Pro Football Network: Bills one of teams in on Clowney trade

[BarleyNY]

Just now, NoSaint said:

Your words were you wouldn’t because you weren’t sold on Allen yet. So I responded about our window being open regardless of Allen, despite your worry he needs to be proven as the guy first 

 

No, that was only part of my thinking.  My original post is on page 9.  Please refer to that. I’ve repeated much of what I wrote several times since.  Sorry you missed it all, but that’s my most completely stated opinion if you care to read it. 

[YoloinOhio]

14 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

That's fair but we don't know the cost.

The article says likely McCoy and a mid round pick from the Bills. Also that Miami also is interested in bernardrick McKinney and Houston wants Tunsil 

 

could be two trades 

Edited August 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[TheyCallMeAndy]

3 minutes ago, McBean said:

McCoy, Zay, and a 4th.

 

If Beane pulls that off, he deserves a statue outside the stadium.

If Bills did this trade, you can bet Lawson is involved 

[26TrapDraw]

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

This was yesterday , Lombardi said he'd be gone in 24-48 hrs and they want a WR... Interesting

So Long Foster we hardly knew ye. And See ya later 3rd rounder

Edited August 25, 2019 by BeefCurtns

[Rochesterfan]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Hes 26 now.

2020 is 27

2021 is 28

2022 is 29

2023 is 30

2024 is 31

2025 is 32 if they give him a 6 year deal at the close of this year. Jerry Hughes is 31 and we are counting on him.

 

Id hope the dolphins front office is betting on being good again in the front half of that

 

 

Depends on what year they are drafting a QB.  The talk earlier in the off season by the dolphins reporters was to expect this to be a 2 year slide targeting Lawerence in 2021 and acquiring picks to set that up.

 

if you get Lawerence in 2021 - you are talking 2022/2023 before that QB is most likely ready to shine.  

 

If they suck and get Hebert or Tua this year - not sure they are in a better place than with Rosen.

 

We will have to see - it just seems they are willing to (and already have) ripped it to the studs and the piece to build it back up is still unknown.

 

It is a risk for them, but I get it - just not sure it fits in a workable time frame to be logical.

[wppete]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

But not a 4? ?

 

Sure give them a 4th instead  ?..... just make it happen. That dline would be scary! 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The article says likely McCoy and a mid round pick from the Bills. Also that Miami also is interested in bernardrick McKinney and Houston wants Tunsil 

 

could be two trades 

That's an easy yes

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

That's an easy yes

McCoy and a 3rd seems light to me, but then again, that franchise tag is a big deal and they want him traded. Many teams couldn’t even carry that cap # right now.

Edited August 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Mike in Horseheads]

They want a WR dump Zay or Bob Foster on them. I still don't seeing the bills adding big bucks to the roster but hey I'm a O's fan too lol

[NoSaint]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The article says likely McCoy and a mid round pick from the Bills. Also that Miami also is interested in bernardrick McKinney and Houston wants Tunsil 

 

could be two trades 

 

I swear if we get a 26 year old 3 time pro bowl pass rusher in exchange for a 31 year old back in the final year of his deal and a mid round pick... and this place isn’t ecstatically celebrating...

 

count me all aboard shady and even a 2 yet alone more toward middle rounds and anyone not is crazy

[Chandler#81]

Been away this afternoon. Is there anything from the Bills saying anything? All I’m seeing are tweets from yesterday.

 

just asking.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

2 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

I am having flashbacks of Mario Williams we all wanted him here so bad and I don't think he really did much hope we don't end up in the same situation

 

Mario Williams didn't do much for us?

 

2012- 10.5 sacks, 4 passes defensed, 2 FF

2013- 13 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 FF

2014- 14.5 sacks, 2 passes defensed, 2 FF

2015- 5 sacks, he finally broke down here

 

43 sacks in 4 seasons, 9 passes defensed, 5 FF isn't doing much?

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Been away this afternoon. Is there anything from the Bills saying anything? All I’m seeing are tweets from yesterday.

 

just asking.

Not from the Bills. The media talked to McDermott this afternoon but no Clowney questions

 

the report from PFN is from today 

Edited August 25, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[wppete]

Who in the F is Pro Football Network anyway???? Never heard of them. Not pro football focus. 

[Coach Tuesday]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Not from the Bills. The media talked to McDermott this afternoon but no Clowney questions

Wawrow said upthread it likely ain’t happening.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Zay, Yeldon, Yarbrough and a 2020 4th. Lets Sills V make the team

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Wawrow said upthread it likely ain’t happening.

Let's hope so.  BTW, Your comment will get lost in a sea of speculation here.

 

Folks love to discuss this sort of thing.

