9/15 Bills at Giants Postgame Thread

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, SWATeam said:

I think Murray has a rocket

Bottle rocket.

 

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

Wilson. Prescott if he’s on a heater.... Ben for his first 10 years. 

 

Thats about it 

Prescott cannot make that play IMO.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

 

 

Prescott cannot make that play IMO.

 

Dak benefits from probably the best OLine and the best RB in the league. Hard to tell what he really is as a QB with those advantages. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Augie said:

 

Dak benefits from probably the best OLine and the best RB in the league. Hard to tell what he really is as a QB with those advantages. 

Yep. I don't think he is even all that good. Pretty good, maybe middle of the pack.

[Rad Likes The Bills]

21 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

My son and I spent a lot of time talking about that one in the moment. It was special and shows Josh’s ceiling, the reason they drafted him. I don’t know where his floor is, but his ceiling is ridiculous! 

That’s what makes Josh do special to me. We have no idea what his ceiling is...he keeps playing like this they are going to move the Sistine Chapel to Buffalo 

[JaCrispy]

49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Allen was certainly money, today, when throwing on the run...very impressive.

[Stank_Nasty]

18 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yep. I don't think he is even all that good. Pretty good, maybe middle of the pack.

Regardless of what’s around him, he’s made some extremely athletic plays.... but I honestly don’t care enough to take it much further than this.

 

just glad we have one that can do it 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

We had 10 offensive plays in the 3rd qtr, 7 of the plays were pass attempts.  Is your problem that we didn't run the ball enough in the 3rd?

Why?

 

I didn't have a problem with what the Bills did I was just pointing out that they seemed to down shift the offense in the 3rd quarter and this was by design.  I also believe that it will come back to bite them in the ass at some point.  But over the course of an entire season this type of strategy, given how good the defense is, will probably lead to more wins then losses. 

 

And even though they were still throwing the ball they seemed to do it more out of 2 TE sets with a FB and it didn't seem like they were using their whole playbook.  And as others have pointed out the Bills O got sloppy in the 3rd quarter with a dropped pass and a couple of false start penalties.  But I'm fine with this while at the same time I was frustrated by it as well.  

 

Like I posted earlier - my heart says keep the pedal to the metal while my head says the Bills managed the game in the right way.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[PromoTheRobot]

5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Here's my deal:

 

I've watched this team for going on 30 years now. 17 of that was in utter futility.

 

This team has shown me several key things that I haven't seen in those 17 years:

 

1) The ability to close out wins.

2) The ability to come back from mistakes

3) ACTUAL ***** QUARTERBACKING

 

Do people like you (nitpickers) have the ability to see the forest for the God-foresaken trees?

 

 

I don't know. I'm very concerned the Bills didn't score a TD on every drive. Might have to clean house.

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I didn't have a problem with what the Bills did I was just pointing out that they seemed to down shift the offense in the 3rd quarter and this was by design.  I also believe that it will come back to bite them in the ass at some point.  But over the course of an entire season this type of strategy, given how good the defense is, will probably lead to more wins then losses. 

 

And even though they were still throwing the ball they seemed to do it more out of 2 TE sets with a FB and it didn't seem like they were using their whole playbook.  And as others have pointed out the Bills O got sloppy in the 3rd quarter with a dropped pass and a couple of false start penalties.  But I'm fine with this while at the same time I was frustrated by it as well.  

 

Like I posted earlier - my heart says keep the pedal to the metal while my head says the Bills managed the game in the right way.

 

 

 

They didn't shift anything down. It was penalties and pressure on Allen. 

[JaCrispy]

You know what I think is truly amazing about what we are witnessing with Josh Allen? The biggest knock on this organization has always been that they never developed a QB in their entire history...well, watching one of the rawest QB’s to ever come out of college develop the way he has, is a thing of beauty- and should be an inspiration to the rest of the league...Because all the odds were stacked against Allen, based on the numbers.

 

I’m not saying he has arrived yet, because he still has a ways to go...but Allen has certainly surpassed where most analysts thought he could go...and that, in itself, is very gratifying, because he is only going to get better.

