YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I would hate to play against Matthew Stafford twice a year. I like him. I think he's underrated, personally. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Thank goodness that trade did not get legs. I can’t imagine the Lions were serious about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Wo-Bah said: I would hate to play against Matthew Stafford twice a year. I like him. I think he's underrated, personally. Nothing against Stafford, but he’s never beaten the Bills so I would play him every week if I could! Ok we’ve only played him twice but still 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) The Lions would have owed either $46.5 million or $53 million in dead money on their cap for Stafford, so I don’t think this got very far. Had the Fins made a rational offer to consume the majority of the cap, Detroit might have thought about it. Tannehill wasn't a rock star (and he didn't totally suck) but I too believe the (also) the non-rock star Stafford to be good and better than RT. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Nothing against Stafford, but he’s never beaten the Bills so I would play him every week if I could! Ok we’ve only played him twice but still interesting take Yolo.... I'd have taken Stafford over Orton and Tyrod any day of the week Edited March 26, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Wo-Bah said: I would hate to play against Matthew Stafford twice a year. I like him. I think he's underrated, personally. He is Tannehill with a much stronger arm or a more likable Jay Cutler. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: Oh Armando. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 LOL! I can just imagine the Dols working-out this elaborate trade proposal for days to weeks for Stafford, only to call up the Lions and hear them say "we can't trade him because of the cap hit" click. And Stafford is a QB who racks up a ton of yards but they never get the team anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He is Tannehill with a much stronger arm or a more likable Jay Cutler. Pretty much. He just doesn't raise the level of the team. I wouldn't be surprised if a light came on as he reached his mid-30's but when you have that much talent and you still have a losing record as a QB after 10 years you probably aren't a franchise altering player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He is Tannehill with a much stronger arm or a more likable Jay Cutler. I don't think that Stafford has ever been the real problem in Detroit. Like the Bills, the Lions' FO can't seem to "put it all together" very often. Stafford is significantly better than either Tannehill or Cutler, just not nearly as good as Luck or Brady. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 And all I can say is thank goodness the Dols chose Daunte Culpepper over Brees back in 2006! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: LOL! I can just imagine the Dols working-out this elaborate trade proposal for days to weeks for Stafford, only to call up the Lions and hear them say "we can't trade him because of the cap hit" click. And Stafford is a QB who racks up a ton of yards but they never get the team anywhere. In fairness, he never has a good running game. But I agree. MS has a cannon and great attitude but I always watch him and leave underwhelmed. this would have been awesome for us if the Fins did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He is Tannehill with a much stronger arm or a more likable Jay Cutler. To me he is the definition of an average franchise QB. Given the spectrum of where a franchise QB can land from good to bad he is that mid point. He certainly can put up numbers, his body is prototypical for what'd you want, and with a well round org you can probably win some playoff games. But overtime I less and less have viewed him as elite or someone I fear. You can build with him for a decade which you want but you will need a solid foundation around to truly have success. Detroit rarely has given him that and he hasn't shown that ability to carry a team completely solo. Kinda like Drew Bledsoe back in the day just a worst roster and coaching staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoTier said: I don't think that Stafford has ever been the real problem in Detroit. Like the Bills, the Lions' FO can't seem to "put it all together" very often. Stafford is significantly better than either Tannehill or Cutler, just not nearly as good as Luck or Brady. I agree for the most part. He also had the best receiver in the nfl and has a terrible record against teams above .500 (team stat but still). its also interesting that Ebron was a bust in Detroit but became a pro bowler with Luck. Just now, corta765 said: To me he is the definition of an average franchise QB. Given the spectrum of where a franchise QB can land from good to bad he is that mid point. He certainly can put up numbers, his body is prototypical for what'd you want, and with a well round org you can probably win some playoff games. But overtime I less and less have viewed