Antonio Brown called Mike Mayock a “cracker” during Wednesday’s altercation

[badassgixxer05]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Am I alone in that I wouldn’t even be a little offended if someone called me a “cracker” or “honkey” or any other racist term for white people? You could say about 213,000 other things that my sensitive @$$ would be bothered more by. 

Sticks and stones. No words should bother anyone. They are just words. I let them go in one ear and out the other. Ask my wife! ?

[SJDK]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Of course it's racist, but what I think many folks are saying is that the term doesn't carry with it the weight of a few hundred years of tangible discrimination, and so it's not generally viewed as being that bad (rightly or wrongly).

I understand that thought process and I’m sympathetic of the evils committed. I also feel that it’s logically hypocritical and that’s why it’s also wrong and should carry the same weight. We can’t allow racism one way and not the other. If that’s the case then we have to rewrite the dictionary.

[White Linen]

Why do non blacks have to type N word, yet cracker gets spelled out in full?

Edited September 6, 2019 by White Linen

[thebandit27]

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

It's the equivalent of skinny-shaming a supermodel.

 

I actually don't think it's quite as bad, because IMO people that get thin-shamed or fit-shamed or anything similar are typically being attacked over something that they worked hard to accomplish, and that's actually pretty cruel in its own right.

 

Calling a white dude a cracker, well, hey, I was born this way.

 

But you're right that the response to both is generally "yeah, and?"

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, SJDK said:

I understand that thought process and I’m sympathetic of the evils committed. I also feel that it’s logically hypocritical and that’s why it’s also wrong and should carry the same weight. We can’t allow racism one way and not the other. If that’s the case then we have to rewrite the dictionary.

 

Sure, discrimination in all forms should be discouraged and chastised.

 

I think it's going to be a long time before "cracker" makes its way to anywhere near the top of the list (and for quite understandable reasons)

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

Why do non blacks have to type N word, yet cracker gets spelled out in full?

C-word is already taken?

[Returntoglory]

1 minute ago, White Linen said:

Why do non blacks have to type N word, yet cracker gets spelled out in full?

How do you know my ethnic background?

[SJDK]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Sure, discrimination in all forms should be discouraged and chastised.

 

I think it's going to be a long time before "cracker" makes its way to anywhere near the top of the list (and for quite understandable reasons)

I agree with what you said. From an ethical standpoint it is not understandable however.

[metzelaars_lives]

1 hour ago, mykidsdad said:

He will be a Patriot by year's end and win a superbowl. Isn't that how this usually works? 

Correct.  Only he won’t even put up big numbers there, he’ll just be ok.  But he’ll definitely behave himself.  That’s, more specifically, how it works.

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

C-word is already taken?

Yeah, it stands for c*nt

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Am I alone in that I wouldn’t even be a little offended if someone called me a “cracker” or “honkey” or any other racist term for white people? You could say about 213,000 other things that my sensitive @$$ would be bothered more by. 

It wouldn't bother me at all, and in fact, I'm pretty sure I would laugh or at least smile.

 

But that is because I know I'm not a racist and so the term has no meaning when thrown my way.

 

 

[Mrbojanglezs]

this thread is really close to de-railing 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

18 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I agree in that it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but I think the point here is that it is MEANT to cause a lot of offense. And the problem for the Raiders is that if they let him get away with it you know there will be people screaming double standards. Just imagine if a Ravens player had called Newsome any derogatory name for blacks. Even if Brown were to say "I don't think all white people are crackers" all you have to do is spin it around to the hypothetical Ravens player saying "I don't think all blacks are..." to see that that argument wouldn't stop said player getting crucified.

 

It's a tough one because as I say, it doesn't offend me at all (and how many black people would say n*****r doesn't offend them?) and white people in America haven't had the same history as black people, but I do dislike hypocrisy and if something like that gets swept away then it sort of shines a light on that. It also makes rednecks think "well there you go, I can say what want because blah blah blah" and they'll constantly use this as an argument whenever they want to point out a double standard.