 

Enjoy the ride, Bills fans! ?

[DuckyBoys]

2 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

You know what I think is truly amazing about what we are witnessing with Josh Allen? The biggest knock on this organization has always been that they never developed a QB in their entire history...well, watching one of the rawest QB’s to ever come out of college develop the way he has, is a thing of beauty- and should be an inspiration to the rest of the league...Because all the odds were stacked against Allen, based on the numbers.

 

I’m not saying he has arrived yet, because he still has a ways to go...but Allen has certainly surpassed where most analysts thought he could go...and that, in itself, is very gratifying, because he is only going to get better.

 

Enjoy the ride, Bills fans! ?

Think the credit goes to Allen for working on his flaws and being able to keep his chin up.  Bills didn't exactly set him up to succeed last year. Somehow he got through last year and ended it on a upward trajectory.  Seems to be on a good track and hopefully we will see him get better at the mental part of being a qb.  Physically there is no doubt he can be a elite qb

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

the Giants board was impressed that Josh Allen kicked their butts with "expansion team" receivers

[FLFan]

5 hours ago, mrags said:

Do you have anything bad to say at all? Like just because they won they were perfect in every aspect? 

 

Seriously, they won another game. A road game. Great. They found a way to do it today. 

 

But there is no denying they were invisible on offense in the entire 3rd Q. If that’s coaching, play calls, execution, etc. it’s a cause for concern. The way they played, they allowed the Giants with an open door to walk right through it and get back into the game. They didn’t. Great. But let’s not think we were perfect today. If we want to compete and beat teams like the Chiefs, Patriots, or Saints, we need to do better and be more consistent. 

If your standard is perfection perhaps you should readjust your expectations.  No team is perfect.  It is about winning, and the outcome of this game was never is doubt after the first quarter.  Room for improvement? Sure.  Believe it or not, every team can say the same thing.  

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

the Giants board was impressed that Josh Allen kicked their butts with "expansion team" receivers

 

Even when healthy/not suspended, the Giants have Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate.   I’m not sure that’s much, if at all, better than John Brown and Cole Beasley. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

15 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

the Giants board was impressed that Josh Allen kicked their butts with "expansion team" receivers

Beasley has been beating them for years!

[JESSEFEFFER]

4 hours ago, MOVALLEYRANDY said:

Could someone tell the NFL network that the Bills and Giants played today ? See the Pats and Steelers 3-4 times now and no highlights from our game. Guess the wrong team won

I was channel surfing but managed to catch those same highlights multiple times.  I thought it was random bad timing.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

How about Bojo? Hit some big punts and no major mistakes. Maybe the threat of being cut lit a fire under him!!

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

This is slightly better than last week, but after reading Vic’s take on JA last week (parroting national media of JA being woefully inaccurate, etc.), he has lost all credibility as a pundit, to me. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, FLFan said:

If your standard is perfection perhaps you should readjust your expectations.  No team is perfect.  It is about winning, and the outcome of this game was never is doubt after the first quarter.  Room for improvement? Sure.  Believe it or not, every team can say the same thing.  

I never said I expect perfection. My entire argument was that people with rose colored glasses in refuse to say anything was wrong with today. Just because we got the win doesn’t mean things don’t need to be worked on. They absolutely do. Even McDermott admitted to that in his presser. 

 

If you watched this game and didn’t think after that 3rd Q, and the Giants getting working 7, we didn’t need to have a good drive to ensure we didn’t lose, then I’m sorry you haven’t been around long enough to see things unravel so quickly that we could have lost this game. 

[JohninMinn.]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Allen was certainly money, today, when throwing on the run...very impressive.

2 weeks ago that was called a hero throw. I say bs Josh is a playmaka?

[PromoTheRobot]

15 minutes ago, mrags said:

I never said I expect perfection. My entire argument was that people with rose colored glasses in refuse to say anything was wrong with today. Just because we got the win doesn’t mean things don’t need to be worked on. They absolutely do. Even McDermott admitted to that in his presser. 

 

If you watched this game and didn’t think after that 3rd Q, and the Giants getting working 7, we didn’t need to have a good drive to ensure we didn’t lose, then I’m sorry you haven’t been around long enough to see things unravel so quickly that we could have lost this game. 