him as elite or someone I fear. You can build with him for a decade which you want but you will need a solid foundation around to truly have success. Detroit rarely has given him that and he hasn't shown that ability to carry a team completely solo. Kinda like Drew Bledsoe back in the day just a worst roster and coaching staff. Yup. And while you certainly can do much worse than Stafford, I hope Allen is either a bigger star than Stafford or a bust because you are kinda trapped paying MS that kinda of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup. And while you certainly can do much worse than Stafford, I hope Allen is either a bigger star than Stafford or a bust because you are kinda trapped paying MS that kinda of money. Right. Like he has 3 playoff appearances and helped take an 0-16 Lions team back to competitive most years which is a credit to him. But in 2013 and another time or two they could've won the division/made playoffs and instead choked when they were sitting in 1st place. I will defend him in the fact never once has Detroit IMO really spent on D the way the Jags did for years to build a true force. But yea he is that crappy middle ground of being not great but good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, Doc said: And all I can say is thank goodness the Dols chose Daunte Culpepper over Brees back in 2006! While I hear you, the saints have been good at building a team around him too. I’ve not seeen any evidence that’s something Miami would have done as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: The Lions would have owed either $46.5 million or $53 million in dead money on their cap for Stafford, so I don’t think this got very far. Had the Fins made a rational offer to consume the majority of the cap, Detroit might have thought about it. Tannehill wasn't a rock star (and he didn't totally suck) but I too believe the (also) the non-rock star Stafford to be good and better than RT. interesting take Yolo.... I'd have taken Stafford over Orton and Tyrod any day of the week High bar there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: High bar there! Since Tyrod got his starting opportunity in 2015, the Bills have had as many Playoff games as the Lions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) "...Gase would have offered at minimum Miami’s 2018 first-round pick and probably more." AND Detroit gets to be quarterback-less while being stuck in cap jail. Friends with Gase or not if I were Matt I would have been belly laughing as I was hanging up the phone. EDIT: I don't love Stafford as much as some do around here, but he is still the QB you build your team around for the next 5 years if you are Detroit. Edited March 26, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Miami: “happy to take Stafford off of your hands, thoughts ?” Detriot: “can you hold while we discuss” hysterical sustained laughter about trading plus abysmal cap situation Detroit: “hey we’re back. Deal, we’ll take a first rounder for each time you’ve tried and failed to replace Marino over he past 18 years....lololol... yes we absolutely are counting Chad Henne”.... “click” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 So they signed Fitzpatrick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Should Arizona draft Murray, Rosen could be acquired by the Dolphins. I would like to have a 2018 draft QB rivalry in the AFCE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 This is just not feasible. The Deadcap hit on the Lions of 49 million would have been 22.5 million more than his cap hit of 26.5 million. And Detroit barely had cap space last year. Likely Fake News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Wo-Bah said: I would hate to play against Matthew Stafford twice a year. I like him. I think he's underrated, personally. Underrated? He's had his team in 3 playoff games (all WC losses). He hasn't run a top 10 offense in the past 4 years. He had one monster year--over 5000 yards and 41 TDs. He followed that up with essentially another 5000 yards.....but only 20 TDs and 17 INTs. He's thrown for over 30 TDs only twice in his career (that's with Megatron). When healthy, Tannehill was putting up current Stafford numbers. Some "blockbuster" that would have been. Fins are better off with Fitzy. Edited March 26, 2019 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: High bar there! Should I have said a low bar with those 2? Tannehill has beaten the Patriots way more than the Bills have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: While I hear you, the saints have been good at building a team around him too. I’ve not seeen any evidence that’s something Miami would have done as well Getting the QB is the hardest part. He was right there for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Nothing against Stafford, but he’s never beaten the Bills so I would play him every week if I could! Ok we’ve only played him twice but still Exactly, he blows. I think the Dolphins should still try to make the trade, throw in a couple #1’s please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Miami: “happy to take Stafford