Kelly the Dog Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 It's not an easy question to answer. Brady is great at avoiding sacks but getting the ball out quick and stepping up or sideways. But he cannot get away from rushers quickly right in his face like Allen can. Rodgers and Ben, along with maybe Russell Wilson and Mahomes are all very good at it. But Allen eludes and breaks tackles and fakes out and outruns and sidesteps potential sacks as good as anyone, already. It happens all the time, even this year (although not nearly as often as last year). And he still holds the ball too long too many times, that is not what I am talking about. But the sheer number of tackles avoided he has that look like sure sacks is extremely impressive. He's also either one or two as far as running QBs, depending on what you think of Lamar Jackson, who doesn't even run much this year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 He is up there certainly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) No-there is no one better! Edited September 16, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 He reminds me of Pig Ben back in the day wen he had no line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 and then sometimes he just carries defenders until he decides to throw it away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 He's looking more and more like Big Ben, and less and less like Cam Newton. His stiff arm is great BTW. He had another one today, and his stiff arm on Miles Jack last year in the way to the end zone was epic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: No Would you care to educate us on who is above him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Russell Wilson comes to mind. Big Ben was pretty good in his prime but is now a statue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Right now he is Rodgers in his prime at escaping. The pass to Knox today was beautiful in the first half and the stutter step on the throw to Brown in the Fourth was an epic fake out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said: Right now he is Rodgers in his prime at escaping. The pass to Knox today was beautiful in the first half and the stutter step on the throw to Brown in the Fourth was an epic fake out. The stutter was ridiculous. I think he does it so effortlessly and quickly so often we get spoiled. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 He's Roethlisberger with wheels. What's not to like? I'm all in on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said: Would you care to educate us on who is above him? I meant he is the best! Read what the question asks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I would say Mahomes. But ya Allen is pretty damn good at it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) I'd add Drew Brees as a QB very good at avoiding a pass rush. But, yeah, Allen is pretty good Edited September 15, 2019 by Happy Gilmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 With each passing week and the kids trajectory it feels like pretty soon we will be asking with a straight face is there a better QB in the league? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: The stutter was ridiculous. I think he does it so effortlessly and quickly so often we get spoiled. Agreed. You get the sense Josh is learning and putting it together. When to run and when to avoid , reestablish the pocket and pass. There is not a down and distance this offense can’t make. When is the last time we felt that way? 92? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 He has still taken a few too many big hits these first two weeks. Not just running. Hope our OT play improves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said: Russell Wilson comes to mind. Big Ben was pretty good in his prime but is now a statue. He could be done with a bad elbow. That is what happened to Bradshaw. Great arm to noodle arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: I'd add Drew Brees as a QB very good at avoiding a pass rush Yeah, he's like Brady in a insane ability to slide a step or two to avoid guys. But if guys are right on Josh and about to tackle him he's incredible at not being tackled quite often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: With each passing week and the kids trajectory it feels like pretty soon we will be asking with a straight face is there a better QB in the league? That would be great, but Mahomes is King of the young bucks for the foreseeable future. Lamar, Josh and Baker are battling out for #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: He's also either one or two as far as running QBs, depending on what you think of Lamar Jackson, who doesn't even run much this year. Didn’t really have to run last week against the Miami practice squad, but he picked up a few yards today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bufflow4 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Well, he got a lot of practice last year. That stutter step was just ridiculous! Broken ankles. I laughed out loud after that play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 I don't know, but I do know that he's one of maybe 4 QBs in football that could've made the scramble-and-throw to Smoke for that 4th quarter 3rd down conversion. Unbelievable. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: That would be great, but Mahomes is King of the young bucks for the foreseeable future. Lamar, Josh and Baker are battling out for #2. True. But hopefully Josh can be to Mahomes what Brady was to Peyton early in their careers. 2 minutes ago, transient said: Didn’t really have to run last week against the Miami practice squad, but he picked up a few yards today... He finally had a good day on the ground I see. Allen put up those numbers 3 or 4 times last year. Edited September 15, 2019 by Sammy Watkins' Rib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 He's like a cross between John Elway and Steve Young. Except better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 When he realizes he's getting pressured, he's pretty damn good. He seems to find himself in too many situations though where he loses his pocket presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 >Is there a better QB in the league* no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Big C said: He has still taken a few too many big hits these first two weeks. Not just running. Hope our OT play improves. Agree, faced 2 pretty good D lines. I'd argue that jets is close to elite. But the O line didn't look great today, Allen took some shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, vincec said: He's like a cross between John Elway and Steve Young. Except better. I was thinking more like a cross between athletic Jesus and the baby new year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Josh throwing a couple amazing passes on the run today was a sight to behold. I think only Aaron Rodgers can do it that well with that much velocity. I was sure he’d break 300 yds today. That damn 3rd Qtr!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 1 minute ago, transient said: I was thinking more like a cross between athletic Jesus and the baby new year. I was thinking Thor, Mother Teresa, that one fireman and the Most Interesting Man in the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said: I meant he is the best! Read what the question asks. Misread, my bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 10 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I don't know, but I do know that he's one of maybe 4 QBs in football that could've made the scramble-and-throw to Smoke for that 4th quarter 3rd down conversion. Unbelievable. He threw that ball back across his body. This is why I have been saying he doesn't have to remove that throw from his arsenal. He just has to use it at the right time. The only way to learn is to make that throw at the wrong time and I think he got it out of his system. Great plays require great risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said: He threw that ball back across his body. This is why I have been saying he doesn't have to remove that throw from his arsenal. He just has to use it at the right time. The only way to learn is to make that throw at the wrong time and I think he got it out of his system. Great plays require great risks. Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, vincec said: He's like a cross between John Elway and Steve Young. Except better. One thing about Steve Young, I can't recall him ever making a bad running decision. When he ran, it was the right thing to do. Can't say that about many other QBs. Allen is starting to look a lot like that. If/When he can throw as accurately as Young, things will go to another level. But the level he's playing at right now, in his 2nd year, is pretty freaking good, IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawolv Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 That Lamar kid in Baltimore is pretty darn good. But the Josh stiff arm today was epic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: He reminds me of Pig Ben back in the day wen he had no line. Except Allen has near elite speed for the position whereas Ben was average in that regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 15, 2019 Author Share Posted September 15, 2019 Just now, The Dean said: One thing about Steve Young, I can't recall him ever making a bad running decision. When he ran, it was the right thing to do. Can't say that about many other QBs. Allen is starting to look a lot like that. If/When he can throw as accurately as Young, things will go to another level. But the level he's playing at right now, in his 2nd year, is pretty freaking good, IMO. Young is one of the most underrated great QBs in league history. He could do everything Montana could except he was a way better scrambler and runner and roll out guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 36 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Agree, faced 2 pretty good D lines. I'd argue that jets is close to elite. But the O line didn't look great today, Allen took some shots Giants D Line is terrible... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted September 15, 2019 Share Posted September 15, 2019 Josh Rosen, he just stays on the sideline where the pass-rushers tend to avoid. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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