 

That's the issue. You look for what's wrong. We scored 28 points, didn't we? You know what the point average for an NFL team in a game? 24.2 points.  So the Bills were above average today. Yes, yes. They didn't score in the 3Q. What team scores every possession? (Teams playing the Dolphins don't count.)

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

That's the issue. You look for what's wrong. We scored 28 points, didn't we? You know what the point average for an NFL team in a game? 24.2 points.  So the Bills were above average today. Yes, yes. They didn't score in the 3Q. What team scores every possession? (Teams playing the Dolphins don't count.)

I actually don’t look fir what’s wrong. I watch football and I am either pleased with success, or not pleased with failure. It’s as simple as that. I’m glad we won. But I’m not going to sit here and drink the kool-aid and say that because we won, there aren’t things that need to be fixed. Again, even McDermott admitted in his presser that things need to be addressed. 

 

Im not here to say they need to be perfect, or score on every single drive. I know that is not even reasonable to think that. But I don’t expect them to be dominant for the first 2 quarters (and they were pretty darn close to dominant) and then come out completely flat in the entire 3rd quarter. I don’t remember exactly, but it was 3 or 4 drives that were just absolutely miserable. 

 

Again, we won. Great. Now let’s work on it so that we don’t have flat spots in the games. Because if we were playing the Pats, or Chiefs, or even a team like Dallas, they all would have taken advantage of our lackluster 3rd Quarter. The fact is, and most people here will tell you, that the Giants and Eli aren’t good. Well, at one point, fairly late in the game, we only had a lead of 7 points. 

 

I dont want to just win games. I want to be a good team. I want to be a legit playoff team. Not a team that backs into wins. And I’m not saying we did that last week or today. I’m simply saying, if we want to be good and competitive with the best teams in the league, we can’t have entire quarters where we are completely missing. 

 

Enjoy the win. And have a good night. I know I am. 

[eball]

I think everyone needs to remember that the first two weeks of the season — maybe the first three or four — are about finding your identity and trying different things. The fact that this almost completely new offense has produced SIX 70+ yard TD drives in two weeks is outstanding. Josh missed a few today but every QB does. I was pleased that the Bills did not go conservative in the 3rd (as noted in another thread); they just failed to execute.  Holding two opponents to <17 points on the road is winning football. 
 

This 2-0 start certainly has a different feel to it than the last two times we saw it (2011 and 2014).  Five of six at home coming up. I’m holding my breath about Motor. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I didn't have a problem with what the Bills did I was just pointing out that they seemed to down shift the offense in the 3rd quarter and this was by design.  I also believe that it will come back to bite them in the ass at some point.  But over the course of an entire season this type of strategy, given how good the defense is, will probably lead to more wins then losses. 

 

And even though they were still throwing the ball they seemed to do it more out of 2 TE sets with a FB and it didn't seem like they were using their whole playbook.  And as others have pointed out the Bills O got sloppy in the 3rd quarter with a dropped pass and a couple of false start penalties.  But I'm fine with this while at the same time I was frustrated by it as well.  

 

Like I posted earlier - my heart says keep the pedal to the metal while my head says the Bills managed the game in the right way.

 

I agree with your "keep your foot on their throat" philosophy.

 

I have a notion...and it's only my notion, and I could be completely wrong....that Daboll has plans within plans within plans.  I think he is running some plays now because he wants them on film so DC's will see and defenses will be saying "it's that deep route to McKensie, cover that sucka!" only this time McKensie is gonna be a distraction for Brown.  I thought last season that sometimes Daboll was designing plays that were too complex and confused us more than the opponent (though maybe that was Castillo as run coordinator.  One can hope.)   I also think that once we had a lead, he went more vanilla because he wants to limit what he puts on film.

 

Anyway, it's something the best OCs do actually, set up future opponents with what they're running and how they run it weeks earlier.  But at this point with a young QB and offense that needs to gel, we're sort of borderline in skill level to be able to do that, and we really need some of Daboll's wrinkles for the offense to work effectively.  So it shuts us down when he goes all vanilla or puts in plays where we aren't using the most effective option as the 1st or 2nd read because he wants it on film that way.