 

 

[Rocket94]

20 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...how or why does this guy become expendable?....money?...injuries?...attitude?.....or ????..anybody have some insight or is this a personal O'Brien vendetta?......

I believe it boils down to money. The Texans may not be able to justify paying both Clowney and Watt anymore because the formula is not really working...someone has to go!

Edited August 25, 2019 by Rocket94

[Logic]

53 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

 

They have LOADS of cap room and literally have no one to pay. 

 

WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE?

There are a few potential downsides:

1.) Clowney may not want to re-sign here long term. Due to the contract language of the tender he will be signing, the Bills can't work out a new deal with him until AFTER the season. That's a big risk to take with a guy that you're also going to have to give up draft or roster assets for. People say "well obviously they wouldn't do it if Clowney says he won't stick around". But in that instance, you'd be taking the guy at his word. There would be nothing legally binding him to your team past this season.

2.) It's true, the Bills DO have lots of cap room and no one to pay yet. But they WILL have people to pay in the coming years. They have said repeatedly that they want to draft, develop, and retain their own players. Guys like White, Edmunds, Milano, Oliver, Wallace, etc. The Bills are in no hurry to get themselves back on the path to cap jail. Handing out a top-three-in-the-league defensive contract to a guy they didn't draft and who hasn't always been a paragon of good health and dependability is one potential way to start back down that path. This brings us to item three:

3.) Clowney has a history of injuries. He has had five surgeries in the past five years:


2018: knee surgery, lower back injury
2017: knee surgery
2016: elbow sprain
2015: ankle sprain, lower back injury, lisfranc sprain
2014: knee surgery, microfracture surgery, sports hernia surgery

I'm not going to be unhappy if they trade for Clowney. I'd welcome it. I DO think he could be a transformative force for Buffalo's defense IF he can stay on the field. But to pretend that the move doesn't carry some risks and potential downsides is silly. I'm genuinely 50/50 on the move. If it happens, great, I'm sure Beane will have done his homework. If it doesn't happen, no skin off my back, and I'll be happy to see the Bills pay their OWN quality players in the coming years. I also happen to believe Wawrow and others who have stated there's nothing to this rumor.

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Been away this afternoon. Is there anything from the Bills saying anything? All I’m seeing are tweets from yesterday.

 

just asking.

 

What would you expect from the bills today?

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Wawrow said upthread it likely ain’t happening.

 

With respect to Wawrow the Bills are airtight with their leaks right now. No one knew they were in on Antonio Brown and no one reported they were in on Mack except for a couple of reputable people on this board. The local beat reporters will only hear something when the team is officially reporting it. Ongoing discussions are kept secret. We didn't even know Kroft broke his foot until the day after it happened and McDermott was giving his usual practice press conference.

[whatdrought]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Wawrow said upthread it likely ain’t happening.

 

Is the so-named poster on this board actually Wawrow? That seems both unlikely, and hard to prove... not saying it’s not, just wondering if I missed something. 

[Rocket94]

21 minutes ago, purple haze said:

What do you know about him to say that?  

Thats right, we don't really know him. From afar, Clowney may like what he sees in the young Bills defense, and he could easily envision himself as a vital part in it...who knows?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, Rocket94 said:

I believe it boils down to money. The Texans may not be able to justify paying both Clowney and Watt anymore because the formula is not really working. 

....ok...but when you have two alleged formidable forces that better your team, don't you look for ways internally to make it happen for the team's good?.....don't teams continually restructure to make the necessary pieces fit?.....

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Mario Williams didn't do much for us?

 

2012- 10.5 sacks, 4 passes defensed, 2 FF

2013- 13 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 FF

2014- 14.5 sacks, 2 passes defensed, 2 FF

2015- 5 sacks, he finally broke down here

 

43 sacks in 4 seasons, 9 passes defensed, 5 FF isn't doing much?

 

Mario was outstanding for 3 years here. 

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Is the so-named poster on this board actually Wawrow? That seems both unlikely, and hard to prove... not saying it’s not, just wondering if I missed something. 

it is and everyone knows it is...

[GG]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Is the so-named poster on this board actually Wawrow? That seems both unlikely, and hard to prove... not saying it’s not, just wondering if I missed something. 

I think the real jw would have a big issue with somebody impersonating him on a public forum.   

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

With respect to Wawrow the Bills are airtight with their leaks right now. No one knew they were in on Antonio Brown and no one reported they were in on Mack except for a couple of reputable people on this board. The local beat reporters will only hear something when the team is officially reporting it. Ongoing discussions are kept secret. We didn't even know Kroft broke his foot until the day after it happened and McDermott was giving his usual practice press conference.