 

I hate knee jerk reactions to things, but if you're preaching ALL racism is wrong then you have to punish him exactly as you would a white guy who called his black GM the N word Though I can't think of any examples where that might have happened. The only thing I can think of is the Eagles receiver who got caught on tape being racially abusive, and as far as I can recall he didn't lose his job so maybe an apology will do

 

(I'd be more than okay with that personally, so long as he agreed to stop acting like a dick)

No doubt that he intended it to be hurtful. That’s ind of my original point though, it’s not hurtful. It would have cut much deeper if he said something like, “so that’s why your wife called me last night.” Not saying that’s happening, just that there are WAY better ways to hurt a white person than by calling them a cracker. 

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Sure, discrimination in all forms should be discouraged and chastised.

 

I think it's going to be a long time before "cracker" makes its way to anywhere near the top of the list (and for quite understandable reasons)

 

But the issue is still the racist intent. N- word can be used without racist intent (as evidence by the black communities that use it as a term of endearment- not that I understand that). Brown likely meant cracker as a slur, thus its offensive and just as bad as any other slur.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, H2o said:

Yeah, it stands for c*nt

Yup. Cant is a terrible word. People should never ever say it.

[Gugny]

12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Of course it's racist, but what I think many folks are saying is that the term doesn't carry with it the weight of a few hundred years of tangible discrimination, and so it's not generally viewed as being that bad (rightly or wrongly).

 

Hey .... you're that white dude, right?

[ddaryl]

7 minutes ago, White Linen said:

Why do non blacks have to type N word, yet cracker gets spelled out in full?

 

 

its a B word ass ***** ***** ***** thing

[RobbRiddick]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

No doubt that he intended it to be hurtful. That’s ind of my original point though, it’s not hurtful. It would have cut much deeper if he said something like, “so that’s why your wife called me last night.” Not saying that’s happening, just that there are WAY better ways to hurt a white person than by calling them a cracker. 

Depends who the white is I guess. Me and you wouldn't be offended but Maycock might have been (he's probably more offended at being threatened with violence)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

This thread is a disease.

 

[H2o]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Yup. Cant is a terrible word. People should never ever say it.

My gf always says "she is such a C-word" and I say "you mean a c*nt?" She says "you know I don't use that word, but yes." 

 

See, it even blocks it out on here when you try to type the whole thing. 

Edited September 6, 2019 by H2o

[UncaGup]

18 minutes ago, SJDK said:

 

So are you saying that it’s racist one way but not the other? What exactly makes this terrible? Do you believe people should be treated equally?

 

People should be treated fairly. That's different from equally.

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, H2o said:

Yeah, it stands for c*nt

can't is a bad word?

[Kelly the Dog]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

But the issue is still the racist intent. N- word can be used without racist intent (as evidence by the black communities that use it as a term of endearment- not that I understand that). Brown likely meant cracker as a slur, thus its offensive and just as bad as any other slur.

No. All slurs are not remotely the same. You cannot offend or disrespect or demean a Norwegian anywhere near how much you can offend, disrespect or demean a black American.

[LB3]

50 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said:

 

Dude, those are delicious. Haven't had them in a minute but I will now seek them out again.

I haven't had them in forever either. I'm literally stopping at the store on my way home from work tonight to get them now.

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

....at this point and Brown’s agent Drew Rosenhaus has said his client wants to repair the relationship with the team.”

 

 

I suppose Rosenhaus should send AB the bucket-size, not the gallon jug... 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Am I alone in that I wouldn’t even be a little offended if someone called me a “cracker” or “honkey” or any other racist term for white people? You could say about 213,000 other things that my sensitive @$$ would be bothered more by. 

 

Prolly not, just as some black folks aren't particularly offended by the "n-word", though as always context matters........

 

The point remains, neither are good words to throw around if you want to build a good relationship with an organization or the key people in it........

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s kind of what I’m getting at. If you called me fat, bald, ugly, dumb, etc... it would hurt a lot more. I’m much, much, much more sensitive about that kind of stuff than I would be “cracker.” 

