They get no points for anything.

It is almost like, Welcome to the machine, this is what we do, this is how we do it, and this is what we want from. Your role is pre defined for you. As long as you honor your role, we dont care what you did in the past, but there is zero tolerance for it here. If you deviate from your role, we reserve the right to terminate you. Got it? Good now suit up!

Edited September 21, 2019 by Rocket94

[ColoradoBills]

34 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Nobody worries about cap space anymore. Its real money that owners look at. Heck Bills alone have more cap space than they cand spend.

 

You do realize real money spent is reflected and tracked thru the cap dollars.

If you truly believe what you just said you don't understand football finances.

[Chris66]

13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You do realize real money spent is reflected and tracked thru the cap dollars.

If you truly believe what you just said you don't understand football finances.

If your statement was true there would be no need for a floor which is actual dollars a team needs to spend. Which is different from the cap. Cap can be manipulated. Teams do it all the time. AB has a 5 million cap hit but only received $153,000

Edited September 21, 2019 by Chris66

[Rocky Landing]

5 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

If your statement was true there would be no need for a floor which is actual dollars a team needs to spend. Which is different from the cap. Cap can be manipulated. Teams do it all the time.

And why would teams worry about manipulating their cap space if it wasn't a concern? The bottom line is that cap space restricts the amount of assets a team can acquire. If you don't think that's a worry for teams that don't have a lot of cap space, manipulations notwithstanding, then ColoradoBills fan is right-- you don't understand football finances.

[ColoradoBills]

7 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

If your statement was true there would be no need for a floor which is actual dollars a team needs to spend. Which is different from the cap. Cap can be manipulated. Teams do it all the time. AB has a 5 million cap hit but only received $153,000

 

The cap dollars are a reflection of the contracts.  IF the Pats* cannot get the signing bonus of ABs off the books they will HAVE to pay

him the cash.  IF the Pats* had already paid him the bonus and got it back thru arbitration the cap dollars would get reimbursed.

 

All teams have the option of paying between the floor and the CAP (which is the maximum they can spend).

[Chris66]

Then answer this what is the bill cap number this year vs actual dollars spent

[SWATeam]

Guys, take it easy on him, he's still trying to figure out ideal gas law.

[Chris66]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The cap dollars are a reflection of the contracts.  IF the Pats* cannot get the signing bonus of ABs off the books they will HAVE to pay

him the cash.  IF the Pats* had already paid him the bonus and got it back thru arbitration the cap dollars would get reimbursed.

 

All teams have the option of paying between the floor and the CAP (which is the maximum they can spend).

See thats where your wrong. Pats have paid 153000 but not the 5 million but have dead cap of 5 which probably wont come off the books.. Only the nhl has a true cap.

[Mr. WEO]

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Beane probably looked into Brown's past himself.  Using contacts and such.  It's a large investment he would be making.

 

4 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Every team had interest.  Hell the Cheaters were willing to offer a 1st rounder.

 

 

I've never said otherwise.  But "right price" means taking over his existing contract, i.e. no new contract and no guaranteed money.

 

See above...

 

You can't both argue that Beane would have taken AB for the right price AND argue that the Bills "probably" knew about all of the stuff that has come out in the past 11 days.

 

In fact, your suggestion that their "contacts and such" could have produced info no other team had (and had, given it's AB, astonishingly evaded ALL forms of media to that point) is another whopper of a fabrication.

 

4 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Coaches and GMs have learning curves too.

I take this as s bullet dodged and hopefully a lesson learned by McBean

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with Beane having "kicked the tires" on a an AB price for signing.  It's his job to find the best talent for the right price.  It's amazing how some here STILL don't understand this.

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

See thats where your wrong. Pats have paid 153000 but not the 5 million but have dead cap of 5 which probably wont come off the books.. Only the nhl has a true cap.

 

ABs contract stated that the Pats* would pay him the 5 million on Monday.

IF they don't AB will "sue" for the money.  If he loses the 5 million will get wiped from the books.

 

You keep an eye on it.  It's they way the accounting works.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

WTF do you think it is? Monopoly money? Cap space is the only real money teams worry about and the Pats might have flushed $9MM of theirs. Fact is Billy B really stepped in it. Fatal error? No. But he weakened his team.

 

Now they will only win 13 games ??‍♂️