 

jw, who is excellent btw, doesn't have the agents and I feel that is where some of the chatter comes from. Agents can be sketchy AF in trying to move the world for their clients and love to be "sources"

[whatdrought]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

it is and everyone knows it is...

 

Why does everyone know it is? I’m not trying to detract from it, just super curious.

 

Just now, GG said:

I think the real jw would have a big issue with somebody impersonating him on a public forum.   

 

So we have tangible reason to believe it is?

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

With respect to Wawrow the Bills are airtight with their leaks right now. No one knew they were in on Antonio Brown and no one reported they were in on Mack except for a couple of reputable people on this board. The local beat reporters will only hear something when the team is officially reporting it. Ongoing discussions are kept secret. We didn't even know Kroft broke his foot until the day after it happened and McDermott was giving his usual practice press conference.

I believe the leaks are coming from the Texans and dolphins 

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Why does everyone know it is? I’m not trying to detract from it, just super curious.

 

 

So we have tangible reason to believe it is?

 

Yes.

 

 The mods most certainly would've banned that account years ago if it weren't him 

[Rocket94]

5 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....ok...but when you have two alleged formidable forces that better your team, don't you look for ways internally to make it happen for the team's good?.....don't teams continually restructure to make the necessary pieces fit?.....

I don't know, If I had to guess, I would say the Texans have weighed their chances of winning with both players...they have already attempted it and that ship sailed. Cut their losses and move on. Now other areas of the team are in need.

Edited August 25, 2019 by Rocket94

[GG]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

Why does everyone know it is? I’m not trying to detract from it, just super curious.

 

 

So we have tangible reason to believe it is?

Some people on this site know the real jw.  Plus, SDS wouldn't tolerate an imposter.  

 

Anyhoo, who else would be such a sycophant for The Replacements?

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

Why does everyone know it is? I’m not trying to detract from it, just super curious.

 

 

So we have tangible reason to believe it is?

 

Wasn't trying to be an ass in my response. It is relatively easy to tell, when you post his twitter "leaks"/ news he is right on in explaining as much as he can from behind the scenes or providing a bit more information. The writing style, snark, music choices that I don't usually agree with, etc. clearly indicate it is indeed him. I get one post here and there, but when you have been here for a few years and see his take on topics OTW and stuff in TSW, it is apparent

[whatdrought]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Yes.

 

 The mods most certainly would've banned that account years ago if it weren't him 

 

That is a good point- But is that the only reason to believe so? I’m sorry, I’m still blaking on the idea that a legit beat reporter trolls this message board... 

[Bockeye]

43 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Are you sure there’s a window?

Yes - see teams with smothering defense and average offense, they have won their share of SB’s.  We could wait until we have the greatest show on turf but I’m not holding my breath. I think our O will be at least average to above average this year (with an above average run game). 

[JMF2006]

15 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Mario Williams didn't do much for us?

 

2012- 10.5 sacks, 4 passes defensed, 2 FF

2013- 13 sacks, 3 passes defensed, 1 FF

2014- 14.5 sacks, 2 passes defensed, 2 FF

2015- 5 sacks, he finally broke down here

 

43 sacks in 4 seasons, 9 passes defensed, 5 FF isn't doing much?

 

He didn't break down Wrex stole his soul

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, GG said:

Anyhoo, who else would be such a sycophant for The Replacements?

Exactly! Unless they are indeed a member of The Replacements who happen to be a Bills fan

[Foxx]

28 minutes ago, Logic said:

There are a few potential downsides:

1.) Clowney may not want to re-sign here long term. Due to the contract language of the tender he will be signing, the Bills can't work out a new deal with him until AFTER the season. That's a big risk to take with a guy that you're also going to have to give up draft or roster assets for. People say "well obviously they wouldn't do it if Clowney says he won't stick around". But in that instance, you'd be taking the guy at his word. There would be nothing legally binding him to your team past this season. ...

Clowney holds all the cards here. he is only going to sign his tender, when he negotiates where he is going to go. if he negotiates his way here, there is every reason to think that he would re-up with us. i understand that things happen and it is possible that something might happen that would cause him not to resign with us, however the original intent is all one can ask for with the standing of what is allowable with his situation. there is also the franchise tag option. while not desirable, it is a tool available to the team that trades for him.

 

for this reason, i think there would be a draft pick involved that is contingent on him resigning with whatever team he negotiates with. 

Edited August 25, 2019 by Foxx

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, whatdrought said:

 

That is a good point- But is that the only reason to believe so? I’m sorry, I’m still blaking on the idea that a legit beat reporter trolls this message board... 

Tim Graham used to post on here...