OK, you're fat, bald, ugly and dumb. But, you got character. Character goes a long way.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/06/antonio-brown-called-mike-mayock-a-cracker-on-wednesday/

 

 

“More details about the Wednesday conversation between Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown and General Manager Mike Mayock have come to light, including language used by Brown that escalated the situation ahead of Thursday’s reports of a possible suspension.

The conversation came after Brown posted a letter from Mayock informing him of fines for missing practice time on social media and PFT has learned, via a league source, that Mayock told Brown that the team preferred to keep such matters private. Brown then began hurling insults at Mayock that included calling him a “cracker.”

 

Previous reports also indicated that Brown threatened to punch Mayock in the face during the exchange. Josina Anderson of ESPN also reports that Brown used the word cracker and other “cuss words” during the exchange, but quotes a team source as saying that the altercation never appeared to be spilling from verbal to physical.

“[Mayock] was like, ‘I’m cool, I understand your displeasure,'” the source said. “[Mayock] sort of just like . . . just walked away because he saw it escalate.”

Word on Thursday was that the Raiders were planning to suspend Brown, but nothing has been announced at this point and Brown’s agent Drew Rosenhaus has said his client wants to repair the relationship with the team.”

 

 

cut him, guy is not worth the headache.

 

 

[Nextmanup]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

cut him, guy is not worth the headache.

 

 

That's a fair appraisal of the situation.

But obviously Mayock and Gruden were always ready to take a calculated gamble on him and don't see it that way.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

Imagine the backlash if Mayock had said  anything even insinuating it was about race, let alone a racial slur. He'd never work again, and would probably have to leave the country. Why is "cracker" ok?

 

That word doesn't affend me or anybody I know, but we all know what happens when a white person says anything regarding race in today's society.

 

It's not

[Phils n Bills]

Could you imagine the uproar if the roles were reversed and mayock was the one who used the slur and language of the like? 

[whatdrought]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

No. All slurs are not remotely the same. You cannot offend or disrespect or demean a Norwegian anywhere near how much you can offend, disrespect or demean a black American.

 

So explain to me why the n word can be used by black people directed to other black people without offense? The word itself isn’t offensive. 

 

Here’s why I know you’re wrong:

 

How someone is offended is not dependent on what is said. Someone can insult me in a way that offends me deeply, but wouldn’t offend you. The words themselves are just words. The intent, and the context are what makes them offensive, and that offense is dictated by the interpretation of the one being insulted. 

 

If my wife calls me an idiot, I get hurt. If DCTom calls me an idiot, I take pride in it. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

 

Also, was it "cracker" or "cracka"...?

 

There's a difference

 

I think

 

Depends on your level of vocabulary, it might not be natural for Brown to say cracker.

 

 

 

 

[offyourocker]

Just now, Phils n Bills said:

Could you imagine the uproar if the roles were reversed and mayock was the one who used the slur and language of the like? 

 

It would be on the news for 6-8 weeks and Mayock would already have been fired.  And I am glad I just double checked the spelling of Mayock

[Beast]

Cracker is fine.

 

Cracker ass B word is stepping over the line.

 

Since AB didn’t step over the line, all is well.

[buffalostu2]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

I don't think you're alone.

 

Yes, the fact is that it's a racial slur.

 

The other fact is that the context around it isn't nearly as impactful as the context around other racial slurs.

I thought the league did automatic suspensions for racial type slurs?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

this thread is really close to de-railing 

 

close

 

soon

 

 

then

 

 

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Phils n Bills said:

Could you imagine the uproar if the roles were reversed and mayock was the one who used the slur and language of the like? 

A lot of people would argue that would be somewhat different, b/c Mayock is the one with power in the relationship and his race has not been historically discriminated against in the way African Americans have.

 

But that whole conversation is not for this thread.

 

 

 

 

[May Day 10]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That would certainly be the case (although Riley Cooper got by) and it’s a double standard. The reality is the history and context that created that is so much more vile than the history and context of cracker. Racist/homophobic/anti-semetic slurs do not carry equal weight (or even close). The background defines their ugliness.

 

I guess being a player and possessing the skills really helps too. Not only the race.