 

Just my speculation.

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with your "keep your foot on their throat" philosophy.

 

I have a notion...and it's only my notion, and I could be completely wrong....that Daboll has plans within plans within plans.  I think he is running some plays now because he wants them on film so DC's will see and defenses will be saying "it's that deep route to McKensie, cover that sucka!" only this time McKensie is gonna be a distraction for Brown.  I thought last season that sometimes Daboll was designing plays that were too complex and confused us more than the opponent (though maybe that was Castillo as run coordinator.  One can hope.)   I also think that once we had a lead, he went more vanilla because he wants to limit what he puts on film.

 

Anyway, it's something the best OCs do actually, set up future opponents with what they're running and how they run it weeks earlier.  But at this point with a young QB and offense that needs to gel, we're sort of borderline in skill level to be able to do that, and we really need some of Daboll's wrinkles for the offense to work effectively.  So it shuts us down when he goes all vanilla or puts in plays where we aren't using the most effective option as the 1st or 2nd read because he wants it on film that way.

 

Just my speculation.

 

Could be something to that, but if Knox doesn’t drop that bullet and/or Josh connects with Zay on the quick slant, we’re probably not worried about the 3rd Quarter.  

 

We may very well have gone more vanilla, but the execution is what held us back.   

[YoloinOhio]

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I agree with your "keep your foot on their throat" philosophy.

 

I have a notion...and it's only my notion, and I could be completely wrong....that Daboll has plans within plans within plans.  I think he is running some plays now because he wants them on film so DC's will see and defenses will be saying "it's that deep route to McKensie, cover that sucka!" only this time McKensie is gonna be a distraction for Brown.  I thought last season that sometimes Daboll was designing plays that were too complex and confused us more than the opponent (though maybe that was Castillo as run coordinator.  One can hope.)   I also think that once we had a lead, he went more vanilla because he wants to limit what he puts on film.

 

Anyway, it's something the best OCs do actually, set up future opponents with what they're running and how they run it weeks earlier.  But at this point with a young QB and offense that needs to gel, we're sort of borderline in skill level to be able to do that, and we really need some of Daboll's wrinkles for the offense to work effectively.  So it shuts us down when he goes all vanilla or puts in plays where we aren't using the most effective option as the 1st or 2nd read because he wants it on film that way.

 

Just my speculation.

Yeah he sprung that big pitch to Singletary with same McKenzie sweep motion from a couple drives back, he’s definitely setting plays up

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah he sprung that big pitch to Singletary with same McKenzie sweep motion from a couple drives back, he’s definitely setting plays up

Realistically that's his job

 

We have had sooo many inept offensive coordinators who let the defense dictate their game plan

 

Daboll looks to be setting the pace so far. He is making defenses react to his offense which is great

Edited September 16, 2019 by Buffalo716

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I love some Bills players are giving autographs.

[BobbyC81]

13 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Overall... Excellent!

 

Blown tire in Q3, when back to the deadly conservative side. 

 

TWO road Ws to start, regardless of opposition. When did that last happen?

 

They said on the postgame that the Bills never had.

[ALF]

Relieved  that the punter is doing ok after all.

[DCbillsfan]

14 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Josh is playing solid. 

 

With th his arm though I’d like to see a deep ball or two a game.... we’ve yet to see a deep ball.

He over threw Brown on a deep ball in the first half

[YoloinOhio]

He got a little testy when asked about giving up 7 catches to John Brown 

Edited September 16, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Stank_Nasty]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Another OG of the pre-analytic era loving our QB as the next gen nerds are gnashing their teeth. 

Edited September 16, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[ROCBillsBeliever]

14 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Several posters are MIA after this win. We all know who they are.

 

Come on, @Happy Days, you know that ittakestime for ScottLaw to crawl out from under the troll bridge... 

[Golden*Wheels]

I legit missed a f'ing plane this morning. I am blaming the Bills win and bourbon.

 

As opposed to my idiotic inability to read a clock.