Shaw66 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I haven't seen the games, so I know less than most. Beasley, Brown and Roberts seem like the only locks. We saw very little of Jones and Foster recently. McKenzie, Ray Ray and Williams each has had some highlights. Of those 5, some may useful special teamers. Some may have modest trade value. Jones and Foster have the best experience. Is it a total muddle? And for that matter, the running back spots are confused, too, principally because Wade keeps making big plays. Does he actually have a shot at the 53? Will he take Yeldon's spot? Does Yeldon actually HAVE a spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 I look st it and say the team has 2 qb 9 OL 13 WR/TE/RB 1 Returner on D 8 DL 6 LB 1 OLB/DE 10 DB 3 ST..k, p, ls for recrivers 4 RB 5 WR 3 TE 1 returner (WR) 1 best player left i don’t see the bed to keep a FB. Use a TE in this role. 1 bext left 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 18, 2019 Author Share Posted August 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, djp14150 said: I look st it and say the team has 2 qb 9 OL 13 WR/TE/RB 1 Returner on D 8 DL 6 LB 1 OLB/DE 10 DB 3 ST..k, p, ls for recrivers 4 RB 5 WR 3 TE 1 returner (WR) 1 best player left i don’t see the bed to keep a FB. Use a TE in this role. 1 bext left Nice rundown. So on your numbers it's Roberts and five wide receivers. That means Wade, if he is even a possibility, is fighting a receiver for a spot. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Taking 6. And after week two this is what I am thinking Brown Jones Foster Beasley Roberts so comes down to size or shiftiness Williams - Size McCloud - Shiftiness Also could very well keep and Extra WR to start season depending on Kroft Kroft - PUP Knox Sweeney so do you cut Lee Smith for an extra WR spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Taking 6. And after week two this is what I am thinking Brown Jones Foster Beasley Roberts so comes down to size or shiftiness Williams - Size McCloud - Shiftiness Also could very well keep and Extra WR to start season depending on Kroft Kroft - PUP Knox Sweeney so do you cut Lee Smith for an extra WR spot? Personally I have McKenzie ahead of both Duke and Ray Ray. Of the 3 Ray appears 3rd in line for me after Duke and McKenzie. My guess is we keep 6 WR Brown Beasley Zay Foster Roberts McKenzie Edited August 18, 2019 by DJB 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Yeldon is toast. I sure hope they keep Wade on the 53. I think there is a reasonably good chance (50/50) Gore is cut or McCoy is traded or possibly cut. Where exactly has John Brown been? I believe he has two targets and 1 catch in two pre-season games with a goose egg in the last game. I'm sure his spot is safe, but he has seen very little action. I didn't think it was possible at first but I just don't see the value in keeping Zay Jones. He's being consistently outplayed or at least matched by guys drafted much lower than him. If he were not a high draft pick it wouldn't even be a debate about whether he would be cut or not. Maybe they try work a trade for him as it is likely another team could see value in him still and think they can get more out of him. Maybe Washington or the New York Giants? Send Washington Zay and a 2nd rounder for Trent Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. 11 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, DJB said: Personally I have McKenzie ahead of both Duke and Ray Ray. Of the 3 Ray appears 3rd in line for me after Duke and McKenzie. My guess is we keep 6 WR Brown Beasley Zay Foster Roberts McKenzie I agree with everything here, but I think Duke is making a strong push for that final WR spot. I think McCloud is 3rd for that final spot. McKenzie can play special teams, so I think that ultimately gives him the edge over Duke. 2 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. Yes. You are crazy. Maybe if you said you wanted Duke over McKenzie you would be less crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. I was actually thinking the same thing. Duke's hands are looking good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. I'm completely over Zay at this point. Don't care who it is, but someone should be over him. I'm thinking Zay has to have trade value still though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. I'd at least like to see him with the 1s to see if he can make those catches against legit competition. I'd like to see McKenzie get some starting time too. Allen and Zay don't have any kind of consistent rapport so there's no harm in trying other combinations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) For all the haters on our leading WR the past two seasons, would't it be even more sensible to question Foster at this point? What's he done this preseason/camp? If you go back and watch Allen's highlights from 2018, you will see a string of great Zay Jones plays in there - they aren't giving up on him any time soon. Edited August 18, 2019 by BobChalmers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I'd at least like to see him with the 1s to see if he can make those catches against legit competition. I'd like to see McKenzie get some starting time too. Allen and Zay don't have any kind of consistent rapport so there's no harm in trying other combinations. I agree I would like to see Duke get some time with the 1s this week. Now or never 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. we have not seen enough of that yet. if the team thinks Duke deserves a stronger look I expect to see him get some 1's time this Friday They might keep duke over Foster who has not stepped up at all this preseason / camp. I don't see them letting Zay go. Edited August 18, 2019 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, BobChalmers said: For all the haters on our leading WR the past two seasons, would't it be even more sensible to question Foster at this point? What's he done this preseason/camp? Fair point. But Foster has at least played at a high level in the league for a six or seven game stretch. I'm not sure Zay has even put together a solid 4 game stretch. And he has had two full years to try to put together a good stretch of games. Plus, Foster's seems to really only have one other player on the roster that does what he does, John Brown. Brown goes down with an injury then we have nobody. Zay does similar things as Beasley, McKenzie and McCloud. He has more competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Is Duke PS eligible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Logic Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I'm completely over Zay at this point. Don't care who it is, but someone should be over him. I'm thinking Zay has to have trade value still though. I'm not really sure why the Bills would want to trade away their leader in touchdown receptions from last year for a late round pick. Seems like bad business. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Is Duke PS eligible? I don't see why not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Logic said: I'm not really sure why the Bills would want to trade away their leader in touchdown receptions from last year for a late round pick. Seems like bad business. But did he dominate in TD receptions? Who's to say Brown, Beasely, any of the three young WR's we could keep or the new TE wouldn't put in 7 or 8 TD's if they were targeted as much as Zay? And Zay had a very low catch rate when thrown too. For whatever reason it just doesn't seem like things work out well when we target Zay a ton. I mean look at Beasely the other night. The guy hasn't even been here for one full camp and he catches everything Allen throws at him. It feels like both Zay and the Bills need a mutual divorce at this point. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Yeldon is toast. I sure hope they keep Wade on the 53. I think there is a reasonably good chance (50/50) Gore is cut or McCoy is traded or possibly cut. Where exactly has John Brown been? I believe he has two targets and 1 catch in two pre-season games with a goose egg in the last game. I'm sure his spot is safe, but he has seen very little action. I didn't think it was possible at first but I just don't see the value in keeping Zay Jones. He's being consistently outplayed or at least matched by guys drafted much lower than him. If he were not a high draft pick it wouldn't even be a debate about whether he would be cut or not. Maybe they try work a trade for him as it is likely another team could see value in him still and think they can get more out of him. Maybe Washington or the New York Giants? Send Washington Zay and a 2nd rounder for Trent Williams? Brown did not dress last game, hence the "goose egg". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Just now, Just Joshin' said: Brown did not dress last game, hence the "goose egg". Does he have an injury or veteran rest day? I'm just curious about Brown. Not having access to the practices, I haven't really seen him contribute and don't know what kind of connection him and Allen will have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Am I crazy for wanting Duke on the team over Zay? Duke looks like he has way better hands for contested catches over the middle. Nope, I'm in the same boat as you. IMO right now I think Duke just brings more to the table. If he keeps playing like he has been it will bring some tough decisions for coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I'm completely over Zay at this point. Don't care who it is, but someone should be over him. I'm thinking Zay has to have trade value still though. Jones is not a go to player. When Allen does go to him.He drops it. Except late in garbage time against the pats***. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, djp14150 said: i don’t see the bed to keep a FB. Use a TE in this role. 1 bext left I disagree. I understand this is not a popular thought, but I believe DiMarco is in at fullback. Short yardage situations and getting seven in the red zone are critical. Shady's two yard TD run against Carolina was not an exciting highlight, because it looked so routine. Shady got to the end zone (I believe) untouched. If you look at when he crossed, you'll see DiMarco sealing the right side of the hole, taking out a linebacker. That's the difference between 7 and 3. Not sexy, just winning football. Edited August 18, 2019 by RochesterLifer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Does he have an injury or veteran rest day? I'm just curious about Brown. Not having access to the practices, I haven't really seen him contribute and don't know what kind of connection him and Allen will have. He had a vet day off. He’s been more than fine with Allen all summer. 5 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said: I disagree. I understand this is not a popular thought, but I believe DiMarco is in at fullback. Short yardage situations and getting seven in the red zone are critical. Shady's two yard TD run against Carolina was not an exciting highlight, because it looked so routine. Shady got to the end zone (I believe) untouched. If you look at when he crossed, you'll see DiMarco sealing the right side of the hole, taking out a linebacker. That's the difference between 7 and 3. Not sexy, just winning football. If we keep Dimarco over Wade, Gore, McClpud, McKenzie, Williams, Yarborough, and a half a dozen others... I will vomit Edited August 18, 2019 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, DJB said: Personally I have McKenzie ahead of both Duke and Ray Ray. Of the 3 Ray appears 3rd in line for me after Duke and McKenzie. My guess is we keep 6 WR Brown Beasley Zay Foster Roberts McKenzie I agree with this list and is how I see it. McKenzie has a lot of flexibility. He can back up Roberts in the return game. He can run the jet sweep and makes plays in the passing game. The only reason to not keep him is maybe if you question his durability. Duke is buried on the depth chart which I think shows you what the staff thinks. Duke and and ray ray could be practice squad. I could see a trade trade of zay a possibility. Edited August 18, 2019 by mattynh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, mrags said: If we keep Dimarco over Wade, Gore, McClpud, McKenzie, Williams, Yarborough, and a half a dozen others... I will vomit Well then, eat lots of wings. Dry heaves are the worst. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 With Tyree Jackson on the field it is impossible to judge any WR playing in the 2nd half,something needs to change here 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, RochesterLifer said: Well then, eat lots of wings. Dry heaves are the worst. Ok guy. I’ll come by your place to order them extra sauce later. Make sure you shake them enough for me. Last time they were barely covered in sauce. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Brown is the only WR on the team with half an argument to be considered at "#1", but hes more of a Peerless Price type or maybe Lee Evans, good but not truly great, can be shut down. He's obviously safe. Beasley is going to have a field day working the soft middle of the field. Jones hasn't shown *****. I was a huge fan of the pick, he's been a general bust in comparison to his draft position... might be time to consider moving on. Ray ray and Mckenzie are very similar, I see more production from McKenzie, I'd keep him. Duke Williams offers crazy physical attributes and looks to have hands, I dont know why we haven't seen him against better competitors nor heard anything about him from camp. I reserve judgement, but I'd like to see him get some starting reps. Foster, where ya been?! Has #1 measurables, put some numbers up late last year, but it could all be a fluke, watch for him to be traded if he's on the bubble, somebody will take a flyer on him. I'd keep him over Zay just purely out of showing promise in real action last year. Sills.. sorry, maybe PS Roberts is in, return ability can't be ignored and he can do a little work at WR. As of today, if it were my call, you keep Brown Beasley Roberts Foster After that, I'm evaluating Mckenzie (who is automatically in if Roberts weren't here) McCloud, Jones, Williams for 2 spots. Based on what I have seen, today thise spots would go to McKenzie and I'd take Williams, trade Zay. McCloud would be cut, he'll probably get a shot somewhere. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: With Tyree Jackson on the field it is impossible to judge any WR playing in the 2nd half,something needs to change here Interesting point.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 (edited) Duke was coveted by a lot of teams before he came here. I doubt he makes the PS, given he was dunking on people in the Panthers game. I think we have to keep him. Even if it’s just a fade guy in the end zone, he has attributes our other WRs don’t have. Foster id keep, A) for his potential and B) we need the deep threat to maximize Allen’s arm. Depth behind Brown at the very least. I go with 7, or keep Duke over McKenzie... and I like McKenzie a lot. Brown/Foster Beasley/Zay/Duke Zay/Duke/Roberts Edited August 18, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, HOUSE said: With Tyree Jackson on the field it is impossible to judge any WR playing in the 2nd half,something needs to change here Could you imagine being a 7-8 receiver with your hopes and dreams resting on performing with Tyree? Man, that's gotta be tough. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, BobChalmers said: For all the haters on our leading WR the past two seasons, would't it be even more sensible to question Foster at this point? What's he done this preseason/camp? If you go back and watch Allen's highlights from 2018, you will see a string of great Zay Jones plays in there - they aren't giving up on him any time soon. Hes pretty good vs Miami Looks like trash vs everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Looks like some of you may get your wish.. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/players/zay_jones_trade_rumors_gaining_traction 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The last guys at those position groups have to play special teams to make the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 The level of hate that Zay Jones gets among Bills fans is UNREAL. It truly boggles the mind. Anyway, that having been said.... I believe the six receiver spots are all but set: Brown Beasley Jones Foster Roberts McKenzie This staff loves versatility. The fact that McKenzie can return punts and kicks in a pinch while also backing up Beasley in the slot and being a useful gadget player will get him a roster spot. Well, those things and the fact that he has balled out the past couple preseason games. It's hard for me to imagine a Duke Williams or a Ray Ray McCloud making a big enough late-preseason roster push to kick McKenzie off the squad. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Taking 6. And after week two this is what I am thinking Brown Jones Foster Beasley Roberts so comes down to size or shiftiness Williams - Size McCloud - Shiftiness Also could very well keep and Extra WR to start season depending on Kroft Kroft - PUP Knox Sweeney so do you cut Lee Smith for an extra WR spot? Lee Smith has 4.5 mil guaranteed. So I hope not. i think it’s simply the fight for 6 and those two have the best tracks. Then throw one on the practice squad. Though I’m not sure any are that helpful there or hard to replace. i think my squad likely carries depth at safety, lb, corner, dL, TE, OL and rarely WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, HOUSE said: With Tyree Jackson on the field it is impossible to judge any WR playing in the 2nd half,something needs to change here I believe a change already occurred. Barkley played quite a bit at QB in the Panthers game. McKenzie and Williams played a fair amount with Barkley. IIRC McCloud played some as well with Barkley. I believe it's down to McKenzie and Williams for WR 6. The top 5 are Brown, Beasley, Foster, Roberts, and Jones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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