off of your hands, thoughts ?” Detriot: “can you hold while we discuss” hysterical sustained laughter about trading plus abysmal cap situation Detroit: “hey we’re back. Deal, we’ll take a first rounder for each time you’ve tried and failed to replace Marino over he past 18 years....lololol... yes we absolutely are counting Chad Henne”.... “click” lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 15 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: He is Tannehill with a much stronger arm or a more likable Jay Cutler. I think he is much better than Tannehill. Tannehill properly sucks. I cannot for the life of me work out why a team has stuck with him for 8 or 9 years or whatever the Dolphins have given him. Cutler I do see the comparison in that like Cutler, Stafford has a huge talent. He is just anti-clutch. Then again I don't think the Lions have been a very well put together team at almost any point of his tenure there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Stafford is a decent QB. He was somehow better when Calvin Johnson played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Miami: “happy to take Stafford off of your hands, thoughts ?” Detriot: “can you hold while we discuss” hysterical sustained laughter about trading plus abysmal cap situation Detroit: “hey we’re back. Deal, we’ll take a first rounder for each time you’ve tried and failed to replace Marino over he past 18 years....lololol... yes we absolutely are counting Chad Henne”.... “click” You neglected to post the scene in the Dolphin War Room after the call ended: Miami exec. #1: “Sorry, Coach Gase, it’s ‘no’.” Gase: “YARRRGGGHHHH!” Miami exec. #2: “Look out! Either his head will fall off, or his eyes will pop out of his head!” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: You neglected to post the scene in the Dolphin War Room after the call ended: Miami exec. #1: “Sorry, Coach Gase, it’s ‘no’.” Gase: “YARRRGGGHHHH!” Miami exec. #2: “Look out! Either his head will fall off, or his eyes will pop out of his head!” And not too long after this: "Hey Peyton Manning, it's me Adam..." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: And not too long after this: "Hey Peyton Manning, it's me Adam..." "Sorry who? Are you the advertising guy from Papa Johns?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, Doc said: LOL! I can just imagine the Dols working-out this elaborate trade proposal for days to weeks for Stafford, only to call up the Lions and hear them say "we can't trade him because of the cap hit" click. And Stafford is a QB who racks up a ton of yards but they never get the team anywhere. Agree on both points. Seems like it would be about a 10 second call with 8 seconds being hi and goodbye. Shows how poorly run the fins are if they thought Detroit would take such a large hit. Stafford is a QB who puts up good numbers and has a good share of comebacks but can not carry a team by himself. If the Lions can build around him, then it may work. But he will not carry/will them to playoff success. Edited March 27, 2019 by Just Joshin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 22 hours ago, Wo-Bah said: I would hate to play against Matthew Stafford twice a year. I like him. I think he's underrated, personally. I totally agree. The dude is putting up HOF numbers year in and year out. I think he's top 5 in the league right now. I actually feel bad for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gugny said: I totally agree. The dude is putting up HOF numbers year in and year out. I think he's top 5 in the league right now. I actually feel bad for him. He is really not a great QB. Im not sure why people think he is. His yardage numbers are wild but how can you be a great QB, have what some consider the best WR of all time for a majority if your career and consistently be on mediocre teams. Anyone who thinks Stafford is a good QB, I challenge you to make him your sole starter in fantasy. When you follow him week to week he is infuriating. All the arm talent in the world. but thats about it. I would have loved if the Phins traded for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rad Likes The Bills Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 stafford blows - signed disgruntled 4th place fantasy owner who started him week in and week out the past two years... Stafford is not clutch, still makes questionable throws, and had the greatest WR of this generation and couldn't make it out of the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Agree on both points. Seems like it would be about a 10 second call with 8 seconds being hi and goodbye. Shows how poorly run the fins are if they thought Detroit would take such a large hit. Stafford is a QB who puts up good numbers and has a good share of comebacks but can not carry a team by himself. If the Lions can build around him, then it may work. But he will not carry/will them to playoff success. Yeah, it could be more a factor of the Lions' ineptitude so I'd rather not see him on the Dols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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